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Pope criticizes atheism, modern Christianity
VATICAN CITY: Pope Benedict XVI rebuked modern-day atheism for bringing untold cruelty and suffering to a world seeking justice, exhorting Roman Catholics to embrace instead the Christian message of hope.

"We must do all we can to overcome suffering, but to banish it from the world is not in our power," Benedict wrote in the second encyclical of his papacy. "Only God is able to do this."

The pope also critically questioned modern Christianity, saying its focus on individual salvation had ignored Jesus' message that true Christian hope involves salvation for all. ...


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PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
my take wrote:
Peter professes in Matt. 16:16, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God'. It was this bold, strong profession by Peter that led to Christ saying, "Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven." Because of his boldness to profess Christ, Jesus says 'You are Peter'[rock], with this same strength/boldness/fearlessness will the church be built through the likes of those who, like Peter, profess strongly Christ, and His redemptive work on the cross. This type of strength is the solid foundation which is built upon, as He adds to His church, the living stones, a.k.a. believers who are born again.
AMEN!!!
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News Item12/28/07 6:21 PM
my take  Find all comments by my take
Peter professes in Matt. 16:16, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God'. It was this bold, strong profession by Peter that led to Christ saying, "Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven." Because of his boldness to profess Christ, Jesus says 'You are Peter'[rock], with this same strength/boldness/fearlessness will the church be built through the likes of those who, like Peter, profess strongly Christ, and His redemptive work on the cross. This type of strength is the solid foundation which is built upon, as He adds to His church, the living stones, a.k.a. believers who are born again.
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News Item12/27/07 7:49 PM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
GG wrote:
I am not saying that Jesus isn't described often as the rock. But, Jesus never refered to himself as the rock. He was speaking to Peter, why would he mention himself as the rock, when he calls himself the builder. When Jesus refers to himself, he uses the title "Son of Man".
Jesus saith unto them, DID YE NEVER READ IN THE SCRIPTURES, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder."(Matthew 21:42-44)

"Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock."

And I might add that the Old Testament is just as important as the New Testament, and the Lord calls Himself the Rock many times(Deut.32:4,15; 2Samuel 23:3; and also look at 1Corinthia 10:4)

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News Item12/27/07 7:01 PM
RV | Kenosha  Find all comments by RV
GG
Matthew 16, and this one you know, Jesus said, “I say to you, you’re Peter and on this rock I’ll build My church.” You are Peter and upon this rock I will build My church. It’s a play on words. He’s not saying you are Peter and upon you I’ll build My church. You are Peter, Petros...Petros, small stone, and upon this Petra, rock bed, I will build My church. What rock bed? The rock bed of the reality of Christ. Simon Peter in verse 16, “Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God. And Jesus says, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood didn’t reveal this to you, My Father who is in heaven. I say you are a small stone, but it’s on the rock bed of who I am that I will build My church.” How could that be perverted, the language is crystal clear?
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News Item12/27/07 6:11 PM
check it out  Find all comments by check it out
g.g. this is from biblegateway.com...Peter's testimony that Jesus was the Christ.

Our Lord declared Peter to be blessed, as the teaching of God made him differ from his unbelieving countrymen. Christ added that he had named him Peter, in allusion to his stability or firmness in professing the truth. The word translated to �rock, to � is not the same word as Peter, but is of a
similar meaning. Nothing can be more wrong than to suppose that Christ meant the person of Peter was the rock. Without doubt Christ himself is the Rock, the tried foundation of the church; and woe to him that attempts to lay any other! Peter's confession is this rock as to doctrine. If Jesus be not the Christ, those that own him are not of the church, but deceivers and deceived.

Hope this clears it up for you.

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News Item12/27/07 4:40 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
G.G.- again, this is a play-on words. Christ is referring to the meaning of Peter, Cephas, ROCK. It is this type of foundation which He builds His church, which is made up of born-again believers, not an actual building. Meditate on this from 1st Corinthians 3:11, 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, WHICH IS CHRIST JESUS.' Here the apostle Paul clearly says what is the root, foundation, whole basis of the Christian faith--JESUS CHRIST. My faith is not based on the apostle Peter, nor is anyone else's. Jesus spoke a parable of two different foundations in Matthew 7:24-27. Perhaps this will bring clarity to you, along with prayer; asking for insight into God's word should always precede opening His Holy Word.
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News Item12/27/07 3:34 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
I am not saying that Jesus isn't described often as the rock. But, Jesus never refered to himself as the rock. He was speaking to Peter, why would he mention himself as the rock, when he calls himself the builder. When Jesus refers to himself, he uses the title "Son of Man".
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News Item12/27/07 3:23 PM
Ml  Find all comments by Ml
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Christ, the “Spiritual Rock” (Psa_78:20, Psa_78:35; Deu_32:4, Deu_32:15, Deu_32:18, Deu_32:30, Deu_32:31, Deu_32:37; Isa_28:16; 1Pe_2:6)…

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News Item12/27/07 3:05 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
The the Bible refers to Jesus, it speaks of him as the corner stone, which the builders rejected. When Jesus is doing the talking about the Church that he is going to build, he says, "upon this rock, I shall build by Church". He is the speaker, he is the builder, therefore, for him to be builder and stone of the building is not logical. If Simon is not the rock, then why does Jesus change his name? This happens in the OT, whenever God gives his servant a new purpose. Abrahim became Abraham, Issac became Israel, always with a new purpose, God gives a new name.
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News Item12/27/07 2:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Excellent comments, Mike and others,
Scofield wrote:
There is the Greek a play upon the words, "thou art Peter [petros--literally 'a little rock'], and upon this rock [Petra] I will build my church." He does not promise to build His church upon Peter, but upon Himself, as Peter is careful to tell us (1Pe 2.4-9)
1Peter 2
4. unto whom coming, a living stone, rejected indeed of men, but with God elect, precious,
5 ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 Because it is contained in scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: And he that believeth on him shall not be put to shame.
7 For you therefore that believe is the preciousness: but for such as disbelieve, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner;
8 and, A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence; for they stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for [God's] own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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News Item12/27/07 7:43 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
savedbygrace wrote:
Petra and Petros are two DIFFERENT words of the same root. The Biblical N.T. was written in Greek under God's inspiration. There is NO extant Aramaic manuscript in which Rome speculates(of course it needs some, albeit weak, reasoning to attempt to control)had underlaid the Greek which the Holy Spirit inspired.
SBG
If I might add a little here. Our Catholic 'friends' claim their Popes are successors of Peter

IF THIS WAS TRUE

Don't you think they would have taught the same things he (and the apostles taught) and lived the same way they lived...humbly and even married. Apparently they haven't followed very good in either Peter's teaching (he would have never claimed Christians worship the Arab Moon god) or his humble example (I seriously doubt if Peter would have lived in a Palace and had Christian people bow and kneww before him).

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News Item12/27/07 1:57 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Joseph and Lance,

Rome is full of deceitful scholarship and unbiblical doctrine. Petra and Petros are two DIFFERENT words of the same root. The Biblical N.T. was written in Greek under God's inspiration. There is NO extant Aramaic manuscript in which Rome speculates(of course it needs some, albeit weak, reasoning to attempt to control)had underlaid the Greek which the Holy Spirit inspired. There is a lot more but time is limited and you might want to do a little homework on the Aramaic word, Shu'a' along with, Ke'pha'(since you love to keep quoting Aramaic as if you knew it actually existed.)

"Opera Of Soap, Concerning The Pope."

No light in Rome.
Not even a flicker.
That ill-fated dome.
Never had a vicar.

Office of elder or deacon.
In the Word "inspired".
A vain mortal a-speaken.
The "religious" have conspired.

JOHN 3:36

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News Item12/26/07 8:30 PM
preacherjond  Find all comments by preacherjond
Joseph wrote:
It seems however much we try to instruct others about our misunderstood faith, nothing will work.
Joseph, I might remind you that you are speaking to several former well taught and instructed catholics who have learned the TRUTH. How you get that we misunderstand the roman religion, when we all grew up in it, it was ingrained in us, taught to us from birth all the way to adulthood, HOW CAN YOU SAY WE DON"T UNDERSTAND IT?
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News Item12/26/07 7:06 PM
Lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lyn
Joseph;
I have been convicted by the Holy Spirit that there is no way you can understand God's word apart from accepting His plan of salvation. It is pointless to continue to argue back and forth over doctrine, the only way you'll come to realize His truth is by confessing your sins and turning from them, and being born again. This is a spiritual re-birth that only God gives. He alone gives a new heart and a new spirit to anyone who humbles themselves before Him and sincerely seeks Him with their whole heart. {Ezekiel 11:19} What should be the reaction of the people when God's word is preached? "But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they would have turned them from their evil way and from the evil of their doings" {Jeremiah 23:22}. If your priest, preacher, pastor bishop, or whatever title they claim preaches to you and your heart isn't affected, you are sitting under false teaching...
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News Item12/26/07 5:24 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
GG wrote:
While we may or may not have a certain amount of trust in the Church that Jesus built upon the Rock called Peter, our faith is only in the Lord.
GG
No! Look at your religion, GG! Not matter how loudly you claim your faith is in the Lord your religion betrays you as even your beloved Pope John Paul II didn't find the Jesus of the Catholic Religion good enough to save Him, one we Bible Believing non-Catholics have been trying to tell you isn't at all the real Jesus God Himself identifies and reveals in His Holy Written Word the Bible, the Only One Mighty to save sinners.

GG,
Your religion betrays you for even in Catholicism they know whatever Jesus they believe in somehow is so pathetic he must have his mother's help and the help of sacraments and indulgences and finally he must let sincere Catholic people supposedly suffer in Purgatory for their own sins.

GG
Not to be mean to you but you've really got yourself some Jesus in Catholicism and No! Your faith really isn't in the Lord at all but in a pathetic weak counterfeit. Please turn to Jesus as He truly is, as God identifies Him in Scripture. Why to not do so is horrible sin against Him who loved you and died for you to save you from your sins.

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News Item12/26/07 5:14 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Joseph wrote:
Matthew simply changed the word "petra" to "petros" because "petra" is feminine and you can't give a feminine name to a man.
Precisely. Arguments based on the grammatical forms of the Greek words lead nowhere.

Jesus wasn't speaking Greek.

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News Item12/26/07 4:50 PM
Christ is Lord  Find all comments by Christ is Lord
Joseph, note the masculine Petros/Peter as opposed to the feminine Petra/rock, makes a big difference in how the scripture is to be interpreted. Lyn is correct in her explanation of this passage; the solidity and consistency of petra is what Christ builds upon, this type of foundation withstands the crashing waves of sin. It is pictoral, not literal. Peter:Strong # 4074
Petros-pe'-tros-part of speech-proper masculine noun. Root word [etymology]
apparently a primary word
TDNT Reference 6:100,835
Outline of Biblical Usage

Peter = "a rock or a stone"
1)one of the twelve disciples of Jesus
ROCK: Strong # 4073

petra-Pronunciation-pe'-trä (Key)Part of Speech-feminine noun-Root Word (Etymology)from the same as G4074
Outline of Biblical Usage
1)a rock, cliff or ledge
a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground
2)b) a rock, a large stone
3)c) metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul

...From Blueletterbible.org

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News Item12/26/07 4:38 PM
brother Michael  Find all comments by brother Michael
Joseph wrote:
It seems however much we try to instruct others about our misunderstood faith, nothing will work.
Joseph - What you you trying to instruct us in about your "misunderstood" faith? That we need to bow down to statues of Mary and wee little baby Jesus and pray the rosary? That we need to go to a man to obtain forgiveness of sins? That we need to literally eat Jesus Christ to receive him? That we need to go to Mass every Sunday lest we commit a mortal sin? That we need to support a system of indulgences as payment for sin?

No, thanks but no thanks. And contrary to your false statement, we do know Rome and know it well and you know this to be true. The problem is not that we do not know Rome, the problem is that we do not know it as you want it to be known. But that will never happen for the Lord's sheep as they hear his voice and a stranger they will not follow.

Rome is a dead system of works that will never save. One thing is for sure, if you do not forsake this idolatrous system while you have breath left then on the day of judgment, ignorance you will not be able to plead.

In Christ Jesus alone the Solid Rock and the ONLY Holy Father in Heaven above.

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News Item12/26/07 4:00 PM
lyn | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by lyn
So Joseph, you are telling me Christ is building His church on a mortal, sinful man, saved by His grace, yes, but nonetheless, a man. A Holy God is building His perfect church on an imperfect man. I don't think so friend, Christ is using the meaning of the word 'rock', the solid foundation it stands for and provides, to paint a picture of the type of foundation His church stands upon. When will the Catholic church quit exalting men and seek the Lord solely, giving Him all the glory He so richly deserves??? To think that Peter is the foundation of the church is insane, and an insult to Christ, who alone builds the church; as each one becomes born again, they are added to the church, like living stones. NO Where in scripture does man or should man,or woman ever be exalted above Christ, or given credit for His work...
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News Item12/26/07 3:28 PM
Wayne M. | British Columbia, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Joseph,

You have not answered yet whether you understand justification.

Rome does not believe in biblical justification or else they wouldn't need the Mass, purgatory, etc to atone for sins. One cannot be saved unless and until one understands and believes that Jesus died for them personally and paid the full price for their sins. You can deceive yourself that Rome will get you into heaven, but unless you believe the biblical gospel that Jesus died for you and reject the false gospel of Rome, you will get a shock on judgement day.

Justification does not to mean to make one holy. It is not a process, as Rome may teach, but it is an instantaneous act of God, applied without delay to the unsanctified sinner as soon as he believes. He is regarded by God as if he were perfectly righteous.

Justification is not a term meaning to make one holy. It is a legal description. When a judge in a court pronounces someone as innocent, he is not making him innocent. They already are. When God justifies the sinner who believes in what Christ did for him, he declares him righteous based on the imputed righteousness of Christ. (Info from Williamson's book on WCF)See Romans

It might come as a shock to some, but God declares righteous those who are really ungodly. (Rom 4:5; 3:19-24)

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