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Christian groups slam new Kidman children's movie, Golden Compass

Christian groups are up in arms here over a new children's film starring Nicole Kidman and based on an award-winning novel by British author Philip Pullman, accusing it of being anti-religious.

"The Golden Compass" which opens here Friday is the film version of "The Northern Lights," the first book in Pullman's "Dark Materials" fantasy trilogy aimed at teenage readers.

The books by confirmed agnostic Pullman trace the fate of a young girl, Lyra, as she becomes drawn into an apocalyptic battle of good against evil, meeting a host of strange characters along the way including a polar bear, voiced in the film by Ian McKellan.

Evil in Pullman's books is represented by the church, called the Magisterium, whose acolytes kidnap orphans across England to subject them to horrible experiments in the frozen northern wastelands. ...


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Peter Eichinger | Adelaide, Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Peter Eichinger
The depiction of Pullman's work is simply a pale imitation of christian works that have come before them and merely show a lack of real imagination. Satan has always been trying to pervert the ways of God. This is no different.

Not surprisingly, the title says a lot about the story. A real compass responds to a magnetic field to guide people. Here we have a gold compass, which doesn't respond to anything. Instead people with the "lust of the eyes" are only too willing to chase after this false thing and will wonder why and where it has "lead them" when they finally reach their destination! It is typical of atheistic literature.

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News Item12/8/07 6:56 AM
9Marksfan | Scotland  Find all comments by 9Marksfan
I don't understand why the article calls Pullman a "confirmed agnostic" - he's a confirmed ATHEIST! His books are INTENDED to "evangelize" children with his "gospel" of atheism and "freedom" to do what they like - that is seen as the great "liberating" message at the end of the trilogy - "We've got rid of God - now we can REALLY do what we please with NO ONE to spoil the fun!" It is probably, as Pullman himself has said, one of the most subversive pieces of literature written in recent times - MUCH worse than Harry Potter. EVERY child and adolescent naturally wants to reject authority and "do their own thing" - these books and this film (and its inevitable successors) will confirm them in these desires and will further anatagonise them against all things Christian. We need to counter the false teachings of Pullman with the truth that Jesus Christ is the ONLY one who can TRULY set us free - to live for God and not self!
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News Item12/6/07 10:39 AM
Paul Potter | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by Paul Potter
The danger with this movie is not the movie itself but the books that comes ffrom the film is a watered down version of the book and so it may well encourage children to read the books that are more dangerous. to hear a sermon preached by Rev T Murray on the subjet at comber free presbyterian church
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News Item12/6/07 1:26 AM
JP | Illinois  Find all comments by JP
Understanding that the author is an atheist and that this is a response to C.S. Lewis' Narnia, I have to wonder what framework an atheist would have for writing meaningful fantasy.

If I understand correctly, C.S. Lewis argued that fantasy literature provides a context to enlarge our faith in the Almighty God; it links our imagination to heaven. It explores the imagination to its depths to broaden the minds eye so that it might attempt a glimpse of eternity. Utilizing our imagination it mirrors the possibilities that lie beyond our own temporal world.

With this in mind, I don't see how an atheist can accomplish good fantasy story telling. It would seem empty and void of meaning. The climax itself would of necessity have to be meaningless.

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News Item12/6/07 12:54 AM
John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by John
I was practically "weaned" on Star Trek, being just old enough
to remember watching the original broadcasts in the late 60s.

As humanistic/atheistic as that show was, I doubt this new movie
could be much worse (less subtle, perhaps).

I'll probably rent the DVD as I'm interested in this movie's
effects--and the opportunity to "climb into the head" of one of
many spiritual adversaries--although this guy seems most miffed
at the RCC, from what I read of the reviews, and I'm not Catholic.

What facinates me most about analyzing reprobate minds, like the
author of this film, is that I get to see MYSELF--without Christ.
...which makes me appreciate Him and His work in me all the more

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News Item12/5/07 6:05 PM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
While I could argue whether the "rebuke" you leveled was justified or not, to your credit you do try to be fair on these threads. I also appreciate your non-denominationalistic approach. At least a dialogue has a chance of occurring with you.
I merely like to know what my targets are, that is all. Perhaps this is a difference of methodology.
While I could argue whether the "rebuke" you leveled was justified
I know, thanks for not doing so, what you said was not heresy,
and I may have been a little strong.
sorry about that although my point I still stand behind.
You say it never hurts to know at least a little about what one is bashing. I think what Dan said was more than enough to let us know what the book was about,Dan wrote:
No need to read them. All you need is an excerpt like this one from the 3rd book…
“The Authority, God, the Creator, The Lord... those were all names he gave himself. He was never the creator. you did reply to his comment, I did also, methodology, yes?
Care must be taken, (not saying you) chistianity today uses Grace to justify
anything,even anti God entertainment.
Bad Food meaning was Bad Doctrine, why encourage others to eat.
Thanks
te
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News Item12/5/07 2:04 AM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
While I could argue whether the "rebuke" you leveled was justified or not, to your credit you do try to be fair on these threads. I also appreciate your non-denominationalistic approach. At least a dialogue has a chance of occurring with you.

I merely like to know what my targets are, that is all. Perhaps this is a difference of methodology.

terry evans wrote:
Yea, I think I did.
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News Item12/5/07 1:32 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
Terry,
If I'm not mistaken, I think you just 'rebuked' me. Interesting.
To be more precise, Calvin ends up being a pope in the novels. It's hard to tell who the author is really bashing since he's using an alternate world scenario most of the time. All Christians get it in the end.
Also, it never hurts to know at least a little about what one is bashing. This is why I recommended the Jacobs piece.
Honestly, I wasn't attacking you or "grieving the Holy Spirit", at least not intentionally.
Yea, I think I did.

They way I see it trash is trash
doesn't matter who's trash it is
if it goes against, makes fun of,
or a mockery of Gods Holy Word
It matters not to me who is throwing it out(the trash)
Also I think what a person says in relation to Gods word really has no relationship to what denomination that person is, I see no denominations in the Bible, its what is said.
Someone in the Bible said there should be no divisions among you. Also the Bible says you should not only flee evil, but have no fellowship with such.
The books and the movie to say the least bring no Glory to God or christianity. John Calvin becomes pope in the novel? I see nothing
edifing, but irony, division + ridicule

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News Item12/5/07 1:16 AM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Terry,

If I'm not mistaken, I think you just 'rebuked' me. Interesting.

To be more precise, Calvin ends up being a pope in the novels. It's hard to tell who the author is really bashing since he's using an alternate world scenario most of the time. All Christians get it in the end.

Also, it never hurts to know at least a little about what one is bashing. This is why I recommended the Jacobs piece.

Honestly, I wasn't attacking you or "grieving the Holy Spirit", at least not intentionally.

terry evans wrote:
Are you saying christians should see the movie and read the books?
Or just bashing calvinist
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News Item12/5/07 12:29 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
Well, I'm not sure if the restaurant analogy works (if each of them had gluten allergies and it was a bakery or perhaps an Italian restaurant, one might draw the wrong conclusion), but Alan Jacobs wrote a nice piece on the books and he's actually read the entire trilogy. After all, John Calvin is recognized in the book. That ought to interest more than a few here.
After all, John Calvin is recognized in the book. That ought to interest more than a few here.

Thats like saying satan is recognized
in the Bible. That ought to interest
more than a few here

Are you saying christians should see the movie and read the books?

Or just bashing calvinist

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Ephesians 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another
even as God for Christ sake hath
forgiven you

terry

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News Item12/4/07 11:28 PM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Lance Eccles wrote:
The distributors of the film are being a little dishonest with this quote. They took parts out of two separate sentences and joined them together to make a new sentence.
Hi Lance
Your monday, tuesday joke went right over my head, good one

What did the Bishops say?

And what do you think of Phil Donahues comments

terry

? is your country still giving away land for those who want to relocate there
I remember 20 years ago they were

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News Item12/4/07 10:59 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
terry evans wrote:
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops however adds that "taken purely on its own cinematic terms, (it) can be viewed as an exciting adventure story with a traditional struggle between good and evil, and a generalized rejection of authoritarianism."
The distributors of the film are being a little dishonest with this quote. They took parts out of two separate sentences and joined them together to make a new sentence.
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News Item12/4/07 10:48 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Well, I'm not sure if the restaurant analogy works (if each of them had gluten allergies and it was a bakery or perhaps an Italian restaurant, one might draw the wrong conclusion), but Alan Jacobs wrote a nice piece on the books and he's actually read the entire trilogy. After all, John Calvin is recognized in the book. That ought to interest more than a few here.

Dan wrote:
No need to read them. All you need is an excerpt like this one from the 3rd book…
“The Authority, God, the Creator, The Lord... those were all names he gave himself. He was never the creator. He was an angel like ourselves—the first angel, true, the most powerful.... The first angels condensed out of Dust, and the Authority was the first of all.... One of those who came later was wiser than he was, and she found out the truth, so he banished her. We serve her still. And the Authority still reigns in the Kingdom, and [archangel] Metatron is his Regent."
If it is reported that a particular restaurant’s food makes everyone who eats there sick – there is no need to go try it for yourself.
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News Item12/4/07 9:12 PM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Dan wrote:
No need to read them. All you need is an excerpt like this one from the 3rd book…
“The Authority, God, the Creator, The Lord... those were all names he gave himself. He was never the creator. He was an angel like ourselves—the first angel, true, the most powerful.... The first angels condensed out of Dust, and the Authority was the first of all.... One of those who came later was wiser than he was, and she found out the truth, so he banished her. We serve her still. And the Authority still reigns in the Kingdom, and [archangel] Metatron is his Regent."
If it is reported that a particular restaurant’s food makes everyone who eats there sick – there is no need to go try it for yourself.
Wow

won't be seeing the movie either
Amen on the food that makes you sick
but sadly
If I was a betting man
Id bet it will be #1 at the boxoffice

notice in the article

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops however adds that "taken purely on its own cinematic terms, (it) can be viewed as an exciting adventure story with a traditional struggle between good and evil, and a generalized rejection of authoritarianism."

yea, so could the Bible.

terry

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News Item12/4/07 8:55 PM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
No need to read them. All you need is an excerpt like this one from the 3rd book…

“The Authority, God, the Creator, The Lord... those were all names he gave himself. He was never the creator. He was an angel like ourselves—the first angel, true, the most powerful.... The first angels condensed out of Dust, and the Authority was the first of all.... One of those who came later was wiser than he was, and she found out the truth, so he banished her. We serve her still. And the Authority still reigns in the Kingdom, and [archangel] Metatron is his Regent."

If it is reported that a particular restaurant’s food makes everyone who eats there sick – there is no need to go try it for yourself.

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News Item12/4/07 7:54 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Has anyone here read the books?
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News Item12/4/07 1:55 PM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
Michael,

You’re welcome.

Although Narnia, “Christian” Psychology and ecumenism all relate to the ID theft that I have in mind, they don’t compare to the RC religion presenting itself to the world as THE (one and only universal) CHURCH. It seems that 90% of the time the popular media will tell you a story about Christians but show you the Roman “Church” instead. I’m afraid it’s happened so often that the average person has been conditioned to automatically associate the two.

(I just checked your weather and I’m glad I’m not in Endicott)

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News Item12/4/07 10:44 AM
Dave | AZ  Find all comments by Dave
Amen Sarah!

This isn't much fantasy as they are trying to kill God in reality as well. They are trying to take Him away from our thoughts and our lives. They can never succeed! Nero tried to do the same thing by burning and sending Christians (back when it meant to Love Christ) to the Coliseum to be slaughtered by lions.

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News Item12/4/07 10:03 AM
Sarah | Canada  Find all comments by Sarah
I would watch this space. For no one can blaspheme God and whether its the Son, or the Father or His Holy Spirit and PROSPER afterwards. But we know its the end times, and scoffers and ruthless men and women will arise. And the wicked will vaunt themselves like great oak trees. But God's word says that it is only for a while, then they are suddenly cut off. So its to not fret at what theyre doing. But know that the Lord has turned them over if theyll not repent to perdition. Its in all of His word. That this is their slippery end. Everything is noted and God is aware of everything that theyre doing. Most of all. I have to laugh out loud here, though I havent seen the movie. It is amusing that man should even conceive the thought of ever killing God.Theyre doing their master's bidding. But he failed in his first attempt to kick God off His throne. All he is is just alot of threats and hot air. God is still on His Throne. Strong in Power and Might. And as the song says..and HE SHALL REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER MORE!!!!! Let them maketheir movies.Even those movies. someone may say, 'who is God? Is there a real God? What is His name? I want to find out about this God that they claimed theyve killed. Then we his saints will say, indeed. But He is RISEN and he is ALIVE. AMEN.
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News Item12/4/07 8:53 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Dan wrote:
I was told that, in one of the books, she goes into heaven and kills God.
It’s sad that the Roman Catholic religion is presented as representing Christianity in this article which serves as just one more propaganda piece to dupe the unwary into sympathizing with the largest ‘Christian’ cult in the world. The (identity thief) enemy is opposing this evil trilogy when IT is the far greater evil. How deceptive!
Dan
Your post used the words "identity thief" I think you've really hit on or just used words to deep my understanding of what we are facing in these perilous times in which we are living in.

Scripture tells us of the antichrist, certainly one who opposes Jesus Christ but also one who usurps His identity.

And I whole heartedly agree with you that in these "warnings" of this movie it is the false relgion of the Roman Catholic Church that is presented as representing Christianity. Of course there is certainly a whole lot more in the realm of identity theft that we should consider. How about Narnia for one or so called Christian Psycholgy for another and certainly the ecumenical movement also.

Again thanks for the post

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