NEARLY half the British think that religion is harmful, according to a poll carried out by YouGov. Yet more than half also believe in God “or something”.
The YouGov poll commissioned by John Humphrys, the broadcaster and writer, found that 42% of the 2,200 people taking part considered religion had a harmful effect.
“One reason might be the publicity attracted by a handful of mad mullahs and their hate-filled rhetoric,” writes Humphrys in his new book, In God We Doubt, an extract of which appears in today’s Sunday Times News Review....
NO! The Lord told the servants, NO!!! This is what the scripture says but you say, yes.
The reason is not that they would "disturb" the wheat but rather they would root them up with the "DARNELL". Literally it means "root out". Sullegontes is "gather together".
This Biblical parable states that the enemy resowed "darnel" (zizania is not tares). This false wheat common in Palestine in its earlier stages is not distinguishable from wheat and has to wait until near HARVEST time to weed it out. At harvest the reapers will gather the darnel.
Abigail,
Meaning of: justified by faith in Christ Jesus? Meaning of: Christ is my righteousness?
Your post "Cheryl has so many monikers on this forum that she has conversations with herself and validates her own comments with her other moniker. Love rejoices in the truth....not deceit. You won't find truth in deception, only lies.' ________
I don't think what you are saying is true. If you think she and I are the same person, you are mistaken.
Your Post "Abigail Now your getting all hurt and emotional. What happened to calm sensible debate, or is this one of your ploys from feminine traits?" _______________________________
Seaton, I have to laugh at your comment. You absolutely understand nothing. There was no hurt or emotionalism at all in my response to your comment.
Your theory must be if you can't win—throw up a smokescreen!!!
Abigail Now your getting all hurt and emotional. What happened to calm sensible debate, or is this one of your ploys from feminine traits? _______________________________
Obvious Truth Cheryl
Your description of "tares"
How about throwing in a bit of common sense.
False teachers/preachers Get a job in pulpits because they seem to some as almost legitimate and genuine.
False religions and doctrines for the same reason, are able to find acceptance in society.
"Tares" as false believers in the church, also gain admission into congregations because they sound almost genuine.
As for your definition of tares in "YOUR" church, - if you have got a bunch of raging nutters like that in your pews, then are you sure it's a church you attend on Sunday? Or is it the local conspiracy theorists convention?
PS Well done on identifying the "servants." It would seem some people can't see this.
Your Post "Do you just promote yourself to judge? Or is your heart, prayers and hope Christlike enough to reach out to them and help.? If all you can do now is quote. How about... "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" John 7:24 How "righteous" are you?" ______
I cannot tell whether you are attempting to help me along the Christian path or if you are condemning (judging) me for my stand for Jesus Christ and His Words.
If I talk about myself, I am accused of promoting and keeping my own salvation and not acknowledging that Jesus Christ is the source of all things— salvation by works.
I have been born of the Spirit, washed in the blood, and justified by faith in Christ Jesus and His Words of truth and righteousness.
How righteous am I? Christ is my righteousness. I have not attained perfection, I fall short of the glory of God—but I strive to live the life that is laid down by our pattern, Jesus Christ the righteous. I am not promoting myself—but promoting the words of truth spoken by our precious Lord. If we can't speak truth until we have attained perfection—everyone needs to be silent.
"Ye shall know them by their fruits" are the Words of Jesus Christ himself. Is He a liar?
Your Post "A tare doesn't care, has no love, has no mercy, no sense of justice or fairness, no love of the truth, loves and makes a lie. They are fakers and phonies, full of pride and looking down their noses all the time. They are greedy and destructive, and they usually claw their way to the front of the church, and you can usually find them up on the dais sitting in the red velvet chair next to the pastor, and/or oftentimes in the pulpit itself." ________
"Who are the servants? Are they wheat? If so why do they have a separate different task/role?"
The pastors and deacons and elders have the job of overseeing the church with authority to kick people out or discipline them. Their instructions are not to discipline or kick people out except for blatant sins such as fornication. Cowardly, selfish, lying, pompous, greedy, bootlicking people can remain in the church as long as they don't commit blatant sin. The tares do somewhat resemble the wheat, but it's only somewhat.
Abigail, et al. No answer then I take it? The quote is all very well and yes it comes from the word of God. But the heart of the Christian can also demonstrate more than just parrot like quotes. Judging people by their fruit implies knowledge on the part of the judge. But judgmentalism is of itself a sin. The heart is an evil place in all of us it retains the iniquity of the old man and proves to be a source of struggle in the Christian. Humility is a high mountain to climb for the True Christian. Many do not attempt the climb in churches across the land. Beware promoting yourself to judge.
Wheat, tares and servants? Who are the servants? Are they wheat? If so why do they have a separate different task/role?
The question was basically can you discern the wheat from the tares?
If you can, what are you doing about the tares? Do you just promote yourself to judge? Or is your heart, prayers and hope Christlike enough to reach out to them and help.?
If all you can do now is quote. How about... "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment" John 7:24
savedbygrace --No, the servants recognized the tares immediately among the wheat. Read your Bible.
The reason the master told them not to pull up the tares was not because he was afraid they couldn't tell the difference, but because in the process of pulling them up it would disturb the wheat. But when the day comes, Scripture says the tares WILL be gathered, first. The angels will gather them.
Here's a hint how to tell a tare.
A tare doesn't care, has no love, has no mercy, no sense of justice or fairness, no love of the truth, loves and makes a lie. They are fakers and phonies, full of pride and looking down their noses all the time. They are greedy and destructive, and they usually claw their way to the front of the church, and you can usually find them up on the dais sitting in the red velvet chair next to the pastor, and/or oftentimes in the pulpit itself.
The servants probably thought they could distinguish perfectly every Christian from non-Christian, however only Almighty God is able to accomplish that. The servants guessed just as some today would guess imperfectly and gather the wheat with the tares. Even Michael the Archangel did not give a railing accusation against the devil in the battle for Moses body but said "the Lord rebuke thee." Come harvest time the Lord will rebuke and send reapers to discriminate perfectly.
It might not come as a surprise but there is a truth that (false)christianity is indeed harmful, in the UK it is liberal ecumenical churchianity or the toronto blessing type blasphemy or usually the Pope of rome that the media will spotlight to our public. Even amongst apparent evangelical witness there is much danger. I was encouraged to see an elderly gentleman plastered in bible texts waving a scripture text banner in the city. I went over to encourage his witness and ask for some of his tracts we had a conversation and I mentioned why I had once left a local FIEC as the pastor confided to me that he was 'fellowshipping' with a local RC priest and he intended leading his FIEC down the charismatic road to rome. This gentleman who professed to be walking in the spirit then proceeded to angrily defend evangelical charismatic RC's as born again brethren and telling me to get lost in as many (spirit filled?) words. The irony is that amongst his deceptive charismatic tracts was one solid bible tract whose author has written a strong testimony on the need for separation from those very errors that this gentleman was promoting,this I later pointed out.
Thank God his scripture texts are truth, but how many are deceived to join a false church or stay a RC even despite such?
Your Post "Can YOU discern the "true" believer in your own congregation, from the nominal one?" _____
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. _______
Your Reply "Abigail Thats a quote not an answer." _______
I don't know a better answer than the Word of God.
Jesus said where a person's treasure is, there will his heart be also. It is not hard for one that has been born of the Spirit to discern where people's treasure is. If you love the world and the things of the world, the love of the Father is not in you. Don't you think you can tell by one's actions and words where their treasure is and what they love the most?
Your Post "Can YOU discern the "true" believer in your own congregation, from the nominal one?" _____
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matt 7:20)
"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh." (Luke 6:45)
Clear proof that multitudes in our day have been religiously brainwashed and deceived is revealed by how people commonly understand the teaching known as the wheat and tares (KJV). Please know the tares (or weeds) do not look like wheat, according to Jesus’ teaching. Because this clashes with, and even negates, the teaching of eternal security, few have been taught this fact. Eternal security teachers want us to believe that one’s behavior has nothing to do with identifying who is saved and who isn’t. Calvinism teaches that election is secret and some have been given only an evanescent grace (or counterfeit) by God! The Southern Baptists would say the carnal Christian acts just like the lost man but is not lost at all. Instead he is saved. Hence, Jesus’ teaching in Mt. 13:24-30 is destructive to both fallacious versions, but has been twisted by false teachers to mean the very opposite
Matthew 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?..The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
The servants could tell the difference.
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