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Protestants 'are proper Churches'
THE PROTESTANT Churches of the Reformation are proper Churches, the newly elected chairman of the German Roman Catholics Bishops’ Conference told the weekly magazine Der Speigel.

In a Feb 16 interview Archbishop Robert Zollitsch of Freiburg also criticized the Catholic Church’s traditional ties to the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), questioned the necessity of clerical celibacy, and deviated from the Church’s stated views on childcare.

Conservative members of the Bishops’ Conference were quick to distance themselves from the archbishop’s comments, while others claimed his words had been distorted and there were no plans to abolish mandatory celibacy for the clergy. ...


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News Item12/26/13 10:37 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Find all comments by DJC49
John Yurich USA wrote:
Yes I know but that does not mean every member has to communicate with the minister. I still would not discuss anything with the minister if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church because as far as I am concerned it would not be any of his business what my beliefs are. I WOULD NOT EVEN BE INVOLVED IN ANY CHURCH ACTIVITIES.
Not involved in any church activities?
Seriously, John???

IOW, any gift(s) of The Spirit you might have would NOT be used for the edification of your fellow Christians, i.e., the building up of the church.

John, as a member of the Body of Christ, it is your JOB/DUTY to build up others in the Church! Perhaps you have overlooked this (and much more) when it comes to your supposed walk of faith through this mortal life.

You are way too comfortable in your solitary beliefs within the confines of your stained glass windowed RC "church."

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News Item12/25/13 3:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Y., if you have been saved then you will do an adult baptism, q.v., Baptism: Truth or Tradition, an excerpt from that:
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
The method the disciples used to carry out this command [Matthew 28:19] is unfolded in the Book of Acts. As we shall see, baptism involves a public identification, an open declaration by a person who has decided to follow Christ. The thought of an unbaptized believer is foreign to the New Testament. It was expected and demanded that if a person had indeed believed in Christ, his faith would be made evident through public baptism. Conversely, without water baptism it would be questionable whether the person had really understood and believed in Jesus Christ. As we study Acts, this pattern will be seen over and over again— those who believe will be baptized.
So, John Y., it is people's business where you stand you don't put your light underneath a basket, So, have you been baptized in a Christian church? As I pointed out to you before, Hebrews 10:24-26, you should be encouraging fellow Christians in a Christian Church, your presence in the Romish Church supports
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News Item12/25/13 10:28 AM
Josiah B  Find all comments by Josiah B
John Yurich USA wrote:
I know that ministers are supposed to communicate with members that want to discuss things with them. But I would not be one that would want to discuss anything with the minister because it would not be any of his business what I believe. Why do you call it rebellion not wanting to discuss anything with the minister? Does every member in your church discuss things with the minister?
If it is not the minister's business what you believe then whose business is it? And how is he to care for your soul if you decide that you are not going to let him do God's appointed duty as far as your soul is concerned?

Sure you're a rebel. You don't have saving faith. That makes you a rebel. You want to believe but on your terms only, which also displays your rebel heart, you won't obey God's commandments, which shows you don't love him etc. You want church but on your own terms. Yes, I'd say you're a rebel.

People in my church love to talk with the pastor. They look forward to it.

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News Item12/25/13 9:40 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Josiah B wrote:
IOW you haven't a clue what God's appointment for them to be overseers entails and you don't care so long as you can continue in your rebellion.
I know that ministers are supposed to communicate with members that want to discuss things with them. But I would not be one that would want to discuss anything with the minister because it would not be any of his business what I believe. Why do you call it rebellion not wanting to discuss anything with the minister? Does every member in your church discuss things with the minister?
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News Item12/25/13 9:31 AM
Josiah B  Find all comments by Josiah B
John Yurich USA wrote:
Yes I know but that does not mean every member has to communicate with the minister. I still would not discuss anything with the minister if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church because as far as I am concerned it would not be any of his business what my beliefs are. I would not even be involved in any church activities.
IOW you haven't a clue what God's appointment for them to be overseers entails and you don't care so long as you can continue in your rebellion.
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News Item12/25/13 9:11 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Josiah B wrote:
Do you have any clue why pastors are called overseers?
Yes I know but that does not mean every member has to communicate with the minister. I still would not discuss anything with the minister if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church because as far as I am concerned it would not be any of his business what my beliefs are. I would not even be involved in any church activities.
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News Item12/25/13 9:07 AM
Josiah B  Find all comments by Josiah B
John Yurich USA wrote:
Of course my priest is not cognizant that I have not been to individual confession in close to 30 years because it is none of his business. In fact none of what I believe is his business. Even if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church I would not even discuss anything with the minister because it would not be any of his business what I believe. Why would I want to discuss anything with the minister? And I would not be involved in any church activities if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church.
Do you have any clue why pastors are called overseers?
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News Item12/25/13 7:15 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
I guess the priest isn't cognizant of John Yurich's absence from confession or he would not be able to partake of the mass.
Of course my priest is not cognizant that I have not been to individual confession in close to 30 years because it is none of his business. In fact none of what I believe is his business. Even if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church I would not even discuss anything with the minister because it would not be any of his business what I believe. Why would I want to discuss anything with the minister? And I would not be involved in any church activities if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church.
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News Item12/24/13 5:23 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
penny wrote:
some say to come out of RCC idolatry. I believe that CHrist calls us to come out of all idolatry.
for idolators do not inherit the Kingdom of God.
RCC is but one form of idolatry to come out of.
Many protestants lull their people to sleep preaching the RCC system as that if the antichrist system, etc, thereby ignoring their own cultural idolatry.
as we point out priest confessions and all that, it might be good to remember that our own churches are full of statist idolatry, the visible church is ripe for following its own form of Babylon.
where are the preachers preparing their people for these days? where are the preachers putting away the secret rapture for sound doctrine on the second coming of CHrist to deal with sin and put an end to it? how many fear the "tribulation" more than the wrath of God, or even His disappointment with children who tried to wed herself both to CHrist and the world?
I see CHristians full of fear these days, full and full of fear, true biblical teaching and supplication creates a bold, strengthened people.
Yes Penny, I pray frequently that God would raise up an army of men that would go forth and preach His word; unafraid and unashamed.
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News Item12/24/13 5:14 PM
Josiah B  Find all comments by Josiah B
SteveR wrote:
Lutherans would consider yours an ignorant statement
Wiki
"The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification (JDDJ) is a document created, and agreed to, by the Catholic Church's Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999, as a result of extensive ecumenical dialogue. It states that the churches now share "a common understanding of our justification by God's grace through faith in Christ "
There is compromise on every hand and the Lutherans are moving goal posts too. So what's surprising about that? And why do you suppose I should be concerned when it is them who are moving away from Luther's doctrine of Justification by faith alone. Remember it has always been the "alone" that has created problems for the RCC. I don't see a mention of that word in the compromise!
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News Item12/24/13 5:10 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Josiah B wrote:
There is a difference between sins and faults. Where we have failed fellow believers or wronged them, we should confess our faults to them (not a priest).
Sins are only ever to be confessed to God, since only he can forgive sins.
The Lutheran position, insofar as it keeps to the RCC teaching is also wicked and ignorant. However, since Lutherans hold to salvation by grace through faith alone in the merits of Christ, though they err, this error of theirs is not damnable.
Lutherans would consider yours an ignorant statement

Wiki
"The Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification (JDDJ) is a document created, and agreed to, by the Catholic Church's Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) and the Lutheran World Federation in 1999, as a result of extensive ecumenical dialogue. It states that the churches now share "a common understanding of our justification by God's grace through faith in Christ "

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News Item12/24/13 4:55 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
some say to come out of RCC idolatry. I believe that CHrist calls us to come out of all idolatry.

for idolators do not inherit the Kingdom of God.

RCC is but one form of idolatry to come out of.

Many protestants lull their people to sleep preaching the RCC system as that if the antichrist system, etc, thereby ignoring their own cultural idolatry.

as we point out priest confessions and all that, it might be good to remember that our own churches are full of statist idolatry, the visible church is ripe for following its own form of Babylon.

where are the preachers preparing their people for these days? where are the preachers putting away the secret rapture for sound doctrine on the second coming of CHrist to deal with sin and put an end to it? how many fear the "tribulation" more than the wrath of God, or even His disappointment with children who tried to wed herself both to CHrist and the world?

I see CHristians full of fear these days, full and full of fear, true biblical teaching and supplication creates a bold, strengthened people.

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News Item12/24/13 4:54 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
SteveR wrote:
Since you know Im Reformed, why so evasive? I certainly dont share in the Lutheran position, but I understand it.
I was addressing your ignorance, wickedness & inability to support that absolution confirms the RCC as 'satans church' when Lutherans do the same using Scripture
No, there is a lot more to me saying the RCC is satan's church than this absolution. None of their doctrine and teaching is according to scripture, but they have managed to confuse the most people; more than any other cult.

If you would like to show me any of their doctrine that is true, then be my guest.

Remember, I still have my 50 page, "cult of catholicism 101" that I can send you.

What of. I agree with the verses you quoted.

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News Item12/24/13 4:44 PM
Josiah B  Find all comments by Josiah B
what of wrote:
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
There is a difference between sins and faults. Where we have failed fellow believers or wronged them, we should confess our faults to them (not a priest).

Sins are only ever to be confessed to God, since only he can forgive sins.

The Lutheran position, insofar as it keeps to the RCC teaching is also wicked and ignorant. However, since Lutherans hold to salvation by grace through faith alone in the merits of Christ, though they err, this error of theirs is not damnable. Besides the errors of the RCC go the the heart of the Gospel and to virtually every other sound doctrine.

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News Item12/24/13 4:29 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Frank wrote:
Well since Christ said this to "them" then He couldn't have been giving this authority only to the RCC's first pope. He must have meant something else by this instead of what you think he meant.
Since you know Im Reformed, why so evasive? I certainly dont share in the Lutheran position, but I understand it.

I was addressing your ignorance, wickedness & inability to support that absolution confirms the RCC as 'satans church' when Lutherans do the same using Scripture

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News Item12/24/13 4:28 PM
what of  Find all comments by what of
Frank wrote:
There is a big difference between someone saying “I forgive you” than from someone saying “your sins are forgiven”.
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
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News Item12/24/13 4:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Now the Jewish nation certainly understood that only God could forgive sins since they actually sought to kill Jesus because He in fact forgave the sins of the below paralytic. Notice the following exchange from Mark. There is a big difference between someone saying “I forgive you” than from someone saying “your sins are forgiven”. This man had not sinned directly and personally against Christ, so when He said your sins are forgiven, He was in fact telling those around Him, “yes I am God because only God can forgive sins”. I always like to think that these verses represent the most truthful error ever committed by mankind. Yes, only God can forgive sins (the truth part), but then saying that Jesus was not God and was blaspheming by forgiving sin (the error part).

[4] And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken [it] up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. [5] When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. [6] But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, [7] Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? (Mar 2:4-7)

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News Item12/24/13 3:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
You got it brother and the following are the ways they can earn favor with our Lord. And, of course only through the RCC.
Baptism, Confirmation, Eucharist, Penance (Confession, Reconciliation), Matrimony, Holy Orders, Extreme Unction (Annointing of the Sick)
Yes, it is a carefully crafted system. Has the marks of the devil on it. But it would take someone with the revelation of the Spirit to see it, for the natural man has no discernment of spiritual things. Praise be to God for his enlightenment!
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News Item12/24/13 3:50 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
SteveR wrote:
John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Gonna call them silly names too?
Well since Christ said this to "them" then He couldn't have been giving this authority only to the RCC's first pope. He must have meant something else by this instead of what you think he meant.

[8] But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. [9] And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ. [11] But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. [12] And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. (Mat 23:8-12 KJV)

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News Item12/24/13 3:38 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Frank wrote:
Here is what the priest use to say to us and I'm sure they still do. Notice the trickery they use; by "His authority, I absolve you". They are the only ones that have the authority; how convenient. So much for 1 Timothy 2:5.
And, we had to call him father and he referred to us as sons and daughters.
Anyone who understands this system and supports it, "is lost".
May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every bond of excommunication (suspension) and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. [making the Sign of the Cross:] Thereupon, I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
Lutherans do similar relying on

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Gonna call them silly names too?

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