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WEDNESDAY, AUG 27, 2008  |  12 comments
Anglican priest cracks Charles Wesley code
An Anglican priest has finally cracked the code Methodist co-founder Charles Wesley used when writing about sensitive matters in his diary some 250 years ago.

Over 1,000 handwritten pages dating from 1736 to 1756 have been deciphered by the Rev Professor Kenneth Newport, pro vice-chancellor for research and academic development at Liverpool Hope University.

The transcribed pages reveal the extent of Charles’ anger with his brother, fellow Methodist founder John Wesley, over the latter’s plans to marry and disagreements over a split from the Church of England. ...


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JP | illinois  Find all comments by JP
Malcolm Turner wrote:
Nothing ever suprises me about the Wesleys. Both were decievers of the highest calibre. The Wesleys were not Christians but were agents of satan sent to cause chaos amongst the true church.
Sounds like you didn't get enough attention when you were growing up.
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News Item8/30/08 8:36 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Malcolm Turner wrote:
Nothing ever suprises me about the Wesleys. Both were decievers of the highest calibre. THE WESLEYS WERE NOT CHRISTIANS but were agents of satan sent to cause chaos amongst the true church. [emphasis added]
"agents of satan" ... Puhleeeeze!

It seems as though EVERY Christian is NOT a Christian by some other "Christian's" calculation.

[Mark 9:38-41 NKJV]
Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us." But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."

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News Item8/30/08 7:04 AM
Malcolm Turner | Darlington, UK  Contact via emailFind all comments by Malcolm Turner
Nothing ever suprises me about the Wesleys. Both were decievers of the highest calibre. The Wesleys were not Christians but were agents of satan sent to cause chaos amongst the true church.
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News Item8/29/08 11:19 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
hidemi, not all browsers allow direct insertion of smilies or "emoticons". But that's not a problem if one knows the ASCII equivalents; SA webpages recognize some & render them as graphics.

Example: colon rightparenthesis gives you

While classic smilies include a hyphen, SA apparently doesn't accept them.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley

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News Item8/29/08 2:07 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Jim Lincoln wrote:
hidemi, If you're using Windows explorer just make a message with all those "smilies" then go back an answer your own message and copy out the characters that way. Neil probably can be of more help to you on this. Conservative Democrat, your history of the Wesleys looks quite good.
Thank you for your help. I appreciate it. Will it also work on firefox?
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News Item8/28/08 2:44 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
I'm sure Wesley (b. 1707) was well capable of "decoding" the KJV since he lived only a little more than a century after it was first published. By analogy, who would claim the US Constitution to be incomprehensible?
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News Item8/28/08 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Neil, it would have went much faster, if Charles hadn't used a Bible, that already needed some code breaking!

hidemi, If you're using Windows explorer just make a message with all those "smilies" then go back an answer your own message and copy out the characters that way. Neil probably can be of more help to you on this. Conservative Democrat, your history of the Wesleys looks quite good.

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News Item8/27/08 8:37 PM
A Democratic Conservative  Find all comments by A Democratic Conservative
I wonder if the transcribed pages also reveal the extent of Charles' anger with Johns' over their opposing views on Election, Foreordination & Predestination; as Charles & George Whitefield were Really The TRUE Founders of "Calvinistic" Methodism: while John Wesley was The True Founder of "Arminianistic" Methodism.

C. Wesley & George Whitefield basically Believed & Taught That Spiritual Salvation was "Eternally Secure"; from whence we get The Calvinistic Methodist Doctrine of "Eternal Security".

Whereas, John Wesley basically Believed & Taught That Spiritual Salvation Could be "Lost" or "Fallen From; from whence we get The More Popular Arminianistic Methodist Doctrine of "Losing One's Salvation", "Falling From Grace" or "Eternal Insecurity".

Since The "Pentecostal" Movement was part of The "Holiness" Movement within The Methodist Church in The 1800s/1900s; The "Pentecostals" carried over this Doctrine of "Eternal Insecurity" From The Arminian-Arm of The Methodist Church: when the Pentecostals Established Their Own Several "Independent" Pentecostal Denominations like "The Church of God in Christ", "The Assemblies of God", "The Church of The Nazarene", Etc...

Bob Jones Sr. (1883-1968) was an Evangelist & Revivalist of "Holiness" Fundamentalist (Calvinistic) Methodism !

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News Item8/27/08 12:53 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"Charles had also transcribed gospels from the King James bible into the same shorthand." (Daily Mail article)

It's just the same cryptographic process used by Navy codebreakers before the Battle of Midway - find the encoding of a known message, derive the encoding algorithm from it (called a "codec" by computer scientists today), & decode the unknown encoded message with it. If he had used some other known Bible translation, the outcome would've been no different.

I'm surprised no one tried this before.

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News Item8/27/08 12:36 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
ENGINEER wrote:
once again, unlocking the mysteries of life!

His breakthrough in unlocking Wesley’s code of shorthand and abbreviations came when he used the King James Bible to transcribe excerpts from the Gospels.

sorry: couldn't resist...
Ha Ha, That's funny.

How do you get those smilies? Someone told me before, but I can't find it.

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News Item8/27/08 12:14 PM
ENGINEER | USA  Find all comments by ENGINEER
once again, unlocking the mysteries of life!

His breakthrough in unlocking Wesley’s code of shorthand and abbreviations came when he used the King James Bible to transcribe excerpts from the Gospels.

sorry: couldn't resist...

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News Item8/27/08 12:02 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
The article is at www.christianpost.com

www.dailymail.co.uk (as one might expect) emphasizes Wesley's vehement denials of allegations of sexual indiscretions while in Georgia.

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