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An Anglican priest has finally cracked the code Methodist co-founder Charles Wesley used when writing about sensitive matters in his diary some 250 years ago.
Over 1,000 handwritten pages dating from 1736 to 1756 have been deciphered by the Rev Professor Kenneth Newport, pro vice-chancellor for research and academic development at Liverpool Hope University.
The transcribed pages reveal the extent of Charlesâ€™ anger with his brother, fellow Methodist founder John Wesley, over the latterâ€™s plans to marry and disagreements over a split from the Church of England....
Malcolm Turner wrote: Nothing ever suprises me about the Wesleys. Both were decievers of the highest calibre. The Wesleys were not Christians but were agents of satan sent to cause chaos amongst the true church.
Sounds like you didn't get enough attention when you were growing up.
Malcolm Turner wrote: Nothing ever suprises me about the Wesleys. Both were decievers of the highest calibre. THE WESLEYS WERE NOT CHRISTIANS but were agents of satan sent to cause chaos amongst the true church. [emphasis added]
"agents of satan" ... Puhleeeeze!
It seems as though EVERY Christian is NOT a Christian by some other "Christian's" calculation.
[Mark 9:38-41 NKJV] Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us." But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. For he who is not against us is on our side. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."
Jim Lincoln wrote: hidemi, If you're using Windows explorer just make a message with all those "smilies" then go back an answer your own message and copy out the characters that way. Neil probably can be of more help to you on this. Conservative Democrat, your history of the Wesleys looks quite good.
Thank you for your help. I appreciate it. Will it also work on firefox?
I'm sure Wesley (b. 1707) was well capable of "decoding" the KJV since he lived only a little more than a century after it was first published. By analogy, who would claim the US Constitution to be incomprehensible?
Ah, Neil, it would have went much faster, if Charles hadn't used a Bible, that already needed some code breaking!
hidemi, If you're using Windows explorer just make a message with all those "smilies" then go back an answer your own message and copy out the characters that way. Neil probably can be of more help to you on this. Conservative Democrat, your history of the Wesleys looks quite good.
I wonder if the transcribed pages also reveal the extent of Charles' anger with Johns' over their opposing views on Election, Foreordination & Predestination; as Charles & George Whitefield were Really The TRUE Founders of "Calvinistic" Methodism: while John Wesley was The True Founder of "Arminianistic" Methodism.
C. Wesley & George Whitefield basically Believed & Taught That Spiritual Salvation was "Eternally Secure"; from whence we get The Calvinistic Methodist Doctrine of "Eternal Security".
Whereas, John Wesley basically Believed & Taught That Spiritual Salvation Could be "Lost" or "Fallen From; from whence we get The More Popular Arminianistic Methodist Doctrine of "Losing One's Salvation", "Falling From Grace" or "Eternal Insecurity".
Since The "Pentecostal" Movement was part of The "Holiness" Movement within The Methodist Church in The 1800s/1900s; The "Pentecostals" carried over this Doctrine of "Eternal Insecurity" From The Arminian-Arm of The Methodist Church: when the Pentecostals Established Their Own Several "Independent" Pentecostal Denominations like "The Church of God in Christ", "The Assemblies of God", "The Church of The Nazarene", Etc...
Bob Jones Sr. (1883-1968) was an Evangelist & Revivalist of "Holiness" Fundamentalist (Calvinistic) Methodism !
"Charles had also transcribed gospels from the King James bible into the same shorthand." (Daily Mail article)
It's just the same cryptographic process used by Navy codebreakers before the Battle of Midway - find the encoding of a known message, derive the encoding algorithm from it (called a "codec" by computer scientists today), & decode the unknown encoded message with it. If he had used some other known Bible translation, the outcome would've been no different.