NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A majority of Southern Baptist senior pastors and laity believe Christians should not drink alcohol and that using it could cause other believers to stumble, according to a new poll by LifeWay Research.
The survey asked Southern Baptist and non-Southern Baptist pastors and laity a series of seven questions about alcohol, ranging from their views on whether getting drunk is against Scripture to whether drinking alcohol is an example of Christian liberty.
Among Southern Baptists, 77 percent of senior pastors and 59 percent of laity believe "Christians should not use alcohol as a beverage." Those percentages fall, though, when Southern Baptists are asked whether "Scripture indicates that people should never drink" alcohol. Forty-one percent of SBC pastors agreed with that statement, while 34 percent of Southern Baptist laity did....
"Mike Everett": If you will bother to do a careful "word" study of the word "wine" in the Holy Bible; especially as it/"wine" is found in The New Testament: maybe you'd understand why many Biblical "'Original' Greek" New Testament Scholars, Translators, Interpreters, and "Puritan" Tee-Totalers believe that the word "wine", in the Majority of the ("'Original' Greek") New Testament; should PROPERLY and RIGHTLY be Translated "GRAPE-JUICE" instead of "the fermented stuff" that you interpret the word "wine" to mean!
Although NO Christian will EVER be Physically PERFECT by Abstaining from "fermented" wine (read grape juice). . . . . .
He WILL be Preaching (sometimes without even saying a word) AGAINST the Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic god of "The Cup of Bacchus":
By Not Drinking Nary a Drop of Fermented/Alcholic Wine/Beverages --
But, Rather, By Just Drinking What IT Properly IS in The NEW TESTAMENT of THE HOLY BIBLE. . . . . . . . . . . . .
I have read the Holy Bible from cover to cover and was saved when I realized how much Jesus loved me and died for me in John 17. In all the translations I've read I've never seen the words grape juice, so i would have to assume it was the fermented stuff. The Bible obviously forbids getting drunk. In fact a sorcerer in new testment times was someone who used drugs to get high and commune with the spirits(demons). Alcahol can be a drug also. You must remember in those times they had no refrigeration or other marvelous machinery in those times, and wine was one of the drinks that would keep. Often it was mixed with 5 parts of water to make the water more drinkable. However I don't think Jesus would drink today as we can buy fresh milk, juice, and other healthful beverages today. As for myself I don't drink alcahol and never will for the sake of caution and my weaker Christians, but I do use it in cooking and baking. Also it has no real benifit for your body(God' temple) so why bother with it? " Stay away from the apperance of all evil" May God bless you all
I reject but forgive your insinuations that AA is anti-christian. The twelve steps of AA are biblical and are in fact based on the original six steps of the Oxford group(a christian group formed to help alcoholics). In my personal experience I have witnessed God bringing many people into a closer and actually spiritual relationship with Him (much more than I can say for some churches). Prayer, forgiveness and reliance upon God are essential to recovery. I would suggest going to an Open AA meeting and finding out what you are condemning before you consider it unworthy. Don't be to "holy" to associate with drunks- Jesus wasn't and He's the Holiest of All and I believe He didn't drink, but He loved those who did. One more thing, if you want to see alcoholics really get help and get saved, start a AA support group in your church. If you do it with the right spirit and God's help you will be amazed at what He will do with it. We did and it has been wonderful.
āThere is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignoranceāthat principle is contempt prior to investigation.ā āHerbert Spencer
David Cloud (Way Of Life Literature) sent out a real good email this week that makes an excellent Biblical argument that Christians should not drink alcohol at all. I'm sure it's available on his website (www.wayoflife.org).
Most of the Southern Baptists that I know need to spend more time concentrating on 'don't eat so much' rather than worrying about other people's alcohol consumption.
Also, most of the people that I know who drink do so in order to forget the stupid things they have engaged in or have gotten involved in while drinking.
I personally believe it's best not to drink at all. Sometimes when I get back from running on a hot summer day, nothing sounds better than an ice cold beer. But I have two teenage daughters at home and I do not want them to think it's OK to drink. My wife thinks it's the devil's elixir so she would be mad at me if I drank. Most of my Christian friends don't drink so they would think I am compromising. I don't believe I would go to hell if I had a beer but certainly no good would come from it. Best to abstain.
I strongly believe that when there is any question about whether something is Biblically right or wrong, it's ALWAYS best to err on the side of caution and don't do whatever it is.
It ceases to amaze me how closet "lovers of the cup of Bacchus more than lovers of the Spirit of God" pithily try to justify "The use (drinking) of fermented beverages as booze"!
Then they go about "piusly" and "sanctimoniously" quoting a few Scriptures (naturally taken out of context) to justify their Satanic sin, idoicy and wantoness of the cup (booze) of Bacchus!
The very act of fermentation (leavening) is by example and indeed a literal fulfillment of the spreading of Sin:"a little 'leaven' (sin) 'Leavens' (Consumes/Corrupts/Cancers/Destroys) the "Whole Lump")!
But don't expect "John Lllburn from Pennsylvania" to tell you the Whole Truth--just half-truths--as he guzzles Fermented/Sinful/lLeavened Beers with Martin Luther & that prince that sacked poor Satanic-Vaticanist "Papal" Rome (that poor adulterer/fornicator/sodomite/beastial/murderer/assassin Borgia "pope(s)" never deserved such sacking [they (Borgias) really deserved Worse]!
Or don't expect "Johnny L." to quote to you the Vast Majority of The Word of God/The Authorized Holy Scriptures that Condemn Strong-Drink, Fermented-Wine, Etc.
Johnny will just go along and read Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic Charles II's "saddlebag letter" with Oliver Cromwell as they both get smashed with mugs of ale!
Concerning Martin Luther, there are Lutherans who reject the consumption of alcoholic beverages. And yes, Mr. Luther could probably have had a clearer mind and better discernment of the Scriptures if he wasn't in bondage to what the Bible calls a brawler or raging. "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Apparently for many of us, we'd prefer to abstain for sake of clarity of conscience instead of possible deception.
John - there were a lot of things that Israel still held on to when they came out of Egypt. These men at that time of History were a little more concerned with larger issues than is it wrong to drink. Sometimes God does wink at sin for a season to deal with larger problems, as I am sure he has in your life. But please do not think I am saying that God condones the sin - by no means!
One little observation about Luther: His drinking may have been why his mind was so numb that he would agree that Anabaptists were heriticks and should be killed. "...they (Anabaptists) are not only blasphemous but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them. For it is the will of God, that he shall have judgement who resistith the power." (Arthur B. Strickland, Roger WIlliams (Boston: The Judson Press, 1919) p.72 ) Obviously he did not know the will of God!!!
Paul also said in 1 Cor. 10:23, "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: but all things edify not."
While we may have the freedom to drink wine or alcohol, our testimony to others will be much truer when our actions show if we have the self control to abstain from alcohol so that those weaker than ourselves will not stumble.
It is not dificult to rationalize our behavior so that we do what we want, but 1 Cor. 10:31 should be our heart's desire, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
All I know is that alcohol destroyed my childhood. My brothers and I suffered as children and watched our precious mother go through hell.
There is NO WAY that I could approve or justify a Christian who uses alcohol as a beverage... I am thankful that I have never had the desire to touch the SLOP... I wish I could say the same for cola and coffee, but at least these do not drive one CRAZY
That men profess to believe the Bible (King James Version) and believe it teaches alcohol use is always sin do astounds me. The Bible is clear that drunkenness is sin, but nowhere states that the use of fermented wine is sin. Perhaps the writers and speakers can explain to us how it is that moderate, non-drunken drinkers like Martin Luther had such power with God if they were in such wanton sin? Luther drank a tankard of beer (handed to him by a German prince whose army later led the sack of Papal Rome) as he left the Diet of Worms. Oliver Cromwell read the "saddlebag letter" of Charles II in a tavern with a mug of ale in front of him. The stalwart, God fearing Pilgrims were ale and beer drinkers, as were many Puritans, but they were not drunkards. The underlying words of the King James text in the original languages are clear concerning this matter-the word "wine" in John chapter two means what we understand to be wine, not grape juice. Paul admonished men not to be drunken with wine, obviously a fermented beverage, but he also said take a little wine for the stomach sake and thy oft infirmities. The use of fermented beverages is not forbidden in Scripture-drunkenness is! Matthew 4:4 Wrest not!
I am just a little curious how this poll would look if administered to, let's say, Free Presbyterians, Baptist Bible Fellowship(pers), Independent Fundamental Churches of America(IFCA), Primative Methodists, Plymouth-Brethren (Open & Closed), and Other Fundamentalist-Protestant Denominations & Associations of Independent Biblical-Literalist Judeo-Christian Congregations, Churches, Assemblies, Etc.
I dare say that their numbers would reflect the same, if not exceed, the percentages found in Southern Baptists.
P.S.: It is Sad indeed when 77% of Senior Southern Baptist Pastors; yet only 59% of Southern Baptist church-members/"laity" believe that "Christians should not use alcohol as a beverage".
According to the Authorized Holy Bible & Godliness with Contentment; the percentage of any Biblical-Literalist group(s) of Christians that believe "Christians should not use alcohol as a beverage" should be at least 99%: and at most 99.99%!
*Note: In a Satanic-Vaticanist Poll; I dare say that 0% of the Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic clergy would say that "'Christians' should not use alcohol as a beverage"; as their heretical "transubstantiated" blasphemy of the "mass" (mess) involves the cup of Bacchus/The-god-of-fermented-wine/Strong-Drink & their Baal/Sun-god/"host"/disc/wafer/cookie!
Elwood, that is certainly true. They don't seem to be taking Mike Huckabee's example of skipping all that fattening food.
As far as skipping alcohol --I'll drink to that!--a cup of coffee that is.
Proverbs 23:19 Hear thou, my son, and be wise, And guide thy heart in the way. 20Be not among winebibbers, Among gluttonous eaters of flesh: 21For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty; And drowsiness will clothe a man with rags."
I've been around a long time, and I've been a Southern Baptist all that time. I've seen more Baptists drop dead of overeating then by John Barleycorn. They all sing "we don't drink, smoke or chew and won't go out with girls who do", then they go to church suppers and eat fried chicken, pork chops, barbecue, apple pie etc. Look at Falwell and Hagee and maybe even YOUR pastor. Gluttony is as much a sin as drunkenness, and we won't even talk about adultery and lusting after other men's wives. I've been sipping a little Jim Beam every day since I was a pup, and I'm not the worse for it. It probably is good for me after one of those high carb, high fat Baptist suppers.
I agree with you, Abigail. Scripturally, you're right on target: "Do not get drunk with wine, but be filled with the Holy Spirit." Good and scripturally sound Christian ministry will help deliver one from slavery to the bottle. Jesus sent out his Church to set people free. It's still possible today.
I was not aware AA was antichristian. If that is the case I would have to agree with you.
I know a believer who confided with me that he has been going to AA for years although he does not drink now. I'm not sure what his reason is for continuing to go. We are in a small town and there is no other support for alcoholics who need the support. What would you suggest as an alternative?