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Pope Benedict XVI invited a delegation of senior Muslim personalities, who signed an appeal for greater dialogue between religions, to a meeting at the Vatican, according to a letter released Thursday.
The pope praised the "positive spirit" behind the October 11 message signed by 138 top Muslims from around the world and sent to Christian leaders, said Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone in the letter sent in Pope Benedict's name.
The pope wanted to meet a representative group of the signatories at the Vatican, he added in the letter sent to Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal, head of the Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman.
"The Pope has asked me to convey his gratitude to Your Royal Highness and to all who signed the letter," Bertone wrote....
Don't forget to use Scripture to interpret Scripture when defining the enemies of the church. Scott Hahn is trying his duty best to be a good reformed Catholic, but he is leaving a lot to be desired when he uses tradition to interpret Scripture.
Before you know it I think he will migrate to Judiaism as he is really mastering the ceremonial laws. Where the Reformers explained they have been ended on the cross, he and Rome are bringing them back into a new Prophecy!
Sounds like the Pre-mills in many ways. Maybe VanImpe will join hands with Hahn.
Walt, the Catholic Church is often spoken as a woman -- as the Bride of Christ.
The RCC is considered to be mentioned in chapter 12 of the Book of Revelation: the woman clothed with the sun. This is also thought to refer to Mary, but I believe (and I'm no expert) it is principally the Church.
The beasts, woman in scarlet, etc. are the enemies of the Church.
Lance, come on now, you sound like some of the Protestants on this site who cannot stand historical testimony. History seems to be a big waste of time for some on here, and only clouds their judgment.
But, there is nothing wrong with looking at the history of the Papal Nuncio and see how they dress in purple, and what amazing diplomatic powers with the European Union beast, as well as the rest of the world, they yield. She is a women well represented around the world would you not say Lance! Is it ok if I call the Roman Catholic Church a woman?
Indeed Lance, you have totally bought and sold your love for the Papacy, and I cannot for the life of me understand why people ignore history and Scripture.
The blood coming from Rome is so deep throughout the generations, and yet people absolutely cannot stand to research and study the history of the church of Christ and her advisary Antichrist.
Lance, I know how much it pains you to see a former Catholic like myself be overly critical of Rome. It hurts my parents as well who really firmly believe how can over 1 billion Catholics be wrong, and a large handful of Covenanters and Reformed Presbyterians be right about her being AntiChrist and the woman that rides the beast!
A concordat is a treaty. From time to time the RCC makes a concordat with a government when that government is showing signs of hostility towards the Church. The concordat is supposed to be an agreement that the Church has certain rights and freedoms.
After a concordat is signed, the government doesn't inevitably keep its side of the bargain.
Why does the papal nuncio wear purple?
I don't know. Maybe it's so that people idly thumbing through the Book of Revelation can make random connections that highlight their ignorance.
"This often included both recognition and privileges for the Catholic Church in a particular country. Privileges might include influence on the structure and direction of state education, exemptions from certain legal matters and processes, and issues such as taxation and government funding directed to the Church, as well as the ability of a state to influence the selection of bishops within its territory. Although formally the name concordat was last used in 1980, secular organisations still report the use of concordats and similar type agreements between the Catholic Church and both national countries and bodies such as the EU."
What about Papal Nuncio? Why are they dressed in Purple?
"Nuncio is an ecclesiastical diplomatic title, derived from the ancient Latin Nuntius, meaning any envoy. This article treats that title as well as derived similar titles, all in the Roman Catholic Church."
"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" (Rev.17:4)
How many aliases does Yamil have? If you can answer this riddle, then perhaps you will understand my answer. Almost all of Revelation is a parable, and as parables they use figurative language requiring an interpretation from the Word of God (not the newspaper like Hal Lindsey). If you think it is literal, then I suppose you'll be waiting for the literal locusts, beasts, golden censers, seas becoming blood, dragons, serpents, eagles, or maybe you can catch a falling star and put it in your pocket.
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Of course a person can be a Christian if he isn't Dispensational that isn't the dividing line between who is Christian and not, q.v.
"The Dividing Line Between Truth And Error"
Hebrews 4: 12For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and quick to discern the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Why do Christians deem it necessary to dispute 'pre-mil', 'post-mil', etc.? We like labels; Calvinist, dispensationalist,so on and so forth. What about this one...a servant of Jesus Christ!! Isn't this the ONLY label we should deem important? People are dying and going to hell, and we 'proud, arrogant, educated' Christians are too caught up blogging each other and disputing over who has the proper 'take' on scripture...we have taken something simple, yet powerful, the word of God, and made it into a complicated, confusing, ineffective mess. May God have mercy on us...
Rev. 20: 14And death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death, even the lake of fire.
Scofield wrote: second death Second death, Summary: "The second death" and the "lake of fire" are identical terms re 20:14 and are used of the eternal state of the wicked. It is "second" relative to the preceding physical death of the wicked in unbelief and rejection of God; their eternal state is one of eternal "death" (i.e. separation from God) in sins joh 8:21,24. That the second death is not annihilation is shown by a comparison of ; re 19:20; re 20:10. After one thousand years in the lake of fire the Beast and False Prophet are still there, undestroyed....
ISBE"The Protestant church, beginning with Luther, has at all times rejected this allegorizing and adhered to the safe and sane principle, practiced by Christ and the entire New Testament, namely, Sensum ne inferas, sed efferas ("Do not carry a meaning into (the Scriptures) but draw it out of (the Scriptures)").
"The understanding of the millenium is figurative." This is where so many people run into trouble. If you can just willy-nilly state what is literal and what is figurative, who sets the standard?
Do we then make figurative Jesus' statement that He "is the way, the truth, and the life"; and that no man comes to the Father but by Him? You know, maybe He was just saying that as long as He is part of a religion that it is close enough. Would you buy that?
The Bible uses figurative words when it is a figurative picture. Otherwise, we would do best to go with the literal meaning of a text. Wouldn't you agree?
P. S. I'm sure you'll pull some rabbit out of your hat that wil try to disprove my point. Give it a whirl
Just Wondering wrote: R. K., Just wondering, You said, "I believe we are in the millenium now." If we are in the Millenium now, why doesn't it line up with what the Bible has to say about this time period? You know, "beating their swords into plowshares", and "the wolf shall lay down with the lamb". In the Millenial kingdom, sickness will be healed immediately and justice will be just and swift because Jesus will be reigning from the throne of His ancestor, David. Don't you agree? Just wondering
I think that you confuse your imagery of heaven with the millenium and OT prophesy. The understanding of the millenium is figurative. It must be understood in the light of "This is the first resurrection".
The first resurrection is the Christians "new birth". . . "Buried with him in baptism wherein also you are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raise him from the dead. And you being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh hath he quickened together with him having forgiven you all trespasses."
Christ's resurrection and ours with him is The First Resurrection. Those who are in Christ will not see the Second Death.
Look around my friend, Satan is deceiving the nations.
You said, "I believe we are in the millenium now." If we are in the Millenium now, why doesn't it line up with what the Bible has to say about this time period? You know, "beating their swords into plowshares", and "the wolf shall lay down with the lamb". In the Millenial kingdom, sickness will be healed immediately and justice will be just and swift because Jesus will be reigning from the throne of His ancestor, David. Don't you agree?
Seaton wrote: I keep asking this question and don't get an answer to it. WHY does God need another 1000 years to work out life in eternity? Is it something to do with you folks doing salvation by works??? Ps I am a good "AMill"
Seaton Why don't you ask Him? He God Himself moved the apostle John to write for us the Book of Revelation so I would think we could humbly accept that it reveals what He has purposed to do in bringing into literal fulfillment all of what He has warned of and graciously promised in Jesus Christ.
BTW Roman Catholics have been quick to point out they also do not believe in a Book of Revelation as Prophecy with literal fulfillment either.
"Good" that would be only by the grace of God Pre-Trib Baptist.
Every Christian should be a pre-millenialist, "Eschatology"
But again concentrating on his Unholiness, is ever the politician, he seems to have forgotten the quote that he made,'Emperor Manual II Paleologos of the Byzantine Empire,"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Mona Charen had an interesting view of the letter,"About that Muslim Letter to the Pope"
Michael Hranek wrote: You might want to humbly and prayerfully read Revelation once again as it doesn't take a rocket scientist of a theologian to see the beast and false prophet are before the millenium in the Book of Revelation.
I keep asking this question and don't get an answer to it. WHY does God need another 1000 years to work out life in eternity? Is it something to do with you folks doing salvation by works???