VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict ushered in the New Year on Tuesday by criticizing policies that undermine the traditional family, saying they eroded one of the most important foundations for peace in the world.
The Pontiff, delivering a traditional New Year prayer for peace, appeared to take a swipe at efforts in several countries to grant legal recognition to gay and unwed couples -- although he did not single out any policies by name.
He said the traditional family led by a husband and wife instilled values that promote peace, and added it was an "irreplaceable" institution....
My, My, John, like the bad penny eh? Well from the Douay-Rheims bible site, Book of Exodus Chapter 20: "...But otherwise images, pictures, or representations, even in the house of God, and in the very sanctuary so far from being forbidden, are expressly authorized by the word of God. See Ex. 25. 15, and etc.; chap. 38. 7; Num. 21. 8, 9; 1 Chron. or Paralip. 28. 18, 19; 2 Chron. or Paralip. 3. 10." ---www.drbo.org You really need to look at the article, What Is Idolatry?, of course you also need to read, Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?.
Perhaps, John, you should look at the more modern RSV, which Papist Church also supports, Rome's Perversion of the Ten Commandments . Now the antiquated Douay while probably better than the RSV, still has the blasphemous Romanist Church approved commentary in it. A Bible really needs no commentary. However, as one person mentioned John MacArthur, you should get his study Bible to get an interpretation to what God wants rather than fallen man wants.
To John Yurich: I would like to share with you these words from Dr. John MacArthur-“Both the narrow gate and the wide gate are assumed to provide entrance to God’s kingdom. Two ways are offered to people. The narrow gate is by faith, only through Christ, constricted and precise. It represents true salvation in God’s way that leads to life eternal. The wide gate includes all religions of works and self-righteousness, with no single way (cf. Acts 4:12), but leads to hell, not heaven.†- John MacArthur Those who have believed in vain have done so as the demons believed (James 2:19). That means that they are convinced that the Gospel is true, but they are not regenerate so they have no love for God, our Lord, and righteousness. In contrast, those who have entered by the narrow gate, genuine believers, abide in Christ and “hold fast†to the Gospel.-Mike Ratliff Without believing in and following God's word from Genesis to Revelation, and putting it FIRST, over church doctrine, over anything that opposes sound doctrine, then you are led astray and are still lost in sin.
Mr. R. C. Anyin wrote: That is also a complete and total fabriacation because the Douay Catholic Family Edition Bible that I have states in Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.". What is with you Fundamentalist Protestants anyway?
Did you catch this?
Okay, what is with you RCC's? If "your Bible" clearly states "Thou shalt not", then why is it done?
Having read your posts for a considerable time I believe it is safe to say regarding the Roman Catholic Religion you are seriously a man trying to have it both ways.
You claim to not want the Un-Scriptural parts of Catholicism
But you also shun Biblical obedience to Christ and His Word only wanting "enough of Jesus to keep you out of the eternal hell and get you into heaven"
John, nowhere does God give you nor anyone else this kind of middle ground neutrality. In Revelation He tells us that He would rather we be hot or cold but to those who are lukewarm He would spue (vomit) them out of His mouth.
So how would you like us to pray? That God would give you the back bone to choose, to make your calling and election sure - to His praise and His glory?
Or that God would make a frightful example of you of one who is trying to have it both ways as this is a terrible stumbling block to others? This is of course something we would have to pray with much brokeness of heart, weeping how anyone could be so hard hearted against Christ that Jesus just wasn't good enough to be loved with all their heart by them.
John Yurich wrote: That is also a complete and total fabriacation because the Douay Catholic Family Edition Bible that I have states in Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.". What is with you Fundamentalist Protestants anyway? Why are you continually telling absolute lies about the Catholic Church like this one about Catholic Bibles omitting the Second Commandment from Exodus 20:4? Don't you Fundamentalist Protestants know that lying is a sin? I guess you guys think that telling lies about the Catholic Church is not really sinning since you guys consider the Catholic Church to be devoid of any scriptural teaching?
The Roman Church does not allow it's members to interpret the Bible freely; they must accept the interpretation of the Roman Church.
The RC book "Instructions in the Catholic Faith" by Parish Priests says "God's Living Teacher of Revelation--The Catholic Church".
So how can you defend the Roman church? What difference does it make what Bible they have if they can't determine what it says for themselves?
GK wrote: John Yurich-I believe the poster is referring to the Douay Catholic bible,which DOES omit the second commandment.....
That is also a complete and total fabriacation because the Douay Catholic Family Edition Bible that I have states in Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in Heaven above or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.".
What is with you Fundamentalist Protestants anyway? Why are you continually telling absolute lies about the Catholic Church like this one about Catholic Bibles omitting the Second Commandment from Exodus 20:4? Don't you Fundamentalist Protestants know that lying is a sin? I guess you guys think that telling lies about the Catholic Church is not really sinning since you guys consider the Catholic Church to be devoid of any scriptural teaching?
Christian Raas wrote: GG You made some good points in your last comment on the Nazi Regime and the role of the churches during that time. And yes, the Lutheran and Reformed State churches of Germany compromised with the Nazi governement probably as much as the Roman church. Nevertheless I believe that the Vatican actively worked to bring Hitler into power whereas the apostate Protestant churches chose to remain passive and silent. And yes my own native land (Switzerland) is guilty of collaborating with the Nazi Regime. You are probably right that most if not all of us had also kept silent rather than being thrown into the gas chambers.
GK wrote: Christian-you used a very apt word there-"apostate" they should have known better than to compromise and leave biblical truth behind.....the "Protestant" churches who are up to their eyes in the ecumenical movement today are similarly apostate
GK - I agree a 100%. The mainline denominations all went along with the spirit of their time i.e. Nazism. Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli and the other reformers would condemn today's "lutheran" and "reformed" state-churches to hell if they were still around.
John, I apologize for my comment, I should have said the Catholic catechism. Your post--And the fact remains that the poster called look up stated that the Catholic Bible in Exodus 20:4 omits the Second Commandment. And that has been proven to be a complete and total fabrication which means a lie which is a sin. So stop sticking up for lying.
I didn't intentionally lie, I was misinformed. Nevertheless, this makes the RCC all the more guilty of breaking the second commandment by worshiping false idols, Deut. 4:15-16, "Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or FEMALE." Wherever it may or may not be found in the RCC doctrine, this is what the infallible word of God says about idolatry.
preacherjond. wrote: If you truly beilieve the Bible, why are you still in the catholic church, since its doctrines disagree completely with Scripture?
I just can't understand that either....if he just believes the bible,why would he WANT to stay in a system which adds to and contradicts scripture?
Christian Raas wrote: GG You made some good points in your last comment on the Nazi Regime and the role of the churches during that time. And yes, the Lutheran and Reformed State churches of Germany compromised with the Nazi governement probably as much as the Roman church. Nevertheless I believe that the Vatican actively worked to bring Hitler into power whereas the apostate Protestant churches chose to remain passive and silent. And yes my own native land (Switzerland) is guilty of collaborating with the Nazi Regime. You are probably right that most if not all of us had also kept silent rather than being thrown into the gas chambers.
Christian-you used a very apt word there-"apostate"
they should have known better than to compromise and leave biblical truth behind.....the "Protestant" churches who are up to their eyes in the ecumenical movement today are similarly apostate
You made some good points in your last comment on the Nazi Regime and the role of the churches during that time. And yes, the Lutheran and Reformed State churches of Germany compromised with the Nazi governement probably as much as the Roman church. Nevertheless I believe that the Vatican actively worked to bring Hitler into power whereas the apostate Protestant churches chose to remain passive and silent. And yes my own native land (Switzerland) is guilty of collaborating with the Nazi Regime. You are probably right that most if not all of us had also kept silent rather than being thrown into the gas chambers.
"The Catholic Catechism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible."
John, you're mistaken; in it, the RCC insists (para 85) that it ALONE has been entrusted with "authentic interpretation" of the Word of God. www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a2.htm#II Thus attempts by you or me to deduce other interpretations stand condemned.
Please read more carefully & bear truthful witness; I agreed with your point about Ex. 20.
GG wrote: My Dear GK, the RCC doesn't sell postcards of antlered jackrabbits, nor do we push similar fantasies like "Sola Scriptura", but we do offer God's forgiveness and 'Holy Food' to repentant sinnners, according the the ancient faith taught by Christ. Something that your little bunch of Church folk can't say with a straight face.
your "church" does peddle the equivalent rubbish,though
I have really great difficulty keeping a straight face at anything you write....
holy food..... I ask you.....
is that swiss cheese????
you working in a deli there?
John Yurich-I believe the poster is referring to the Douay Catholic bible,which DOES omit the second commandment.....
Neil wrote: It is true that Catholic Bibles, in Ex. 20, include the prohibition of graven images. But the Catholic Catechism, which considers v. 4 as part of the 1st, effectively sanctions idolatry in para 2132 by artfully calling it "veneration." www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm And few Protestants today, I might add, object to images of the Godhead. The 2nd commandment according to the Catechism: www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a2.htm
Neil: The Catholic Catechism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible. I do not care one iota what the Catholic Catechism states about anything. I just believe in the Bible. And the fact remains that the poster called look up stated that the Catholic Bible in Exodus 20:4 omits the Second Commandment. And that has been proven to be a complete and total fabrication which means a lie which is a sin. So stop sticking up for lying.
My Dear GK, the RCC doesn't sell postcards of antlered jackrabbits, nor do we push similar fantasies like "Sola Scriptura", but we do offer God's forgiveness and 'Holy Food' to repentant sinnners, according the the ancient faith taught by Christ. Something that your little bunch of Church folk can't say with a straight face.
Lance Eccles wrote: Oh, really? I wonder where I'd find those. It can be clearly inferred from Catholic teaching about angels that angels don't have feathers.
you'd find them here http://www.tworiverspress.com/ ThamesBestiary/Briny%20Streams.html
Feathers, plucked from a wing of the Archangel Gabriel by John the Baptist’s disbelieving father, rest, as if waiting for a breath of wind, behind glass in a pillar of Pewsey church. They make a change from the usual relics of saints’ fingers and fibulae, a suitably heavenly scam for a sacred landscape with plenty of its own barrowed bones, buried up there on the chalk flanks of a downland goddess where the ancient pounded boundary of Wansdyke crests the smooth dolphin back of the ridge.
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