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Choice News MONDAY, NOV 26, 2007  |  78 comments
7 of 10 Americans Prefer 'Merry Christmas' Over 'Happy Holidays'
When Americans go Christmas shopping, many prefer to see stores use the traditional phrase “Merry Christmas” in their seasonal advertising rather than “Happy Holidays,” a new poll found.

The survey released by Rasmussen Reports after the Thanksgiving holiday showed that 67 percent of Americans favor “Merry Christmas” while only 26 percent would choose “Happy Holidays.”

The poll results were the same for men and women and presented few demographic differences.


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News Item12/17/07 9:42 AM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
The Lone Ranger wrote:
GG,
It's my observation that no fundamentalist Bible believer adhere's strictly to Scripture Alone. It quickly becomes what the pastor says, what history says, what "I" believe the Bible says, etc. I don't know how they get off telling Catholics they are wrong when they can't agree among themselves what's rigt. The burden of proof is on them, not Catholics. As for Luther and the Deuts, he proposed James be removed...possibly Revelation also and recommended that one struggling with temptation commit a "minor" sin to help thwart despair. That's a false gospel. Jesus did not die so people could commit sin and feel good about it!
Protestants have the liberty among themselves to disagree and diliberate thus challenging one another to draw closer to the truth. With the supreme prelacy of the RC, no one dare disagree with the infallibility of the Pontif (Caesar) who stands in the place of God himself.
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News Item12/16/07 9:31 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
A true man will admit when he is wrong and apologise to those he has offended. Are you a true man or are just a child in a man's body?
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News Item12/16/07 3:42 PM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
GG wrote:
I was not confused PreacherJonD, evidently as I charged in my post 12/12/07-11:02am - when you said, "they are all copied from the...corrupted mss as Rome's Bible.", its turned out that the corrupted ms was yours. You should apologise immediately.
I agree with the article, I insist on wishing everyone a "Merry Christmas". "Jesus is the reason for the season."
I have no reason to and will not apologize, and as I said in another thread, my discussions with you are through.

Merry Christmas to all.

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News Item12/16/07 9:05 AM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
GG wrote:
In the 21st century, one must rely on most Christian witnesses that can only be questioned in their writings or what others write about them. Another path to faith comes from personal experiences with God. Mere intellectual knowledge will not allay depression or terrific hurt in the middle of the night when the world closes in on you. Knowing the Bible is excellent comfort to those with the time to read. Having close friends and family is another way to gain the faith and strength that we all need. But faith based on a few "Propositions"? Evidently, you havn't been really tested yet!
GG,

Your response is typical of the mystics who generally describe union with God as an ineffable "experience". They assert that belief in propositional truth is "merely intellectual". But, belief in truth can not be something "merely", because with men this is impossible. The Biblical view of truth is that God communicates truth about Himself, man, and the world to men in words and propositions. The antithesis to this is compatible to Eastern religions, e.g. Hindu theology speaks of God in negative terms. The well known Hindu phrase when speaking of ultimate reality is "neti, neti" - not this, not this. In other words, God is beyond human thought.

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News Item12/15/07 11:14 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
TLR: Thank you for your words of encouragment. Its nice to have a wing-man when the bullets fly.
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News Item12/15/07 10:50 PM
The Lone Ranger  Find all comments by The Lone Ranger
GG,
It's my observation that no fundamentalist Bible believer adhere's strictly to Scripture Alone. It quickly becomes what the pastor says, what history says, what "I" believe the Bible says, etc. I don't know how they get off telling Catholics they are wrong when they can't agree among themselves what's rigt. The burden of proof is on them, not Catholics. As for Luther and the Deuts, he proposed James be removed...possibly Revelation also and recommended that one struggling with temptation commit a "minor" sin to help thwart despair. That's a false gospel. Jesus did not die so people could commit sin and feel good about it! Hang in there
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News Item12/15/07 9:26 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
I was not confused PreacherJonD, evidently as I charged in my post 12/12/07-11:02am - when you said, "they are all copied from the...corrupted mss as Rome's Bible.", its turned out that the corrupted ms was yours. You should apologise immediately.

I agree with the article, I insist on wishing everyone a "Merry Christmas". "Jesus is the reason for the season."

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News Item12/15/07 7:23 PM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
Moderator Alpha wrote:
Kevin and PreacherJonD,
If you desire to continue your discussion on 1 John 5:7; I ask that you do so in an appropriate thread. Since this is the Christmas season perhaps site visitors still have comments on the topic of this news item.
I would suggest this thread.
Thank you.
I apologize for getting off topic and causing confusion. And to all who were confused by our ramblings please forgive me.
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News Item12/15/07 7:11 PM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
Kevin and PreacherJonD,

If you desire to continue your discussion on 1 John 5:7; I ask that you do so in an appropriate thread and allow this thread to return to its topic. Since this is the Christmas season perhaps some of our visitors still have comments on this news item.

Your views on 1 John 5:7 are obviously important to you both and perhaps others can benefit from your exchange of views in further discussion. I would suggest continuing your discussion inthis thread.

Thank you.

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News Item12/15/07 6:40 PM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
Kevin, you can not read the Holy Bible without evidence of a triune God all throughout. To say that this was an invented church system doctrine is nonsense. The KJV rendering of 1John5:7 is one of the only verses that describe in detail of one God three persons. We have the manuscript evidence for the verse, so the only way we can verify is with other scripture.

Certainly we see the trinity of the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, in Matthew 3:16-17, Mark 1:10-11, Luke 3:21-22, the first chapter of John, and many other verses, but even in the very first verses of Genesis do we see the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost.

So no matter whether any "fathers"(and Jesus says to give no man the spiritual title of father-- Matthew 23:9)quoted it or not, the fact is that we have manuscript evidence, so we must compare scripture to scripture, and the case for this verse being in the Bible is overwhelming.

Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

Psalm 118:8 "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man."

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News Item12/15/07 3:53 PM
kevin | georgetown DE  Contact via emailFind all comments by kevin
You are correct “excuse me”.

Unfortunately many like to drift away from the topic. All I did was make a correction on manuscripts.

If you go back a read my prior comments, you will see that I stay focus on the topic at hand.
It really doesn’t bother me what is said, as far as Merry Christmas or Happy Holiday.

As a Christian, I do not worship the birth of Yahshua Messiah on Dec. 25. I have been teaching, from Scriptures, the correct date, in which our Heavenly Father set forth.

That is the date that I look forward too.

Kevin

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News Item12/15/07 2:28 PM
excuse me??!! | usa  Contact via emailFind all comments by excuse me??!!
What do any of these comments have to do with the news article? It appears many of you use this site to attack each other, some of you are quite sarcastic!!The clock is ticking...people are dying and going to hell, and what are we doing? Giving them the words of life? NO!!! We are arguing amongst ourselves as to who knows it all!!
Do you suppose if Christ were to return today, you would hear, "Well done, good and faithful servant", or "Depart from me you workers of iniquity, for I never knew you"? We who are born again, are to give the gospel to the lost; as for those who refuse to let go of man-made religiosity, as God said to those in Ephraim who clung to their idols,,,"Let them alone"...
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News Item12/15/07 11:48 AM
kevin | Georgetown DE  Contact via emailFind all comments by kevin
PreacherJonD

I am very familiar with av1611, in fact receive their newsletters.

However the fact remains that NO early church father spoke on this verse.

These words were added into the verse to make up a new church system doctrine.

The words, as they exist in all the Greek MSS. with the exception of the Codex Montfortii, are the following: -
“1Jo_5:6. This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth.

1Jo_5:7. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.

1Jo_5:9. If we receive the witness of man, the witness of God is greater, etc.”

The words that are omitted by all the MSS., the above excepted, and all the versions, the Vulgate excepted, are these: -
[In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one, and there are three which bear witness in earth.]

Kevin

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News Item12/15/07 11:33 AM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
Kevin, even though this verse disagrees with the majority, it is found in many more besides these two. This in no way implies that this verse should not be in our Bibles. Even the catholic scholar Jerome concluded that this verse should be included.

http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_1jo5_7.html (all one line)

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News Item12/15/07 7:11 AM
kevin | Georgetown DE  Contact via emailFind all comments by kevin
PreacherJonD, you need to be corrected on this verse:

I. It is missing in all the earlier Greek manuscripts, for it is found in no Greek manuscript written before the 16th century. Indeed, it is found in only two Greek manuscripts of any age - one the Codex Montfortianus, or Britannicus, written in the beginning of the sixteenth century, and the other the Codex Ravianus, which is a mere transcript of the text, taken partly from the third edition of Stephen’s New Testament, and partly from the Complutensian Polyglott. But it is incredible that a genuine passage of the New Testament should be missing in all the early Greek manuscripts.

II. It is missing in the earliest versions, and, indeed, in a large part of the versions of the New Testament which have been made in all former times. It is inadequate in both the Syriac versions - one of which was made probably in the first century; in the Coptic, Armenian, Slavonic, Ethiopic, and Arabic.

III. It is never quoted by the Greek fathers in their controversies on the doctrine of the Trinity - a passage which would be so much in point, and which could not have failed to be quoted if it were genuine.

Kevin

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News Item12/14/07 12:03 PM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
I wonder how much more plain 1John 5:7 has to be for him to understand it?
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News Item12/13/07 8:41 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
In the 21st century, one must rely on most Christian witnesses that can only be questioned in their writings or what others write about them. Another path to faith comes from personal experiences with God. Mere intellectual knowledge will not allay depression or terrific hurt in the middle of the night when the world closes in on you. Knowing the Bible is excellent comfort to those with the time to read. Having close friends and family is another way to gain the faith and strength that we all need. But faith based on a few "Propositions"? Evidently, you havn't been really tested yet!
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News Item12/12/07 11:55 AM
R. K. Borill | Baton Rouge, Louisiana  Protected NameFind all comments by R. K. Borill
GG wrote:
Your faith rests on what side of the bed you wake up on, and how you "FEEL" about things, not on facts, and not on the testimony of witnesses. Your faith if wind-blown and you decide the direction.
No my friend! Do not define my faith by your understanding of faith. Faith is agreement or assent to the truth. By your own previous admission, it is your understanding of faith that defines it as a mystical and inconsistent thing, as a feeling or experience. I said, mine rests on "propositional truth" that is immutable.

Mine rests on the rich content of God's revelation of Himself in the salvation He has provided through His Son who is the LOGOS (logic, thought, proposition, argument, word) of God. Pure feeling if it ever exists is non-moral. It provides no knowledge of the persons of God. But, the Bible, the Word of God does.

"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away.

But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preched unto you." 1 Pet. 1:24-25

"And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ."

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News Item12/12/07 11:02 AM
GG  Find all comments by GG
PreacherJonD: So where is the term "Trinity" and where does it explain how three persons can be one God? My Bible(NAB) says "Thus there are three that testify". I wonder if this is another Prot case of man "adding words" to God's scripture? Thats a no-no...you know!
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News Item12/12/07 10:51 AM
PreacherJonD.  Find all comments by PreacherJonD.
The doctrine of the Trinity is taught in Scripture in 1John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one..". BTW in your official catholic bible, the "New American Bible" this verse is missing.

(It is also missing in NIV, NASB, NRSV, and most modern translations for they are all copied from the same line of corrupted manuscripts as Rome's Bible.)

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