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SATURDAY, AUG 11, 2007  |  60 comments
Time: Billy Graham, Pastor In Chief
You have to climb a steep and narrow road, past the moonshiners' shacks and dense rhododendrons and through the iron gates to get to the house on the mountaintop that Ruth Graham built after her husband Billy became too famous to live anywhere else. By 1954, after she caught her children charging tourists a nickel to take a picture of their old house and noticed Billy crawling across the floor of his study to keep people outside from catching a glimpse of him, she knew it was time to move.

So up the mountain they went, and now, decades later, the house looks as if it just grew there naturally, instead of being assembled out of pieces Ruth salvaged from older cabins and then put back together like Lincoln Logs. The Graham home is modest in style but had plenty of room over the years for their five children and the family dogs, not to mention the visitors who came by. Fellow preachers and Presidents, ...


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News Item8/20/07 8:32 AM
SB  Find all comments by SB
Lance, here we go again with the confusing catholic double talk. You say that you believe something, when your own words and the beliefs of your church show otherwise.

If you truly believe in the priesthood of believers, and that Jesus Christ is our only High Priest, then why do you still have a man betwteen you and Jesus Christ that you call your spiritual father? Did you skip over the scripture where Jesus specifically gave a command against calling your spiritual leader father Matthew 23:9?

You forget, there is not one doctrine of the catholic church that I don't know. And although you don't want to listen, I'm trying to show you that you are greatly decieved by your precious religion.

Lance, Jesus Christ says that the only way any person will ever make it to Heaven is to be born of God's Spirit.

Lance, Jesus Christ took your place on the cross. He died the death that you deserve for your sin. God poured His wrath out on Jesus in your place. The Bible says that Jesus entered into the Most HOly PLace in the temple in Heaven and sprinkled His blood as an atonement for you. God simply calls on you to repent and trust completely in His perfect sacrifice. Are you born again Lance? THe Bible says we may KNOW that we have eternal life-- do you KNOW, Lance.

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News Item8/20/07 5:42 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
SB, surprising as it may seem, RCs know what is in the Bible. They believe in the priesthood of all believers.

And Jim, liberal theologians within the RCC ("Last Pope Was No Saint Say RC Theologians") will continue to scream loudly for women priests, gay marriage, and whatever else it is they want. The RCC will continue to ignore them.

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News Item8/20/07 4:48 AM
rose | chicago  Contact via emailFind all comments by rose
When I read these discussions, there is one question in the background that many people seem to not notice. The question is, WHO IS IN CHARGE? Jesus said He would send us the Holy Spirit, and He would lead us into all truth. He is the one in charge. To many people feel obligated to defend a doctrine, such as celebacy, papal authority, etc., just because it is there, and the "church" says you have to defend it.

But Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
When God says that forbidding to marry is a doctine of the devil, why don't people accept that and leave the church that enforces the doctrine of the devil?

When we know by history and scripture that the papacy is not and never has been a Christian office, why do we argue at all about who was first or second pope or whatever? We know that Peter himself said Christ is the chief cornerstone, and no man can lay another. So these impostors who claim to be the rock of God, why do we defend them?

Jesus says "come out of her, My people, so you won't be a partaker of her sins, or a receiver of her plagues."

We are free redeemed souls. We don't have to be afraid to walk away from religious evil.

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News Item8/20/07 12:21 AM
SB  Find all comments by SB
Jim Lincoln,

Amen!! RC's need to study 1Peter 2:5 thru 9 and Revelation 1:6, and Revelation 5:10 about the priesthood of the true believer. All true believers are kings and priests. We have access to the throne room of God and can go directly to Him by our High Priest Jesus Christ. Therefore we do not need any other intercessor. 1Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" Why would we want to go in circles to get to God when we can go directly to HIm thru Jesus Christ.

If RC's would get a hold of this TRUTH then they would leave the RC institution and have no part in priest pedophilia.

The Bible says that God will destroy this harlot Babylonian institution. (REVElation 17&18, Jeremiah 50&51, Isaiah 13&14, Isaiah 47) I can't wait for that day!! Glory to God!!

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News Item8/19/07 5:28 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Lance, the only thing that is Satan's Church is the Roman Catholic one, and it has been that for years. If celibacy and nunnery are present doctrines so much the worse.

The Teflon dons, i.e., bishops are not good. Cardinals Mahony and Law, are a few examples, q.v.,

"Last Pope Was No Saint Say RC Theologians"

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=nosaint

for that matter.

Also again for a good reading about the priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church.

"The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood"

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/catholicscandal.htm

Why do Christians worry what the Roman Church does Lance? because for one thing it calls itself Christian, which it isn't, and it leading many of the laity and magisterium down the super highway to hell.

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News Item8/18/07 10:33 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
What the first pope did is not relevant, Mex. It's a matter of current church law. It could be changed, but it probably won't.

And as I pointed out, celibacy is not a doctrine, demonic or otherwise.

And Jim, fortunately the sickness that infected many seminaries in the hippy era is at last being cleaned out, and seminaries in dioceses with good bishops are now attracting holy and orthodox young men.

Your words "We should praise God, less and less normal men want to become priests" are no credit to you. You should stop consuming the satanic excrement that pours from Indian Hills, the European Institute of Protestant Studies, and "Mary Ann Collins". It pollutes your soul. Polluted souls can't enter heaven.

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News Item8/18/07 10:03 PM
Mex | Mike  Find all comments by Mex
Plain common sense, Lance, would be that since your "first pope" was married, don't prohibit the men who do the work in your church from marrying. Plain common sense says read the Scriptures and don't implement doctrines of demons (God's Words, Lance, not mine.)
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News Item8/18/07 9:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, Lance, it seems that homosexuals and pedophiles do find what they want in the Roman Catholic Church as priests. We should praise God, less and less normal men want to become priests. We can only hope the shortage of Roman Catholic priests becomes even more of a problem.

Again, "Hand of God," the interesting PBS series about the all too typical Catholic priest.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/handofgod/view/

The Roman Catholic Church has so many anti-Christian traditions, one doesn't even know where to start.

"1Timothy 4
1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats,"

"1Timothy 5
9 Let a widow be put upon the list, being of not less than sixty years, [having been] wife of one man,
...
14 I will therefore that the younger marry, bear children, rule the house, give no occasion to the adversary in respect of reproach."

The blasphemy of nuns is from the rotten imaginings of man.

"Inferno Monacale - The ‘Hell of Nuns’ Part 2"

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.a

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News Item8/18/07 8:08 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Plain common sense, SB, would seem to be that if you're not interested in celibacy you don't choose a profession that involves celibacy. Isn't that simple?

And Michael H, I agree totally with your last two paragraphs.

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News Item8/18/07 6:47 PM
SB  Find all comments by SB
Lance,

If you can't be a priest because you are married, then celibacy is an enforced doctrine. That's just plain common sense.

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News Item8/18/07 11:37 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Mike form Mex
Do you realize the power in the lie that Mary was a perpetual virgin? and that to be truly holy one has to be celebate? The leadership and certainly Satan whose has hold on them know. It gives such the appearance of godliness while denying the power thereof.

It especially works to seduce sincere people that with enough human effort, in this case denying themselves of a wonderful blessing that in marriage is to the praise of God they might be able to gain God's approval.

Such things serve Satan well in seducing people away from the grace of God and the ways of God and to hold them in fearful bondage that if they ever leave this Religion how can they be acceptable with God who is so utterly Holy?

I have good news for them that in Christ believers are made acceptable by His precious shed blood - further all things, that would include sex and marriage, have been created by Him and for Him and when individuals thankfully accept His provision in these things in obedience to His reveal will it pleases Him.

I kinda of rambled here but let me repeat if God will is for you to marry thank Him, love the wife He gives and rejoice that He is so good, if it is His will not to(not your religions will for you) He will make that a blessing to you not a twisted burden.

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News Item8/18/07 10:49 AM
Mex | Mike  Find all comments by Mex
That is simply "bunk" Lance and you know it. Your disparaging comments about Mr. Brewer show that you think it is forced and not voluntary. You make him out to love sex more than Christ. I've heard the man before and he certainly loves the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible and hates the false one of your blasphemous mass. "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled"--even in your "priests" it would be honorable.
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News Item8/18/07 4:57 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Mex from Mike (???), I know you'd love to think it's forced, but it's plainly voluntary.

And it's not a doctrine.

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News Item8/18/07 12:16 AM
Mex | Mike  Find all comments by Mex
Lance,
The problem with Celibacy in the RCC is that it is FORCED, no matter what you say. A true pastor (not priest as there are no true priests in your church) should be allowed to marry and if he's not allowed to marry and remain in the church's service, then it is forbidden, and again, that is a doctrine of demons/devils.
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News Item8/17/07 8:41 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Mike, there's such a thing as church law and discipline. The RCC has every right to ask celibacy of those who wish to be priests.

Whether Peter was celibate or not (and I suspect he was once his mission began in earnest after the death of Christ) is not important.

I can't understand why the idea of celibacy upsets so many people. It allows those who have the will to undertake it to devote all their time to serving God in a particularly direct way. The fact that some fall by the wayside doesn't change that.

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News Item8/17/07 8:30 PM
mike | mex  Find all comments by mike
Lance,
Why is it so hard to understand that if Peter was married, and he was, then your celibacy requirement holds no water whatsoever?
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News Item8/17/07 6:49 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Jim, he's just another one of many priests throughout history who have said (with itching pants): "Not thy will but mine be done." Luther, Cranmer, Knox and Zwingli were some of the more outstanding examples, but there have been, and still are, thousands of others.

But I guess we all do that at times.

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News Item8/17/07 3:06 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Lance, this priest who became Christian preferred normalcy to abnormality. In actuality only a few called Christians can practice celibacy. Since the Catholic Magisterium is not Christian it is doubly condemned, q.v., "Clerical Celibacy,"

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=celibacy

By the way, I don't know I don't know if anybody commented on the Billy Graham article lately, but it is interesting. For a Christian he doesn't know a lot. It's too bad that he doesn't believe in the Bible more. No wonder he gets along with Catholic Magisterium so well.

"The Believer and Politics"

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonssource&sermonID=11005171618

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News Item8/16/07 11:07 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
I don't know Peter's later circumstances. If his wife was still alive maybe they lived together as husband and wife, or maybe they decided to forgo marital relations.

Whatever the case, it doesn't matter too much. The current law of the RCC (and it's a changeable law, not a doctrine) is that bishops don't marry, and that most priests do not marry.

If this priest in question was officially released from his commitment to celibacy and was married in an RC church, his marriage is valid. If he simply left the ministry and went through some other form of "marriage" ceremony, he is living in sin.

So what right does the RCC have to make such laws? Since the Church believes that it was given the power by Christ to "bind and loose" (Matt 16:19, 18:18), it considers it has every right to do so.

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News Item8/16/07 8:38 PM
Mike | mex  Find all comments by Mike
Why would he not be married in the eyes of God Lance?
Why, if Peter could be married, can your priests not be married? Did you all get that from Peter? That would make him a hypocrite wouldn't it?
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