WASHINGTON (ABP) -- Churchgoing Congregationalist Barack Obama is being forced once again to explain that he is not secretly a Muslim bent on furthering an international Islamic conspiracy by winning the presidency.
Jewish and other religious leaders have joined him in denouncing an e-mail campaign that has resurfaced in primary states in recent weeks. Various versions of the messages have spread since at least January of 2007, when the conservative online magazine Insight published an article that falsely asserted Obama attended a madrassa, or Islamic religious school, while he lived in Indonesia....
william wrote: Oh I see. So if there was a police lineup where the suspect was a white male in his forties they could throw Obama in there and the witness would just think he's one of the white guys because his mom's white. Is that it?
Whether he is black or white is irrelevant. The question is does he know the truth? Based upon his confession of faith, in my opinion, he does not. Then the question becomes: can he be trusted to be a President who will maintain the constitutional liberty of freedom of religion? Under this circumstance, if he is still a Muslim at heart (which I believe he is), this liberty is in jeopardy. Islam by nature is a theocracy and as such is intolerant of every other religion. "If the foundations are removed, what can the righteous do?"
Oh I see. So if there was a police lineup where the suspect was a white male in his forties they could throw Obama in there and the witness would just think he's one of the white guys because his mom's white. Is that it?
william wrote: What makes Obama black is that if he was living in Arkansas in 1950 the bus driver would take one look at him and tell him to take a seat in the back of the bus.
Don't see the connection. He's not living in Arkansas in 1950. Today, it's just as true to say Obama is white as it is to say he's black.
What makes Obama black is that if he was living in Arkansas in 1950 the bus driver would take one look at him and tell him to take a seat in the back of the bus.
Mike wrote: "Fact #2. Obama IS a Black/African-American "Congregationalist"; and member of Trinity "United Church of Christ", Chicago, IL " If I say Obama is white, would I be wrong? What is it that makes him Black/"African-American"?
He is a chameleon. Whatever audience he is in front of determines his race. He has the liberal white vote; what he needs to do now is convince "African-Americans" that he is not "white".
This is why it has been said that Bill Clinton is Black. He is the "White" antithesis of Barack. This chameleon characteristic genetically runs through most politicians.
tony wrote: and when i came to you brethren i did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom proclaiming to you the testimony of God. for i determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. and i was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling. and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men but on the power of God.
Amen Tony,
"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." Jn. 12:48
and when i came to you brethren i did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom proclaiming to you the testimony of God. for i determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. and i was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling. and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men but on the power of God.
Now that Barack Obama has received Glowing Endorsements from Senator Edward Kennedy & his niece (President John F. Kennedy's Daughter) Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg; Obama's U.S. Presidential Campaign has been Gaining Great Momentum !
You'd have to be from Chicago; especially the Southeast-side of Chicago's Hyde-Park/Kenwood/Englewood Neighborhoods to Really understand Barack Obama & his Campaign for President of The United States !
Fact #1. Barack Obama is NOT A Fanatical Mohammedan !
Fact #2. Obama IS a Black/African-American "Congregationalist"; and member of Trinity "United Church of Christ", Chicago, IL !
Barack Obama's Political Backers range from Chicago's Mayor Richard M. Daley to Conservative Independent-Democratic-State-Senator James Meeks (who is also Pastor of Salem Missionary Baptist Church--South Chicago's Largest Baptist Church with over 22,000 weekly church attendees).
Fundamentalist Baptist Pastor/Br. James Meeks was a frequent attendee of Fundamentalist Baptist Pastor/Br. Jack Frasure Hyles' National Pastor's School Bible/Biblical-Literalist Conferences back in the 1980s/90s !
Barack Obama is NOT as Religiously "Liberal" as some "Right-winged" Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic manipulated/controlled press & media would make you think !
Neil wrote: "liberal and conservative are labels created by idealogues on both sides. the terms don't appear in the new testament" Strawman. I didn't call Obama "liberal," & indeed, I equated Bush's politics w/ Obama's. Neither term is very useful here anyway. "doctorine[sic] saves no one, Christ does and him alone." That's a doctrine (albeit void of propositional content, therefore meaningless), so you refuted yourself by this false dilemma. Maybe Christ saves everyone, for all I can tell from your words. "Christ says not to judge" Which you are doing too, so you condemn yourself by this misuse of Scripture.
Good arguments Neil.
If "Logos" can mean Word, thought, doctrine, saying, etc. then John 1:1 could be translated "In the beginning was the Doctrine, and the Doctrine was with God, and the Doctrine was God." Therefore, who can separate the doctrine of Christ from His person? "And the Doctrine was made flesh and dwelt among us, . . ." Jn. 1:14
"liberal and conservative are labels created by idealogues on both sides. the terms don't appear in the new testament"
Strawman. I didn't call Obama "liberal," & indeed, I equated Bush's politics w/ Obama's. Neither term is very useful here anyway.
"doctorine[sic] saves no one, Christ does and him alone."
That's a doctrine (albeit void of propositional content, therefore meaningless), so you refuted yourself by this false dilemma. Maybe Christ saves everyone, for all I can tell from your words.
"Christ says not to judge"
Which you are doing too, so you condemn yourself by this misuse of Scripture, in which you pit Jesus in Matt. 7:1 against Paul in 1 Cor. 6:1ff.
liberal and conservative are labels created by idealogues on both sides. the terms don't appear in the new testament, as well as other terms like social gospel, calvinism, and the rapture. my brothers doctorine saves no one, Christ does and him alone. he determines who is in his church, not me, not you, not doctorine, not theologians or conservatives or the pope or liberals but Christ. that's his perogative. Christ says not to judge or you will be judged I take him at his Word.
Tony is evidently referring to www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/januaryweb-only/104-32.0.html
"we can structure faith-based programs that prove to be successful"
Same empirical pragmatism popularized by so-called "conservatives" like Bush; fund NGOs w/ confiscatory Federal taxation.
Right after Obama's unBiblical testimony (Christians are already cleansed of sin, 1 Cor. 6:11), he redefines Christianity with, "But most importantly[!], I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful."
So Jesus is a model Social Reformer, not Prophet, Priest, & King! Std-issue Social Gospel - all Social, no Gospel. 2 Tim. 3:5 fits well here.
tony wrote: Who was that said "if you confess me before men I will confess you before my father?" Wasn't that Jesus? Barack Obama confesses the redemptive power of Christ and the ressurrection of Christ. I read it in an interview in Christianity Today.
Sorry to disappoint you Tony, but the name Jesus is meaningless unless it is the Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture. Jesus himself said, "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt. 24:23-24
The true Jesus who is the truth is known by the truth of Holy Scripture, the doctrine of Christ,(not the liberal magazine, "Christianity Today").
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." 2 Jn. 9
Who was that said "if you confess me before men I will confess you before my father?" Wasn't that Jesus? Barack Obama confesses the redemptive power of Christ and the ressurrection of Christ. I read it in an interview in Christianity Today.
So what does this prove? Ratzinger refutes being the Antichrist; Benny Hinn refutes being a pick pocket.
If you study the doctrines of the "Church of Christ" carefully, you might see why it is doubtful that Barack has been converted to "Christianity". The nominal "Church of Christ" is a convenient name for a left wing Muslim politician sifting for right wing votes. Ask Ted Kennedy, he'll tell you truthfully.
This is how Daniel Pipes looked at the issue, Was Barack Obama a Muslim?. One might add, was Barack ever a Christian either, since he support partial birth abortion.
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