Anger as Pope declares Protestants cannot have churches
Other Christians saw the latest document as another retreat from the spirit of openness generated by the Council, which laid the basis for talks on Christian unity. Bishop Wolfgang Huber, head of the Protestant umbrella group Evangelical Church in Germany, said: "The hope for a change in the ecumenical situation has been pushed further away by the document published today."
He said the new pronouncement repeated "offensive statements" in the 2000 document and was a "missed opportunity" to improve relations with Protestants. The president of the Federation of Evangelical Churches in Italy, pastor Domenico Maselli, called it a "huge step backwards in relations between the Roman Catholic church and other Christian communities".
A statement from the French Protestant Federation warned that the internal document would have "external repercussions".
I hope that the pope won't mind too much if I don't give a hoot what he has to say about much of anything. Maybe he should pay a little more attention to what is going on in his own camp. I don't see the Baptists, Methodists, or any other "community" paying out millions of dollars again and again in an effort to silence reaction to their systemic child molestation problem.
7/20/07,Whether you were serious or not I cannot tell but you gave familiar roman rubbish when you said, "...the net effect of II Tim.3:17,17, is that only the O.T. qualifies as scripture." Also,"How would St.Paul know what would be deemed scripture, 400 years before the fact?"
"Fundamentalism",by Anthony Gilles for St.Anthony Messenger Press,1984,says in regards to 'inspired of God', (Incidentally, when the writer says all Scripture, he is referring to the Old Testament since, at the time he wrote, the New Testament was not in existence.) ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED OF GOD, as opposed to the heretical Vatican II teaching that ONLY the salvific verses are authoritative! WOW! That council gave INSPIRED SCRIPTURE the bouncel!
You are correct.Because one has read Scripture one still may speak the doctrines of men but one cannot speak authoritatively without knowledge in the Bible.
That's good Peeter, because thats the level that you're best at. BTW...I have read the Bible, just not all of it. Would some kind soul explain that to peeter in 3rd grade lingo? You have no power to send anyone to hell, but perhaps one day you'll make it to 4th grade. I'm pulling for you peeter!
GG: Do you know that it is a lie and hypocritical to speak authoritatively about the bible which you have self-admittedly never read? Satan quotes the bible too, but he has at least read it. Your foolishness is continuing to show. I know mackrel snappers who have at least read the bible. You prove to be even an inadequate catholic. Hell is your final destination unless you Repent and Believe.
"Pepper" You are absolutely correct, "God is in Charge" and the BLIND will never know or see the TRUTH. Thank God for Sovereign Grace and the Word of God which teaches His children all things if we will only STUDY. This Pope has proved with his own words the truth about this false religion. The "CHURCH" is their God. We need to be thankful that we know the truth because it was given to us by God; we did not learn or deserve it in ourselves. This is the great mystery. Thank God for His Mercy Much love in the Lord to those of like precious faith.
Satan is please when nobody notices that islam is the beast and the catholics and protestants spend much time and energy pointing out how corrupt each others churches are. We are in the time of the apostasy every denomination is tainted. islam is the beast, repent, walk tight, hard times are coming. Hoo Raa!
What we have here, is a failure to communicate. When you say that God wrote the Bible, I have this picture of God staying up all week-end with a big ball-point pen. The truth I believe is that men wrote the bible, with all of their humanity and greed and weakness, and God jumped in to overshadow their words and inspire them with his own thoughts. He shaped the entire work from first till last until it told precisely the story that he wanted to tell. But, the books of the bible were written over hundreds of years, by many different people. The decision to label some books as inspired and not others, took several hundred years too.
Thank-you. No need for me to reply to GG's unbiblical statement about Paul writing revelation instead of the Scriptures being INSPIRED by God.
Also, GG, you continue to rant about the Scriptures being changed when in fact the papacy was the one who added to scripture with the counter reformation and the council of Trent. The apocrypha was not accepted not only by Christians the first 1500 years but also not by the Jews(whom Christ said had the Scripture and should know)and Jesus who was always quoting Scripture, expectedly, NEVER quoted what Rome LATER ADDED. No wonder it has so much unbiblical lies, heresy, corruption, etc.
"Galatians 1:9: VERSE 9. As we said before, so say I now again. If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. [You know, an anathema]
They must add nothing; they must correct nothing. "What you received from me is the genuine Gospel of God. Let it stand. If any man brings any other gospel than the one I brought you, or promises to deliver better things than you have received from me, let him be accursed."
In spite of this emphatic denunciation so many accept the pope as the supreme judge of the Scriptures. "The Church," they say, "chose only four gospels. The Church might have chosen more. Ergo the Church is above the Gospel." With equal force one might argue: "I approve the Scriptures. Ergo I am above the Scriptures. John the Baptist confessed Christ. Hence he is above Christ." Paul subordinates himself, all preachers, all the angels of heaven, everybody to the Sacred Scriptures. We are not the masters, judges, or arbiters, but witnesses, disciples, and confessors of the Scriptures, whether we be pope, Luther, Augustine, Paul, or an angel from heaven."
Ah then GG, Why did you say this? ""How would St Paul know what would be deemed scriture, 400 years before the fact? He was speaking of the scripture that he had first hand knowledge of. St Paus was not omniscient.""
Surely Paul didn't have to know, - since God wrote the Bible. All that men did was record it under the omniscient inspiration of the real Author.
Pepper: Popery...is that the dried flowers that my wife leaves all over the house? Actually, we of the RCC have always known that God was in charge and also that ALL of HIS words are inspired, whether written down by men or transmitted orally to men (the Apostles). What is so hard that Prots can't figure that part out....a lack of protein in their diets? Now...repeat after me...."God IS in Charge"..."God IS in Charge".
SBG: The fact remains that at the time that St Paul wrote the letter to Timothy, much of the New Testament was not written, or circulated to other Churches, so that the net effect of 2 Tim 3:16-17, is that only the O.T. qualifies as scripture. And, depending on whether you were a Jew or a Christian, there was a difference of opinion as to what was and what wasn't 'inspired'. Of course, Protestants, not to be swayed by 1500 years of Christian belief, decided to side with the anti-Christian Jews. Sorry, all words of God are inspired, whether they are written or spoken to the Apostles by Christ himself. This is how y'all fall into the ditch of heresy and can't get out. How would St Paul know what would be deemed scriture, 400 years before the fact? He was speaking of the scripture that he had first hand knowledge of. St Paus was not omniscient.
Typical roman rubbish. Only the Bible is "INSPIRED". Where does the Bible say that the roman tradition is "INSPIRED" by God? Too bad you only believe in the Old Testament. It nevers says: only the Old Testament; nor does it say: only the Scripture that you have at the monent: nor does it say: only the O.T. and tradition. What the Holy Spirt does say is that ALL SCRIPTURE IS INSPIRED BY GOD, no matter when it was written. Yes, the N.T. is also SCRIPTURE. I also looked at your post on the New Advent site. We of course must begin with Peter and the papacy's false claims. I will write later when time permits. II Timothy 3:16,17
No you aren't saved, John, because you haven't repented. From the Webster's 1913 dictionary,"3. (Theol.) To be sorry for sin as morally evil, and to seek forgiveness; to cease to love and practice sin. Except ye repent, ye shall likewise perish. Luke xii. 3."
If you can't stand Christians and value your physical family who aren't believers and the members of your local parish, we can only judge you by your works, and say you are NOT a Christian. Your presence in a Roman Catholic Church says that you approve of it, so you are aiding and abetting an apostate Church.