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SATURDAY, OCT 20, 2007  |  124 comments
WCC and Pentecostals continue ecumenical dialogue
A second round of dialogue between World Council of Churches (WCC) members and Pentecostals was inaugurated last week in Baar, Switzerland.

A group of seventeen Protestant, Orthodox and Pentecostal Christians met to re-launch the work begun by the first Joint Consultative Group between the WCC and Pentecostals from 2000 to 2005.

In reflecting on the importance of the meeting, Cecil M. Robeck Jr., professor of church history and ecumenics at Fuller Theological Seminary, who returns as the Pentecostal co-moderator of the group, said ‚Äúthis meeting has given us a very good start on the next five years of our work together‚ÄĚ.

Jennifer S. Leath, African Methodist Episcopal Church (USA), who serves as the WCC co-moderator of the group, said she hopes that it will ‚Äúcontinue to grow in mutual understanding and will not shy away from difficult questions or challenges for unity‚ÄĚ. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You have to remember that it appears that Pentecostals want to join with everybody, q.v., The Charismatics' Role in Ecumenism, because they have such a messed up theology, if you can even call Charismatic Chaos a Christian theology. They like movement such as The Promise Keepers.
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News Item5/8/13 1:27 PM
Glenn McNease | Memphis Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Glenn McNease
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Dunno,
Glen Mcnease appears to be an adherent of William Branham's writings:
"They believe that William Branham was a 'Word prophet', and that his spoken and written words are the complete and correct interpretation of the Bible necessary for the "Bride" before the Rapture."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Branham
It's my opinion that Mr. Branham fell into heresy and spread more heresies. You can decide for yourself by looking up information about him.
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News Item11/1/07 10:37 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Dunno,
Glen Mcnease appears to be an adherent of William Branham's writings:

"They believe that William Branham was a 'Word prophet', and that his spoken and written words are the complete and correct interpretation of the Bible necessary for the "Bride" before the Rapture."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Branham

It's my opinion that Mr. Branham fell into heresy and spread more heresies. You can decide for yourself by looking up information about him.

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News Item11/1/07 2:42 PM
joanie | halifax  Contact via emailFind all comments by joanie
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Man's will is not free until it is set free by the faith in the Gospel. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free," and as one Apostle confesses we are "born not of the will of man but of God."
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News Item10/28/07 1:46 AM
Dunno  Find all comments by Dunno
glenn mcnease writes: "if you want to read perfect "Vindicated Answers" to questions concerning both calvinism and aremianism then obtain 2 books "Conduct order and Doctrine" questions and answers from Voice of GOD RECORDINGS by Brother William Marrion Branham.....dare not blaspheme what He said or had printed for such will never be forgiven in this world or the world to come "

Another heretic to whom we must turn to get instruction!!

Does anyone else think with me that Satan has been loosed?

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News Item10/27/07 9:26 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Thanks Walt. Whether it's fear or anything else, one is not free until free indeed by the will of God according to the power of the liberating Gospel which sets captives free. Christ was sent to bring deliverance and liberty to captives. He tells the church to do the same. If people are already free there is no need for a Savior or a church that preaches repentance and the remission of sins.
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News Item10/27/07 10:46 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Papist wrote:
As I'm aware, the Catholic Church has neither taken a fully Calvinist stance in the matters of Predestination/Free Will, nor have they taken any Arminian stance.
Papist
I've never corresponded with you before unless you've used a different moniker.

That said between you and me this "Calvinism vs Arminianism" thing misses the whole point when it comes to Roman Catholicism

You have a different god CCC 841 the same god as the Muslims

You have a different jesus, the little baby your apparitions hold or the lifeless piece of bread Catholics bow to and worship

You have a different gospel, jesus died to give you a second chance and if you are good enough, if his momma helps you enough, if you take enough sacraments or if you can purchase enough indulgences you will finally after purgatory (which doesn't exist) make it to heaven.

The bottom lines to all this is that
Ye must be born again.
and that is something that simply doesn't happen if the sprinkling of the Roman Catholic version of baptism

You need to know FROM THE BIBLE
Who God truly is
Where you stand with Him and why
Who Jesus Christ truly is
What He did by Himself alone to save you

then to
Repent and believe in Him
and be born again

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News Item10/27/07 6:36 AM
Spiritual  Find all comments by Spiritual
Abigail wrote:
Luk 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
Fear is the driving force behind all acts of society‚ÄĒfear of what people think, fear of the future, fear of starvation, fear of robbers, fear of the enemy, fear of cataclysmic events, fear of disease, and fear of war.
The Holy Spirit sets the saints free from the bondage of fear. Being free from the bondage of fear is to be free indeed‚ÄĒfreedom to serve the Lord our God in Spirit and in truth‚ÄĒwithout fear of what man can do unto us. As the beloved Apostle John wrote, "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the S
WOW! Amen a thousand times over!! You have a more insightful and far-reaching view of the nature of gospel freedom than I've seen in any of the endless hordes of theological savants. Only we who fear God, can understand the weightiness and significance of these vital truths. What a blessing to have you for a sibling!!
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News Item10/27/07 5:20 AM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
Abigail wrote:

"Being free from the bondage of fear is to be free indeed‚ÄĒfreedom to serve the Lord our God in Spirit and in truth‚ÄĒwithout fear of what man can do unto us."

Notice how the Arminian capitalizes the word "Spirit" but reduces the word "truth". Worshiping God in Spirit AND TRUTH is always ignored by the Arminian.

"OWEN, JOHN
A Display of Arminianism: Being A Discovery of the Old Pelagian Idol of Free Will, With the New Goddess Contingency Advancing Themselves Into the Throne of the God of Heaven, to the Prejudice of His Grace, Providence, and Supreme Dominion Over the Children of Men...

This was Owen's first publication (1642) and immediately brought him into notice. It contains numerous useful charts contrasting Arminian doctrines, from some of their major teachers, with those of Scripture (Calvinism) in a side-by-side format. Owen leaves no room for compromise with Arminianism as he shows why this is, when sincerely believed, a dangerous, devilish and damnable heresy!"

Traditions of the Elders Versus True Worship (Against Arminianism and the Spirit of Antichrist in Worship) (Mark #31) by Greg Price

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11405144631

"Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king." 1Pet.2:7

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News Item10/27/07 1:48 AM
Abigail | Oregon  Contact via emailFind all comments by Abigail
Faith Remnant

Your Post
"Man's will is not free until it is set free by the faith in the Gospel. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free," and as one Apostle confesses we are "born not of the will of man but of God."
Man's will is not free until it is set free by the faith in the Gospel. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free," and as one Apostle confesses we are "born not of the will of man but of God."
_____

Luk 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

Fear is the driving force behind all acts of society‚ÄĒfear of what people think, fear of the future, fear of starvation, fear of robbers, fear of the enemy, fear of cataclysmic events, fear of disease, and fear of war.

The Holy Spirit sets the saints free from the bondage of fear. Being free from the bondage of fear is to be free indeed‚ÄĒfreedom to serve the Lord our God in Spirit and in truth‚ÄĒwithout fear of what man can do unto us. As the beloved Apostle John wrote, "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the S

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News Item10/26/07 10:11 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Papist wrote:
As I'm aware, the Catholic Church has neither taken a fully Calvinist stance in the matters of Predestination/Free Will, nor have they taken any Arminian stance. They simply insist that Man's will is free
Man's will is not free until it is set free by the faith in the Gospel. "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free," and as one Apostle confesses we are "born not of the will of man but of God."
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News Item10/26/07 4:40 PM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
"Says Rutherford in this letter, 'Know that I am in great heaviness for the pitiful case of our Lord's Kirk. I hear the cause why Dr. Burton is committed to prison is his writing and preaching against Arminians. I therefore entreat the aid of your prayers for myself, and the Lord's captives of hope, and for Zion. The Lord hath let and daily lets me see how deep furrows Arminianism and the followers of it draw upon the back of God's Israel -- but our Lord cut the cords of the wicked! Arminianism was not more rampant than it is now in England, Scotland, and our own North American continent. Let us not think that the malignant spirit of persecution that moved the Arminians -- led by Bishop Sydserff, Archbishop Laud, and others -- died at the end of the Covenanting struggles of long ago. The Arminians of today hold precisely the same false doctrines, and are just as relentlessly opposed to the absolute sovereignty of God and unconditional election as were the Arminians of old." (The Contender -- Nova Scotia, April, 1955.)

The quote above is taken from the book, ARMINIANISM: ANOTHER GOSPEL:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=106071354170

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News Item10/26/07 4:07 PM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
According to the papish doctrine of Intention,no papist can know if they have recieved a sacrament,therefore NO GRACE IN THE PAPIST.
If you think Im wrong challenge me on the doctrine

Good Job
Thats Why "ye must be born again"

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News Item10/26/07 3:37 PM
Papist | CA  Find all comments by Papist
Question: What to Arminians believe about Predestination and Efficacious Grace?

As I'm aware, the Catholic Church has neither taken a fully Calvinist stance in the matters of Predestination/Free Will, nor have they taken any Arminian stance. They simply insist that Man's will is free and that God's Grace is Efficacious (I believe those are the dogmatic stances). Therefore anything you say about Predestination is fine as long as you neither sacrifice the Freeness of the Human Will or the Effectiveness of God's Grace. I think there is no more said about it (except by individual groups within Catholicism) because in a large part it is a mystery how these two things can co-exist.

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News Item10/26/07 2:29 PM
Riposte  Find all comments by Riposte
Lance;

If Arminianism is the same as Jesuit Molinism as stated below then you have quite a few brothers in doctrine on the site. EG. Yamil, JD, Michael and Abigail to name but a few.
You and GG, should really feel more at home now.

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News Item10/26/07 2:08 PM
glenn mcnease | memphis  Contact via emailFind all comments by glenn mcnease
there is one unfailing sure fire way to know if one speaks THE TRUTH...when GOD confirms THE WORDS SPOKEN with signs and wonders following then rest assured it is correct...Mark 16 is true
Seaton wrote:
Lance, Me boyo
The Jesuit Doctrine of "Molinism" is just another title for Arminianism.
"What the Jesuits were loathe to admit, was that Molinism was nothing more than a rebirth of the ancient Pelagianism heresy, although it actually more easily likened to "Semi-Pelagianism" which contends that man cannot be saved apart from God's grace; however, fallen man must cooperate and assent to God's grace before he will be saved. The Jesuits recognized that the Protestants would never embrace the teachings of a Catholic Spanish monk, so they capitalized on the growing and open debates taking place within Protestantism. Molinism would be recast as Arminianism, and eventually, it would take over the ecclesiastical world. A famous quote from de Molina eerily fortells of the Jesuit lie that proceeds from the mouths of "evangelical" leaders today: "all human beings are endowed with equal and sufficient divine grace without distinction as to their individual merits, and that salvation depends on the sinner's willingness to receive grace"(M. Bunker)
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News Item10/26/07 12:59 PM
Seaton  Find all comments by Seaton
Lance Eccles wrote:
This sounds to me very much like a Protestant version of a "Jesuit" letter.
The Jesuits would have had no interest in planting Arminianism. To them it would have been just another heresy.
Lance, Me boyo
The Jesuit Doctrine of "Molinism" is just another title for Arminianism.

"What the Jesuits were loathe to admit, was that Molinism was nothing more than a rebirth of the ancient Pelagianism heresy, although it actually more easily likened to "Semi-Pelagianism" which contends that man cannot be saved apart from God's grace; however, fallen man must cooperate and assent to God's grace before he will be saved. The Jesuits recognized that the Protestants would never embrace the teachings of a Catholic Spanish monk, so they capitalized on the growing and open debates taking place within Protestantism. Molinism would be recast as Arminianism, and eventually, it would take over the ecclesiastical world. A famous quote from de Molina eerily fortells of the Jesuit lie that proceeds from the mouths of "evangelical" leaders today: "all human beings are endowed with equal and sufficient divine grace without distinction as to their individual merits, and that salvation depends on the sinner's willingness to receive grace"(M. Bunker)

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News Item10/26/07 10:33 AM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
"The Star Chamber "condemned the afflicted and aged divine to be degraded as a minister, to have one of his ears cut off, and one side of his nose slit, to be branded on the face with a red-hot iron, to stand in the pillory, to be whipped at a post, to pay a fine of £1,000 and to suffer imprisonment until the fine was paid. When this inhuman sentence was pronounced, Laud took off his hat, and holding up his hands, gave thanks to God who had given the Church victory over her enemies! The sentence was executed without mercy, and Leighton lay in prison till upwards of ten years. When liberated he could hardly walk, see, or hear. He died in 1649.

"In 1631, five years before he was condemned and banished to Aberdeen, Rutherford wrote to Marion McNaught from his parish at Anwoth concerning Dr. Henry Burton, whose footsteps he was later to follow. Says Rutherford in this letter, 'Know that I am in great heaviness for the pitiful case of our Lord's Kirk. I hear the cause why Dr. Burton is committed to prison is his writing and preaching against Arminians. I therefore entreat the aid of your prayers for myself, and the Lord's captives of hope, and for Zion....

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News Item10/26/07 10:25 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Walt wrote:
"In a footnote to this letter, the editor Dr. Bonar, says:
"Dr. Thomas Jackson, Dean of Peterborough, first held Calvinistic sentiments .....
Walt
This is interesting to note that this "Arminian Persecutor of Calvinists" first held Calvinistic sentiments which would make me consider that perhaps that contributed his persecuting a Calvinist in the first place.

Just something to consider.

But still look up Roger Williams and you will find it was quite the other way around.

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News Item10/26/07 9:28 AM
Walt | Michigan  Find all comments by Walt
"In a footnote to this letter, the editor Dr. Bonar, says:

"Dr. Thomas Jackson, Dean of Peterborough, first held Calvinistic sentiments but afterwards became an Arminian, a change which recommended him to the favour and patronage of Archbishop Laud. "

The character of Laud may be seen in relation to his part in the trial, sentencing, imprisonment, and torturing of Dr. Alexander Leighton at London. (Dr. Leighton's views on Arminianism are quoted above). A sketch of Leighton's history is given in the preface to a letter which Rutherford wrote him while in prison. The sketch says that Leighton, because of his "zeal for Presbyterian principles and against the innovations of Laud," was arrested in 1629 and kept in an abominable cell sixteen weeks before his trial by the Star Chamber. Because of this "severe distress that had brought skin and hair almost wholly off his body," he could not attend his trial....

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