First off, I can't put up the parables here, not enough space. If I got anything wrong in my summaries, correct me. These parables are the words of Jesus when he walked this earth, and he taught about Heaven and Hell a lot, to teach and warn his own disciples, using different examples, so if they didn't "get it" from one example, they'd "get it" from the next.
People avoid the gospels, other than a few verses that they can construe to mean they were chosen and they have a ticket to Heaven and not to worry.
"Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?"
Answer: Hearing with faith.
"Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Galatians 3:2-3"
Perfected by the Spirit, if we walk in it. We are told not to quench, grieve or insult the Spirit. This requires our conscious cooperation and sacrifice and suffering to obey. This is not the same as saying so many Hail Marys, novenas, taking Mass, getting last rites, burning candles, etc.
Jesus said we'd be judged for our works, and we will be.
I'm not angry, I feel sorry that you're sitting under this kind of teaching.
It's obvious you can't rightly handle the Word of Truth. You've done nothing but paraphrase parables. I repeat, these works or not the basis of our salvation.
-Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Galatians 3:2-3
I really am done arguing with you. You can have the last word. I've said all I'm going to say to you, except come on out of the Romanist closet.
May God grant you repentance and bring to light the Glorious Doctrines of Grace.
Tom, you're obviously angry that I take fire against the heresy of the doctrine of eternal security.
Salvation is conditional on abiding faith.
Jesus said, if you abide in me, you will bear much fruit. If you fail to abide in me, you will dry up and be broken off and burned.
Ten virgins were betrothed to the bridegroom. Five of the virgins went dry of teh holy spirit, and were shut out of the marriage feast.
The lazy steward buried his talent. He didn't squander it or lose it, he just did nothing with it. His master was furious and the lazy steward went to Hell.
We can read what we will be judged for in Matthew. Jesus said, I was hungry, naked, in prison, etcetera, and you did not, did not, did not.
Not only must we not sin, but we must do good as well. If we hear the voice of the shepherd and obey, we won't sin and we will do good.
Paul ran the race for the high prize and was on guard always lest he become a castaway. He did not sit back and say, "Jesus will do everything. I'm just going to kick back and wait to die and go to Heaven."
Quenching, grieving and insulting the Holy Spirit will result in going dry, a very dangerous condition. Your doctrine of apathy and fatalism will result in going dry and staying dry.
Freewiller calls the Gospel of Grace "a really stupid lie".
NOT ONCE have I suggested a true believer will not bear fruit. However, that fruit is the RESULT, not the basis, of God's grace in Christ!
You mentioned apostasy and falling away in your first response to my initial post, as a supposed proof of your deviant position that the true believer can be lost. Let's look at Scripture, shall we? Something I have done repeatedly and you have not done once.
-"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." Matthew 24:24 -They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 1 John 2:19 -And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Phillipians 1:6
Shall I keep going? Although I don't know how much longer I want to fuss with you. You know your road leads to Rome, right? Maybe you should come out and expound on "purgatory".
The Sovereign God of the universe preserves his elect. Pretty clear to me, I'm sorry it's not clear to you.
Tom says: "What does "rationalizes the scriptures" mean?"
It means you dismiss the plain teachings with some lame heresy. In this case it's the heresy of "false profession," meaning if somebody who was once saved goes bad, it means they were never really saved in the first place.
This is pure bologny, a big lie, but if you want to hang on to that thought in order to justify a do-nothing Christianity, to sink into fatalism, then keep sinking in the quicksand. Eventually it will be too late for you.
Go ahead, tell me that on Judgment Day any Christian is going to regret giving themselves entirely to service to God, that God is going to chastise anybody for working too hard for him and giving of themselves too much. Sure.
Anybody who would fall for that load of bullfeathers is beyond gullible, and the Bible has another name, "fool." Somebody played a big trick on you, and you fell for it like a ton of bricks. They fooled you. You listened to a really stupid lie and believed it.
What does "rationalizes the scriptures" mean? I've simply taken a few of countless passages in the Bible that condemn your heresy. These are straight-forward words!! You're the one that twists scripture to your own destruction. Scripture DOES NOT contradict itself. So you need to understand the parables in light of these things.
All imperatives in Scripture follow the indicatives. It doesn't go in the other direction. You don't earn a promise. You act out of the knowledge of that promise!
Like all Pelagians, you confuse justification with sanctification. Just can't stand to give Christ "all" the glory, huh? You'll have a lot to boast about to Christ, huh?
If you're wrong--you've lost nothing? I beg to differ. If you're relying on your works, you have much to lose.
Tom from Minnesota rationalizes the scriptures to make them fit his fatalistic theology: "Like I said, there are false professions--i.e. three of the four soils in the parable of the sower etc."
No, they weren't false professions. We are saved by faith and faith cometh from hearing and hearing from the Word of God.
All four heard the Word. Three received it gladly. Even the hard soil kept it for a while but it never took root, because Satan came along and whispered heresies, counteracting the Word, stealing it.
But the second example kept the Word, received it gladly, it sprang up, and it was persecution which offended it, killed the seed that was growing nicely, getting ready to bear fruit.
The third example shows someone who was a fruit-bearing Christian for years, but finally their faith shriveled because they were too distracted by the cares of this life.
You need to face what this parable does teach and not just brush it away. Moral, a real Christian will bear continuous fruit. No fruit, no Christian.
This is only one of many teachings in the Bible that nullify your theology, but start here. Don't cling to a lie that will send you to Hell. If I'm wrong, I've lost nothing. If you're wrong, you lose your soul.
You conveniently ignored the Scripture in my post. Are you telling Christ that he really didn't save who he came to save. You sound more like the Romanists who teach salvation by works, undermining the Grace of Christ and robbing the sheep of their confidence in the work of Christ.
Like I said, there are false professions--i.e. three of the four soils in the parable of the sower etc.
Why are you so hostile to the Biblical doctrines of grace? Some more sayings from Christ on this matter from the same book. Try these on for size:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." John 6:44
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." John 10:27-30
No thanks to the Dan Corner website. If he's preaching what you are, it is not truth but Semi-Pelagianism/Arminianism. Maybe even full-blown Pelagianism!
Eternal security is the heresy (OSAS, Once Saved Always Saved). It's drummed into our heads so long and so often, we begin to think that IS the gospel, and it isn't.
The parable of the sower tells us that it is possible for a saved person to become lost, and that continous believing is required, not a one-time flash of faith, or a faith that endures for a time and then dwindles away.
Paul was a holy man of God who still feared to become a castaway and told us to follow his example, to press to the mark with more dedication than an athlete, for our prize is worth much more. Paul also warned that we not shipwreck our faith.
Jesus spent a lot of time teaching and warning his own disciples about Hell. The Bible says in the last days there will be a great "falling away." How can you fall away from something you were never part of?
The lazy servant and the backslidden servant both went to Hell, and so did five of the betrothed virgins, as Jesus warned.
Some sneer at these teachings as "just parables," but they are the direct words of Jesus himself when he walked among us.
Google Dan Corner's website for more truth on this.
"..., even for a period of a year or more, just for maintaining it's possible for a Christian once saved to become lost."
Just for maintaining...? I don't know that you should have been banned, that's SA's call. But you are a heretic. And if Washer says that, he is too. There are false proclaimers, but none who Christ died for will perish!!!!!
*All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day." John 6:37-39
The Gospel of John is replete with these statements of divine election and eternal security.
Dwayne from Sante Fe, If you got kicked off, can you get to somebody else's computer and post a message?
I am sick to death of this forum filled with Yamil and JD, all the antinomian fatalists who think they're going to be raptured and want to start WWIII before they leave.
After having a taste of your kindness to us as sisters in the Lord, we miss you all the more.
I asked SA to not ban you, but I received no answer.
I guess Abigail and I should be just thankful that Sermon Audio hasn't banned us as well. I've posted here for six or seven years, been banned numerous times, even for a period of a year or more, just for maintaining it's possible for a Christian once saved to become lost.
Now SA's most popular preacher, Paul Washer, says the same thing I got banned for.
It's because certain people who post here will go behind our back and work to get us banned. Used to be Walt the hyper-Calv ran the board, but now someone else watches over the board like a hawk to make sure nobody gets to post here who he disagrees with.
I think when you said you wanted to be martyred for Christ that's what did it, provided the "ammo" to get you banned.
"A recently-released Canadian Press-Decima Research survey revealed that 60 percent of Canadians believe that God had a role in creation."
"The results are surprising for a nation that is normally thought to have favored a more scientific view of life void of religion."
This shows how presupposition works. It is wrongly assumed to start with that God has to do with religion, not life itself. Along with the fact that there is nothing scientific in denying God as creator.
I miss Dwayne and wonder where he is. I hope he has not been banned from SA. I don't believe he said anything that should have caused him to be banned. Others have comments deleted frequently by the editor that have not been banned.
I know eugenics is part of the NWO. I have looked at Alex Jones' web site, but I have not heard his radio broadcasts. Eugenics is a part of their evil scheme to produce a perfect race for their perfect society for their utopia. They think the devil will winâ€”they reject the truth of God's Word and Jesus Christ. They use every forbidden and evil thing in the Bible to base their satanic religion on.
We live in a very evil world, and most people are not aware of the extreme wickedness that prevails in the dark recesses of the human heart. Without Christ, every person is desperately wicked, but the evil that masquerades as goodness among the world leaders is appalling. It is very strange that everyone cannot see what is transpiring. They live in a bubble and refuse to open their eyes to the truth of prophecy that is being fulfilled.
Good post, Abigail. It's obvious God loves to use those that are the cast-offs and the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.
I wonder where Dwayne is. I hope he will attempt to post again because I can't believe he's actually banned. Sometimes I will go to put up a post and it disappears into nothingness, but my next post goes up just fine.
Maybe Dwayne is just assuming he's banned but really isn't?
I miss his postings, learned things from him. BTW, do you ever listen to Alex Jones? He's working on a new film now, and some of it will deal with eugenics, which was not obliterated with the end of WWII. In fact, England and the U.S. funded Hitler and started the whole eugenics movement to begin with and have been promoting it bigger than ever since Hitler's defeat.
The NWO is all founded on the idea of eugenics, that by select breeding an elect group of "special" people will own the world and kill all the rest of us.
I see that kind of thinking on this board, people who think they are chosen and special by virtue of their genes, and that everyone else must die, burn in Hell. I suppose the Israel Firsters look at the Jews that way and maybe hope since they are supporting the "chosen" that perhaps they can go along for the ride.
This article proves that education is detrimental to faith. The less educated Canadians believe in strict creationism. The higher the education, the less likely to believe the Bible. When people use their own intelligence instead of being filled with the Spirit and allowing the Spirit to reveal the truth through the Word of God, they apostatize. In addition, schools adamantly teach evolution against creationism. Those who believe the Bible to be truth regardless of what sophisticates and intellectuals think are regarded as stupid fools.
"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, [are called]: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty. And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence."(I Cor 1:26-29)
Jesus chose uneducated men to be His disciples, with the exception of Matthew who was a tax collector.
"â€¦Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world in wisdom knew not God..."(I Cor l:20-21)
"The results revealed that the largest portion of people (34 percent) believed in God through science. The next highest was the strict evolutionists with 29 percent, and strict creationists had 26 percent of the total."
Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
Notice the qualification in the Word of God = "Through faith we understand..."