London (CNSNews.com) - It's time for Britain to recognize that it is no longer a Christian nation and should embrace multiculturalism, according to a liberal think-tank favored by Prime Minister Gordon Brown.
Christmas should be just one of many religious holidays recognized by the government, says a report soon to be released by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR).
Echoing sentiments heard throughout Britain in recent years, the authors of the report say that the traditional pillars of British identity have now vanished or been greatly weakened.
Church attendance is at historically low levels, the British Empire is gone, the monarchy is far less popular and the Second World War is inexorably slipping into memory....
Thank you Moderator Alpha for your gracious response and truly wise comment.
Norman, what a blessing to read your dear mother is converted. What a joy to think she will soon be with her Lord and Savior and enjoy that unspeakable joy of the fullness of His presence and that sure promise in Revelation 21: 4. I read yesterday that Queen Victoria wanted those attending her funeral to dress in white-She KNEW she was going to be with the Lord and wanted others to understand her joy! My own elderly mother has so many health problems yet she as yet has no thoughts of eternity-so it is wonderful to know of your own mum. Also thinking of Michael H's mum too.
In your evangelising have you come across the ministry of 'the street preacher' Rev James R Hamilton (Stoke on trent). You should make contact as he will prove a great blessing. He has a number of tracts not listed on his website that might be worth a look at. Email him from the website link as he will be the greatest encouragement to your street witness!
Pity all posts were not more Christ centred...a prayerful interest in others and mutual encouragement even though we might disagree on some things!
Kenny ! my dear brother in the Lord,i think of you often.
Thankyou for your gracious comments regarding mum. She IS the Lords and bears a remarkable testimony,for she has had numerous bodily ailments including aggressive cancer,including a masectomy,and now has it in her liver.
She has shingles at the moment,plus problems with radiotheraoy,and is basically in bed now on high morphine to releive the pain,and drifts in and out of sleep.
You may like to know that since i went self employed at the beginning of the year praying the Lord to fill my diary, if it was His will,i have now reached 49 customers. he giveth and taketh away!
Recently,i have set up a stall in various places with free gospel calendars (Words of life,Joyful news,Revival Movement,and railway mission) plus gospel tracts.
So far,in 4 locations ,76 calendars have been taken. even those who stop,look,and dont take a calendar,still read Gods word which wont return unto Him void !
Finally,the Lord uses me in outdoor preaching as well as placard carrying. All praise to His glorious name,as i am such an unworthy,weak vessell.
Thankyou for sharing your testimony,may the Lord continue to bless you and your dear family Kenny.
I will be remembering your mother and your family in prayer. I'm very sorry to hear that she is ill.
She must be a good lady to have a great guy like you for a son.
For what it's worth: I went to an x-mass function at my church last year much like the one you described and I have regretted it since. I really enjoyed the fellowship and fun but I knew it was wrong. It was intended to be an evengelistic gathering but it was an enormous flop.
I do buy my wife, kids and a few friends something nice around the holidays but that's it. No tree, decorations, etc. Also, if you pay attention, most of the 'carols' are filled with doctrinal error.
The church that I attended was/is filled with some wonderful Christian people but misguided in some areas. My wife & I have since stopped attending the church.
I know there is nothing I can say to express the sorrow I feel for your mothers health, may the Lord comfort you
Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't know you, but I know family can be the harddess to talk to about salvation, my guess from just this short passing I had with you is she knows the Lord Jesus, as I feel you do also Norman
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
I always new there was a God, never went to church, growing up, never spoke about God in our home, unless somthing needed to be damned. But I still remember Linus, on charlie brown christmas , when he read that from Luke, Didn't know it was from the Bible, I just knew I liked it.
I think you can tell somthing is different with the world at christmas time, sure the world doesn't know Him so they don't know how to show praise, but they know there is money to be had.
I pray that anything I say about God is true, the Bible says do not worry about what you will say.
The singing, the santa/worldly songs, don't sing them. There are some secular christmas songs that do praise God, hymns only, I think thats a man made rule, not saying its a bad thing to sing hymns all the time, I like CCM music, (forgive me) I know not everything they sing is Biblical, but thats what church, and elders are for. I don't go to song for my doctrine, I go to Gods word. The music helps keep my mind on God, I think thats what a christian should do.
Norman its our day, if the world wants to join in, fine. Go with the church, enjoy talking, singing, the fellowship.
God knows you heart, and that includes why your out there. You are in the world, just not of it.
7And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
15And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.
16And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
17And when they had seen it, they made known abroad
Norman Smith wrote: I would like a bit of advice please,from anyone,no matter what persuasion. The church i belong to plan to have an open air Carol Singing session on Dec.15th.They will also be preaching and handing out gospel tracts. I kind of feel that i should not join with them, because of the history and roots of *Christmas*.
Norman Every now and then, far and few in between the comments on this site one catches both my eye, and my heart, you did just that. I've heard all the stuff about the tree, santa, the gifts, I listen to Pastor Mike Slattery at times on sermon audio, he really gets into history, I like what he says most of the time, and if you hear him he has no love for Easter, Christmas, Halloween, all for the most part papel made up holy days. True as what he may say is, the Bible I don't think matches, somewhat so but not completely, so I go with the Bible. I think a christian should have only one opinion, Christ like only. So I give you this, (Cont)
Must wait for another comment, rules, SA is under the law, I guess.
Spiritually alive Calvinist wrote: Apologies as I wasn't aware that it was censored when I used such and only refering to myself in the sense that it is what certain individuals have addressed ALL calvinists collectively (which included me).
No apology is necessary and I understand your point completely. It is unfortunate that catchy lines which serve no purpose but to insult the opposition are ever introduced into these threads but when they are they can spread live a virus if not curbed. Many posts have been removed because of this and seeing the term in the moniker of a victim was the prompt we needed to block the term altogether.
We encourage spirited discussions and invite any and all to contribute to the discussions within the reasonable rules of the forum regardless of their theological bent so don't let this unfortunate incident discourage you from further participation.
Seaton wrote: Hi Norman. Now you know me I'm a nasty ole Calvinist. Well at least so I'm advised on the site. ...
Seaton I can hardly believe I am doing this but I would like to tell you I appreciate your encouragement to Norman Smith. I am not saying I agree with you on Calvinism nor that the precious brother in England do what you've encouraged him to without a peace in his heart about it, which the Lord may have used your comment to give him, but Wow! Thank you for your post.
Brother Norman God bless you! I will not presume to tell you what to do or not but if after Seaton's post or listening to others and praying about the matter please be encourage to do whatever the Lord has given you peace about.
Norman Smith wrote: The church i belong to plan to have an open air Carol Singing session on Dec.15th.They will also be preaching and handing out gospel tracts. I kind of feel that i should not join with them, because of the history and roots of *Christmas*.
Hi Norman. Now you know me I'm a nasty ole Calvinist. Well at least so I'm advised on the site. But may I humbly proffer the following on your request.
a] You are in communion with your church. b] The message you will take to the folks on the street will be "The True Meaning of Christmas - The Birth of our Saviour" c] Gospel teaches us that this event was celebrated by the Host of Heaven. "And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. (Luk 2:13/14) d] As for carol singing - well I'm a Psalm singer. ('nuff said) But obviously you accept the hymn line. e] As for "roots" of Christmas? The usual arguement is pagan roots sanctified into a Christian production. But thats not what your heart or intention is in witness, nor the task of the Holy Spirit leading you to any individual on the street.
May God do ALL the work wherever your church serves.
It depends on your scriptural understanding of xmas. You might have read much on the subject but I think A W Pink on 'xmas' is very good if you haven't seen it and it has a scripture at the begining. You say you already have some doubts, that alone would prevent me from being involved-a troubled conscience.
There are another 300 plus days to preach the gospel but that said I can understand why ministers who have nothing to do with xmas and do not exchange gifts etc would still preach on Christ's birth during this time of year whilst giving no credence to the Saviour being born on December 25th! Just to refute the false christ-mass and use the opportunity to preach the TRUE CHRIST.
If you are convinced that xmas is wrong tell your church friends and they will appreciate your honesty, tell them you still want to hand out gospel tracts before and after the carol singing, but you do not want to be part of the singing!
Try the Pink tract and let me know what you think of such as it would be a help to see how christians view such.
Thanks Norman Smith! Check the link again and click on are you a good person. That too is a very good test for you to use in your witness. God bless you. You might like many Calvinist evangelistic sites eg http://www.livingwaters.com/index.shtml with one or two reservations.
Interestingly there is a post November 5th on sermonaudio Heretic Among The Chosen
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 05, 2007 Posted by: FreeGraceRadio.com | PLEASE READ IT ALL
'Sometimes men are found heretics because they love to stir up trouble among Godâs people. Some people just cannot stand peace. They introduce entirely useless issues into the minds of Godâs people and spread suspicion and controversy among the sheep.'
Why is that so many want to come onto sermonaudio and attack what is probably 80% content of the site i.e. Calvinism. Who is really stirring up trouble? Those who hold to the doctrines of grace? I speak as a Free Presbyterian-a denomination which has many out in the mission field and is a Christ centred gospel witnessing Calvinist church.
Time we checked out what 'heresy' actually is BEFORE we call others.
An interesting study.
Remember if you have used the term Calvs 'are heretics'? :thumb
Apologies as I wasn't aware that it was censored when I used such and only refering to myself in the sense that it is what certain individuals have addressed ALL calvinists collectively (which included me). My link is to another calvinist evangelical site from me a calvinist. Yes it is regrettable that certain individuals can post such but is it not they who are 'crude' rather than that word? Why not ban the persistent 'crude' individual instead?
Used in the right context the word is as legitimate as 'spiritually dead' By banning the term (as used by 'Calvinist haters' in the wrong context) then true believers are unable to prove the false attacks by making reference to such comments attacking God's people, whilst 'they' continue to attack God's people with the legitimate langauge eg of 'heretic'- which is far more unacceptable than the banned word if rightly considered.
If all Calvinists are 'heretics' then sermonaudio is in trouble from Spurgeon's daily reading to the majority of those sound ministries that contribute sermons. Why not ban all who claim those who hold to the doctrines of grace are HERETICS? Far more serious and 'crude'
'Another ***** **** Calvinist, Thank you for your post but please do not use the censored term in your moniker...