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Choice News THURSDAY, SEP 6, 2007  |  29 comments
Vatican Representative Plays Down ‘One True Church’ Statement
The Vatican’s President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Cardinal Walter Kasper, has played down concerns among Europe’s Protestant Church leaders following the Vatican’s recent statement asserting that the Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

The 16-page July document, ratified by Pope Benedict XVI, stated that the Roman Catholic Church is “the one true Church of Christ”.

It also claimed that “communities emerging from the Reformation” – the Protestant and Anglican Churches – are “not Churches in the proper sense of the word”.

Cardinal Kasper attempted to qualify the assertion at the Third European Ecumenical Assembly, currently taking place in Sibiu, Romania. ...


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News Item11/8/07 3:29 AM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
Papist CA,

Thanks for answering, I just ran across a cartoon that explains what you seem to be talking about. I still don't understand it to be a doctrine based on Scripture. God bless, peace, love and strength to your spirit! Your kindness is appreciated!

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=8aedcae34cef231aa734

Isaiah 59:16 Then the LORD saw it, and it displeased Him That there was no justice. He saw that there was no man, And wondered that there was no intercessor; Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him; And His own righteousness, it sustained Him.

In Him,

Mrs. Jessica Dawson

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News Item10/24/07 8:55 AM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
Papist
Instead of reading what others who are papist tell you,why don't you study the bible to find out what the old and new testament tells you to go by.
Protestants reject but papist recieve,the books called the apocrypha,and thus the difference even extends to the scriptures by papists.
Our objections to the apoc are.
(1)They were never recieved by the jewish church,and unto them were "commited the Oracles of GOD".ROM 3-2.
Josephus the great jewish historian and authority said"the jews had only 22 books that deserved belief,but those which were written after the time of Artaxerxes(the apoc)were not of equel credit with the rest,in which period they had no Prophets at all.
(2)They were never quote by our LORD or his Apostles.
(3)They were rejected by the most eminent christian fathers.
(4)They contain certain internal evidence of their own NON inspiration,suicide seems to be commended in 2 Macc 14-41=42,and the writer apologizes for the defacts(15-39).
Onless you can com up with one qute from these books in the whole bible ,then you argument goes out the window.
The bible is the rule of faith,not tradition or the church.
If you want to be more Christ like,quote the scriptures just as He did.
"It is written"

But Hey
Thats Why "ye must be born again"

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News Item10/24/07 1:34 AM
Papist | CA  Find all comments by Papist
Reading recommendations:

On the Deutero-canonicsls:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050205115644/catholicoutlook.com/objapoc1.php

Read it and learn.

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News Item10/23/07 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Papist, the people who should know, the Jews rejected the apocryphal, deutero-canonical books, because they weren't inspired. Do you mean we are Catholic bashing on this forum?

http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0903W1.htm

As far as these inspired books are concerned I would like to direct you to,
"The Apocrypha"

http://www.johnankerberg.org/ankerberg-articles/apocrypha.html

Doctrine is important in "Evaluating the Church today."

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=921071140262

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News Item10/22/07 7:33 PM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
"But this whole attitude I've witnessed here again is the same reason I joined myself to the Catholic Church. They have fruit."

I met a woman today who probably has a similar sentiment. She said Bible doctrine is not important; what counts is how we love each other. We should all throw away our Bibles and just love each other; then everything will be fine. (and presumably, according to her, we will all get to heaven).

Biblical truth is not like that. Why did Jesus say "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."? Matthew 10:34-36

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." 1 John 4:3

Remember "Open rebuke is better than secret love. Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful." Proverbs 27:5-6

You might have the kisses of the Catholic church, but if you don't have the truth, what good is it?

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News Item10/22/07 7:12 PM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
Papist
So your faith is based on nothing in Gods Word at all,only on what the papish church say.
You can't even know if you have a sacrament because of the papish doctrine of intention,why you couldn't even be sure you were married,baptised,or A wafer god,boy,thats some infallible church and pope who can't give one infallible statement of faith.
Does it not make you try and find out why those "apochryphal"books are not quoted by Jesus or the Apostles,or the Jews for that mater,if you want I can tell you.
Tell us when and how you think you became a christian?
As for not coming on here to prove who is right and who is wrong,YOU DID ,now you can't provide any proof for your beliefs even the mass,nor any evedence of what you accused us of"misrepresenting" your teachings",you know you do that yourself by not knowing what your talking about.
You should SEARCH the scriptures to see if these things are true or not,but any one who is born again would and could not become part of something they know nothing about,cause the Holy Spirit leads you into the truth of Gods Word.

But Hey
Thats Why "ye must be born again"

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News Item10/22/07 6:28 PM
Papist | CA  Find all comments by Papist
The "infallible proof" hmmm? One of the clearest examples happens to be in the Bible - the infallible word of God. However, it is in one of the deutero-canonical books - "apochryphal" if you don't know what that means. Protestants rejected these books during the reformation.

For one, such as me, those books are the Inspired, Infallible word of God because they are part of the Bible. For you they are not.

I'm not in here to "prove" I'm right and you're wrong. I used to be a protestant, and still enjoy listening to sermons, etc. When seeing some of the extremely ignorant, hateful, and I would also add prideful comments on some of the message boards, I was disturbed by the lack of Christian charity.

As a Catholic Christian, I believe that the people posting on this site should not be so quick to judge when it is obvious that they do not know the facts.

I know most of you think you have Salvation in a box under your pillow and that Catholics have their feet already planted in Hell. But even if you were right about that, how in the world do you expect to win converts when all that pours out of your mouths is hate?
But this whole attitude I've witnessed here again is the same reason I joined myself to the Catholic Church. They have fruit.

Peace

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News Item10/22/07 6:18 AM
albert | Northern Ireland  Find all comments by albert
I would ask those ROMAN catolics on here to give us the INFALLIBLE proof for those they pray to,to be saints in heaven including Mary?
Now that a simple question that Im sure at least one of you can answer,and I don't want any tradition for we KNOW what Christ thought about that

But Hey
Thats Why "ye must be born again"

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News Item10/22/07 4:46 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Bottom line
People are watching you, your race, your walk.
If you call yourself a christian, follow Christ.
If you call yourself a catholic, follow the pope.
If you call youself a baptist,
follow, I don't know, John the baptist.
Fill in the denomination, fill in the leader.
Someone in the Bible said,
You cannot serve two masters.
READ the Bible, study, knock,seek,ask,
remember, the Father, the Son, and yes the third part of the Trinity.
Nowhere in the Bible does it tell you to be really good in hebrew ,or greek,
that you must be smart, that you have no sin.
Someone in the Bible said you don't need a teacher, the Holy spirt will guide you.
There is one church, Jesus is the head
Stop the trash talking, take your burdons and pride elsewhere, this site should be for fellowship, unity in Christ, not with the world.
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News Item10/22/07 3:48 AM
Wayne M. | BC, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Papist,

"5. the Catholic belief is that all those who have eternal life in Jesus Christ do not die, but "fall asleep" as the Bible says."

I thought a Catholic cannot know if he has eternal life. Isn't that the sin of presumption? What about purgatory? Doesn't everyone (who is not going to hell) have to go to purgatory for cleansing of their sins which have not been satisfied for?

Also if catholics have to atone for their sins in Purgatory and by having masses said for them, and doing penance, how can they claim they believe Jesus shed His blood, died and paid the price for their sins?

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News Item10/22/07 2:12 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
terry evans wrote:
Context
The writer (Paul?) is telling you to put aside every weight (burdon)
You know like the yoke of Jesus is light and easy. and the sin ( pride)
that keeps the weight on you. (I'll carry and defend this weight (belief) no matter what) The cloud are those that have done it.
Im Sorry, the bible does not say who the witnesses are, could be angles, heathens, I don't know.
And the last line, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us.
At a race people stand around and watch, not participate, that could be the connection of those compassed about. And the key here is patience, don't get upset, mad, try to force Gods word into someone who thinks or carries a weight around, speak the truth, and move on
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News Item10/22/07 1:10 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Context
The writer (Paul?) is telling you to put aside every weight (burdon)
You know like the yoke of Jesus is light and easy. and the sin ( pride)
that keeps the weight on you. (I'll carry and defend this weight (belief) no matter what) The cloud are those that have done it.
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News Item10/22/07 1:02 AM
Fellow Saint  Find all comments by Fellow Saint
But where do we see a Biblical description of Christians praying to the cloud of witnesses, or saying we should?
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News Item10/22/07 12:59 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Thanks , Hebrews 12:1
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us.
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News Item10/22/07 12:42 AM
Papist | CA  Find all comments by Papist
1. "so great a cloud of witnesses." - Hebrews 12:1
2. "pray" when praying to saints is not the same as "praying" - distinction - it is not the same as praying to God for the same reasons I already gave. Get it? Good.
3. They are "a mediator" in the same way as, yes, your living mother who prays for you.
4. They are not THE mediator, as any of their prayers are made to God through Jesus Christ.
5. the Catholic belief is that all those who have eternal life in Jesus Christ do not die, but "fall asleep" as the Bible says. Of course, their mortal body dies, but they are not "dead" as you say, and we can ask for their prayers.
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News Item10/22/07 12:29 AM
terry evans | miramar beach fl  Contact via emailFind all comments by terry evans
Someone in the Bible said out of the mouth they speak there damnation.
? what chapter and verse is
"we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses"
1."praying to the saints is not really praying to them" (what)
2." we ask them to pray for us (be a mediator) to the Lord our God through Jesus Christ" ( the mediator goes through the mediator)
3."we ask those living saints who have passed from this world (dead) to pray on our behalf" ( mediators)
4. "its like asking your mom to pray for you" (after she dies? or while she is alive to put in a good word for you when she dies?
Sometimes instead of defending the ways of man, one should step back and, read the Bible, repent, and pray.
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News Item10/21/07 11:31 PM
Papist | CA  Find all comments by Papist
Jessica Dawson wrote:
The Mormons and the Catholics praying to the dead on the behalf of the living does not sit well with me.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?
Hi Jessica,
Your feeling on this is understandable. It's how I felt before I learned about the true Catholic teaching. Something to keep in mind - Mediums and Wizards were often called upon to "raise the spirits" of the dead so that the living could consult them. This is not something practiced by Catholics. You know how the Bible says "we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses?" The Catholics often understood this to mean those alive in Christ whether on earth or in heaven. "Praying" to the saints is not really praying TO them. We ask them to "Pray for us to the Lord our God" through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and Man. That does not change when we ask those living saints who have passed from this world to pray on our behalf. It's like asking your mom to pray for you.
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News Item10/21/07 10:48 PM
Fellow Saint  Find all comments by Fellow Saint
He has every right not only to downplay but to reject the statement. Gospels and messages from angels are denounced as accursed and false by the Apostles, but the RCC harbors these. Evidently the RCC is not the One True Church.
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News Item10/21/07 10:02 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
The Mormons and the Catholics praying to the dead on the behalf of the living does not sit well with me.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?

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News Item10/21/07 9:35 PM
Papist | CA  Find all comments by Papist
AntiVaticanistAmerican -

Do you think you will gain more crowns of glory for such misinformed rantings?

Millions of Americans hate what they percieve is the Catholic Church.

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