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Choice News MONDAY, SEP 10, 2007  |  69 comments
Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster Releases Official Statement; Comments by Dr. Paisley
At the Annual General Meeting of the Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster on 7 September 2007 it was agreed by an overwhelming majority of members that all Presbytery offices should remain as at present for the remainder of this calendar year.

In January 2008 all offices will be vacated. Dr Paisley has indicated that he will not be standing for the office of Moderator of Presbytery.

Ministers and elders left the meeting united, determined to go forward to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ and continue to contend for the faith once for all delivered to the saints.

— Rev. Ron Johnstone (Deputy Moderator)

The following comments were made by Dr. Ian Paisley at Martyrs Memorial Church on the Sunday morning following the Presbytery Meeting:

"At our annual Presbytery Meeting held here on Friday night, 7 Sept. The Free Presbyterian Church was facing a very real crisis. By what, that I can only describe, Christ's intervention -- the atmosphere of that meeting suddenly changed."

We encourage you to listen to the rest of this message preached by Dr. Ian Paisley entitled Christ, The Worker.


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News Item9/16/07 3:53 AM
Lyall | Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lyall
From afar and from what we know of the N.I. situation over years from my Wife's Irish mother and other Irish relatives, Ian Paisley is one to be admired and not pilloried.

After an exhausting lifetime in the defence of Protestantism and God's Word, we should be reading letters of praise for him. I suggest that the complainers have done very little in the battle. Just standing on the sidelines and criticising those giving their all in the Protestant cause.

Lyall, Australia

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News Item9/15/07 3:25 PM
Seaton  Find all comments by Seaton
Robert wrote:
.... there is no Justification in the world for ministers of the gospel or anyone else sitting down in government, with mass murderers, Rapists , drug barrons, smugglers, whore mongerers and communists.....
Robert
What about Sinners - Should ministers et al, sit down in any part of the community with "Sinners" - Or not???

"For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?"

"And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?"

"And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples."

"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?"

"But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick."

"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

###
Robert the REAL task on earth is not perfect politics, it is working amongst sinners as an instrument of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.

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News Item9/15/07 12:47 PM
Paddy | NI  Find all comments by Paddy
james brown wrote:
Dr Paisley is a god fearing man, not like the brats of hell that are against him, Some of them said in the past (we are following you) but they were so far behind they could not be seen. Ps What an ungodly bunch was protesting outside Dr Paisleys church.
Presumably you were one of the Koolaid drinkers who have spent the last 30 years changing Church hymns to "Follow, Follow, we will follow Paisley."

Have you ever thought of trying another church that demands absolute loyalty above the Bible to their leaders like the Mormons or the Catholics?

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News Item9/15/07 11:32 AM
Robert | Ulster  Find all comments by Robert
I must say as a man who fought for his country against the provo's, that the promotion of sodomy aside, the debate over church and state aside. there is no Justification in the world for ministers of the gospel or anyone else sitting down in government, with mass murderers, Rapists , drug barrons, smugglers, whore mongerers and communists. I dont believe even if Gerry and Martin had an atom bomb at their disposal, and threatend to use it, should we have went into government with them. it cannot be morally justified. I love Ian Paisley, but I am afraid he has betrayed the protestant people of Northern Ireland, his old hero Cromwell would have him hanging at the end of a rope for what he has done.
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News Item9/15/07 11:15 AM
Seaton  Find all comments by Seaton
If the current debate, and discussion on other threads are anything to go by, It would appear that now the NI Protestants have done with fighting the IRA, they are now taking up the cudgel, never mind the verbal, against each other.

Love your enemy is hard enough.
Love your denominational affiliates appears to be getting tougher.

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News Item9/15/07 10:54 AM
WH | N.I.  Find all comments by WH
james brown wrote:
Dr Paisley is a god fearing man, not like the brats of hell that are against him, Some of them said in the past (we are following you) but they were so far behind they could not be seen. Ps What an ungodly bunch was protesting outside Dr Paisleys church.
Now there's a nice balanced and calm response - you've been reading the official organ of the Paisley family..er..I mean, Free P. church (The so-called "Revivalist")! No doubt you would include among the "brats of hell" certain of the ministers and elders of the F.P. Church, like their own Rev. Foster? No-one that disagrees with "The prophet" can be a god-fearing man, eh? Your bad temper might suggest you too are more than a tad "ungodly". The big fellow has taught you and others well. The idea is: "Anybody who opposes me (whatever I do in politics or religion)is against God and serving the Devil"! Very convenient way to deflect criticism! No wonder Ulster is in such a mess - blind loyalty is alive and well, especially among FPs.
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News Item9/15/07 8:55 AM
james brown | coleraine n. ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by james brown
Dr Paisley is a god fearing man, not like the brats of hell that are against him, Some of them said in the past (we are following you) but they were so far behind they could not be seen. Ps What an ungodly bunch was protesting outside Dr Paisleys church.
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News Item9/14/07 6:34 PM
Alan | Ulster / Northern Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Alan
"what are they going to do to overturn those laws? "
"can we expect The Rev. Dr. Paisley and his party to now bring forward legislation seeking the repeal or amendment of the said SORs?"
Well first point is they voted against said laws in Westminster, secondly they held a vote in the shadow Assembly before devolution and were defeated whn Nationalists, cross community Alliance and the P.U.P outvoted their motion, thirdly any motion seeking to repeal SOR`s is doomed to defeat firstly since it would require 50% Unionist and 50% Nationalist support to repeal the law (and Nationalists / Catholics all supported the law) and secondly because it would probably contravene European Union law which has superiority. If you have a way around that then lets hear it because I would like to see it happen!

by the way unfortunately not all DUP members are professing Christians, it is a secular Unionist party which just so happens to have a strong evangelical base.

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News Item9/14/07 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, as my pastor Gil Rugh, said,"Read the booklet, RENDERING UNTO CEASAR. [The booklets section of the www.ihcc.org website has it.] I don't speak out about issues because they have become political. If there is something that we are to address we will come across it as we go through the Word of God. We do have responsibilities in areas not directly to the Word of God. If our lives are built upon the Word of God, being a part of God's people, if we are living under the Word following the direction of the Holy Spirit, then you will not need me to tell you what to do in areas that the Scripture does not address. It is not my responsibility to tell you what to do in areas that the Scripture does not directly address. This does not mean that sin is not an important aspect of individual, national, or world life.

There are very few laws we can't obey but paying taxes is not a law to be broken. Laws bring protection. I am thankful for living in America. I am pleased to be able to preach the Gospel."

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11005171618

See the booklet,

http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L121.pdf

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News Item9/14/07 2:41 PM
Seaton  Find all comments by Seaton
b.a. wrote:
when there is a conflict between the popular will and the law of God
When is their NOT ba?
Man is always a sinner and outwith the church is the great unwashed.

"Neutrality"
The Lord forbid ba.

Tomorrow I want you to go straight out into the community and demand that they obey every law and precept of Scripture.

If they don't
Execute them.

"Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."Psa 127.1

Alternatively this particular House of Ulster, may only be built one brick at a time.
Or
Perhaps never!

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News Item9/14/07 12:41 PM
b.a. | uk  Find all comments by b.a.
seaton,

so, is dr paisley a christian first or a democrat first?

when there is a conflict between the popular will and the law of God what is his responsibility before God?

neutrality is not an option.

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News Item9/14/07 12:28 PM
Seaton  Find all comments by Seaton
ba
Just a little point ba, 0n SORS,
Since the FP is only 5 per cent of the DUP voter support.
Do you think it is realistic for Dr. Paisley to try that?
It's still "Democracy" over there isn't it?
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News Item9/14/07 11:10 AM
Unfooled | Ulster  Protected NameFind all comments by Unfooled
Alan wrote:
Wayne - most of the protestors were not even Free Presbyterians - "Pastor" Clifford Peeples was one of them, a man sentenced to 10 years for having hand grenades and pipe bombs in his car for use by Loyalist terrorist organisations.
And your point is?? The men INSIDE were Free Presbyterians - and they would have voted him out if he had not agreed to "jump first". All this rubbish about carrying out laws already passed will not do - what are they going to do to overturn those laws? Nothing. DUP councillors would not take a stand in their local areas on the sodomite "marriage" issue. So much for power in local hands. Power-hungry politicians cannot be trusted to do the right thing. It is all about getting elected and staying elected.
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News Item9/14/07 10:30 AM
b.a. | uk  Find all comments by b.a.
does anyone know -

when can we expect a statement from the Rev. Dr. Paisley (in his capacity as moderator of one of the largest christian churches in N.I.)on the SORs? I believe he previously declined to do so as the matter was before the courts (his office defending them there.)

this business of "poitics being politics and church being church" would not have stopped the "old" Ian Paisley. as i recall he didn't let the fact he was in the european parliament stop him from denouncing the pope as the antichrist. what changed when he met sean brady the rc primate of all ireland? on that occasion he wouldn't mix religion and politics.

can we expect The Rev. Dr. Paisley and his party to now bring forward legislation seeking the repeal or amendment of the said SORs?

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News Item9/14/07 9:31 AM
Samuel Morrison | N. Irelnad  Find all comments by Samuel Morrison
Alan,
An email from the Christian Institute to myself:
"Our judicial review of the Sexual Orientation Regulations necessarily
involves taking legal action against the appropriate public body - which
means the OFMDFM. It is the role of their lawyers to defend the OFMDFM
against this action."

Dr Paisley and self-confessed, unrepentant IRA terrorist MMG were the defendants.

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News Item9/14/07 8:36 AM
Alan | Ulster / Northern Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Alan
Wayne - most of the protestors were not even Free Presbyterians - "Pastor" Clifford Peeples was one of them, a man sentenced to 10 years for having hand grenades and pipe bombs in his car for use by Loyalist terrorist organisations.

The Office Of First Minister and Deputy First Minister is a government Office obliged to defend what is already law when someone challenges the legality of the law (which was introduced by the London government, Labour Ministers, not Northern Ireland politicians who voted against, but they are only 10 MP`s out of hundreds

The Christian Institutes counter court case against SOR`s has been in the pipeline since January and would have initially had Westminster / Northern Ireland Offfice Ministers as the defendants as it was them that introduced th laws, only when those laws came under jurisdiction of the new devolved Northern Ireland Assembly in Belfast would the Office of First and Deputy First Minister have become the defendant.

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News Item9/13/07 9:56 PM
Pete | USA  Find all comments by Pete
christian wrote:
Well said Gary, I too was a witness to hearing Dr Paisley confirm he had not signed those papers. ‘Pete’ maybe doesn’t understand there is no internet link to the spoken word. God bless Dr Paisley.
Samuel Morrison (a Free Presbyterian) wrote to Dr Paisley's office under the Freedom of Information Act and it was officially confirmed that Dr Paisley's lawyers had acted to defend the Sodomite laws against the FPC judicial review

http://askdrpaisley.blogspot.com/

So you can see, I would take Dr Paisley's promises with a pinch of salt. The Telegraph confirmed that Dr Paisley's office also funded to the tune of 180,000 pounds Sodomite groups this year.

Ian Paisley can hide behind weasel words that he never actually physically signed the cheque but the facts are that his department that he is legally and morally responsible issued these funds under his orders when HE WAS IN CHARGE. In the UK, it is called ministerial accountability something Ian Paisley used time and time again to call for the NI Secretary of State's resignation after any major attrocity.

FACTS are difficult things to wash away, save for the gullible.

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News Item9/13/07 12:12 PM
Unfooled | Ulster  Protected NameFind all comments by Unfooled
Stingless wrote:
Sorry my pearls of wisdom are being wasted on your angry closed mind. I`ll just shake the dust off my feet as it were and move on.
I won`t enter into any further correspondence with you.
Read Luke Chapter 11 verse 53 that cap fits you nicely.
This is typical of the spiritual giants who are on here defending the indefensible - shoot the message boy because you don't like the message. "Pearls of wisdom"? Why the bitterness when the general of the troops is "happy" to stand down, and it was his "own decision"?? As for not signing papers for funding sodomites, this is a fudge - only spoken about behind closed doors. he is silent on this in the Assembly AND in the public media. Further: the money IS coming from his office. And that is a fact. The lemmings don't like facts!
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News Item9/13/07 11:13 AM
wayne  Find all comments by wayne
British Church Newspaper 14th sept

There is a quote page 2 by an unnamed belfast correspondent about the meeting 7th September 'Last night about a dozen protesters stood outside meeting in the Martyrs, some obscuring their faces with literature' also some who have been vocal and vitriolic going to the press and in the public domain 'airing their grievances outside Christian circles'

Seems strange behaviour from christians if it is believers demonstrating in this way? Anyone with any facts?

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News Item9/13/07 8:40 AM
Alan | Ulster / Northern Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Alan
Indeed we are all sinners an can err - that is why we need the Lord - we cannot be perfect this side of Life.
The Stormont Assembly is a talking shop, a toothless tiger that can do nothing unless all sides are agreed as each side has a veto - if there is no agreement then things stay as they are. - I see it as no different to the very same politicians sitting in local council chambers with each other, sitting in Westminster government and sitting in the European Parliament with each other.
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