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FRONT PAGE  |  2/8/2016
WEDNESDAY, APR 18, 2007  |  9 comments
Ecumenical Church Heads Call for Tighter Gun Control
Church leaders in the United States and the wider international community have called for tighter gun control following Monday’s tragic mass killing at Virginia Tech.

The general secretary of the National Council of Churches, the Rev Bob Edgar, has called for “meaningful” legislation to put a stop to gun violence in America.

“Faith leaders have spoken up continually about the epidemic of gun violence in our country," Edgar said in a statement. "Despite repeated calls from faith and community leaders to Congress and presidents, nothing ever seems to get done to stem the tide." ...

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News Item4/19/07 1:07 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Hi Wayne,

Even if it were true that someone could go to another State with easier access to guns, buy one and return to NY, (which is illegal of course, which is why gun controls do not stop the bad guys) it only serves to point out that NY will have a higher crime rate than the State where the gun came from. I must then conclude that there are more important factors in the criminal acts than gun availability, which quite often is opposite of what you might expect.

The questions are, what is the atmosphere in each place? What takes place in the educational system? What is the moral and political climate there? Ultimately, it is criminal intent that ends in crime. The weapon is the tool used in the commission of the crime, not the reason for it.

I am not saying gun controls cause more crime, though they can make it easier for criminals to do their work
unhindered. I'm saying there is not a direct causal relationship between gun controls and diminished crime.

Sorry to hear you don't have the right to defend your family in your own house. Our government is attempting to rule the household, too, but there is still much resistance to such illegal and immoral acts


News Item4/19/07 12:25 AM
Wayne M. | British Columbia, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Mike from NY,

Thanks for the detailed response.

You said you have to jump through hoops and wait months to get a permit. But couldn't a criminal easily just drive a few hours to another state and walk into a local gun shop and pick up a handgun and drive back to NY? Isn't that what happended in Virginia the other day?

You say the states with the tightest controls have the highest crime rates. Are you suggesting gun controls somehow cause more crime? How could making it more difficult to get a gun, particularly a handgun, cause more crime? Just doesn't make sense Mike.

"Ever considered that when criminals know houses have no weapons inside, they see these as easier targets?" I cannot disagree with that statement, except I'm not sure a gun is the safest thing for home defense because it means a loaded gun would have to around in a convenient location. Too many innocent people shot.

Here in Canada, it is illegal to have a gun ready for a break-in. All hunting rifles must be locked in a proper gun cabinet and ammunition must be stored in a safe place somewhere else in the house and out of reach of kids of course. There is no using a gun for home defense in Canada. Handguns may not be legally carried on a person except by police, and fish and game officers.


News Item4/19/07 12:00 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Hi Wayne,

Yes, there is another reason for opposing tighter gun controls. Law-abiding citizens will abide by them. Lawbreakers won't.

Have you ever wondered why the States with the tightest controls generally have the highest crime rates? My own NY, for example. You have to jump through hoops and wait months for a pistol permit. Of course, criminals don't bother about such things.

Ever considered that when criminals know houses have no weapons inside, they see these as easier targets? Muggers don't worry much about getting shot in NY, either.

The bad guys love gun controls, Wayne. I see no reason to support them, nor their opportunist socialist brethren in government. There are no angels in the form of men there.


News Item4/18/07 10:56 PM
Wayne M. | British Columbia, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Mike from NY,

Aside from the fact that the head of the NCC calling for tighter gun control represents an apostate organization, do you have any other reason for opposing tighter gun controls?


News Item4/18/07 9:07 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
How can one trust the ecumenical church? All it does is promote confusion. Outward unity? Sure, but inward divisions and compromises of all kinds....not much different from the Roman Catholic Church.

News Item4/18/07 9:04 PM
Lurker | USA  Find all comments by Lurker
Imagine that! Churches leaning on the secular government seeking to legislate morality.

No wonder God has hid His face from the people who vainly profess to trust in His Son's name.


News Item4/18/07 7:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Church leaders in the United States and the wider international community have called for tighter gun control following Monday’s tragic mass killing at Virginia Tech.
The general secretary of the National Council of Churches, the Rev Bob Edgar, has called for “meaningful” legislation to put a stop to gun violence in America."

The National Council of Churches. What more do we need to know?


News Item4/18/07 7:50 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
You said it.

News Item4/18/07 5:45 PM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams
more ignorant people spouting ignorance
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