Speakers at the Virginia Tech convocation yesterday called on Allah and Buddha in their efforts to minister to the survivors, family and friends of victims of the shooting massacre at the school â but Jesus wasn't mentioned by name.
President Bush did offer a biblical message of hope, when he suggested the school community that lost 32 members to the shootings by an out-of-control resident alien student find "comfort in the grace and guidance of a loving God."
But even he didn't bring Jesus, the only hope of comfort and future life for Christians, into the memorials.
"I'm sitting here watching the convocation service at VT," wrote a WND reader who was given anonymity. "Five minutes ago they had four representatives from the local 'religious community.' The Muslim specifically invoked Allah's blessingsâŠ and he didn't shy away from saying the name of Allah. The Jewish rep asked for God's...
Sadness like a blanket has covered our screens. Our hearts go out to all those hurting at Virginia Tech. So many tears shed and hearts have been shaken up so badly. May your tears turn to JOY as we PRAY AND CALL ON the Lord of Peace, Jesus Christ. May he grant quick healing and may your darkness turn to light. He is a man of sorrows and he knows how to COMFORT those who are weeping. To all all the relatives, we in Europe are hurting with you and our PRAYERS, LOVE and THOUGHTS GO OUT TO YOU in THIS dark time. Take comfort and don't look for answers there aren't any in this tragedy
He does show them love but itâs only because they are tares mixed in with the wheat. He loves the wheat. It is His wheat field. The tares are also shown that same love and benefit from it (rain, sunshine, not being uprooted, etc.) but only for the sake of the wheat. His ultimate aim for the tares is to say âDepart from meâ but we, in Him, may only be involved in acting as He does now and wait for Him to exact the vengeance which is His alone to exact.
saved by grace: Thank you for your comments.
And I think the tip-toeing youâre talking about is the âthrough the TULIPsâ kind. Yep, I know what you mean.
Verse-by-verse is great but I, too, wouldnât want to try to restrict a pastor to that mode. The Spirit must lead the pastor/teacher.
Dan from TN, quote While I believe that God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5) I also believe that we who belong to Him in Christ Jesus are not allowed to. We are to love our enemies because we canât tell whether or not they are Godâs elect. He may just not have quickened them yet (a la Saul/Paul). end of quote
How ridiculous! 1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Seems Jesus loved His enemies or to command us to in light of if we abide in Him we must follow Him would make such a command nonsense.
Dear Dan, Just a quick note supporting your concluding remarks concerning pastor Conways sermon(which I hope to listen to). Two passages come to mind: - Romans 9 (if there are sermons on this incredible chapter there is normally a lot of tip-toeing going on, instead of a faithful verse by verse exposition). I am not a verse by verse only advocate but one of the advantages is that the pastor has to at least touch on every verse some and an oppurtunity for the Holy Spirit to work on a believers heart is available. - Proverbs 16 (especially verse 4).
Iâve carefully reread what I wrote to Ethan to see where he could have gotten the idea that I said anything about hating people. You know how you can express a thought in writing intending one meaning but a reader sees a totally different meaning? I canât find anything that could be so misconstrued!
While I believe that God hates the wicked (Psalm 11:5) I also believe that we who belong to Him in Christ Jesus are not allowed to. We are to love our enemies because we canât tell whether or not they are Godâs elect. He may just not have quickened them yet (a la Saul/Paul).
There is a great sermon yâall should listen to when you get time entitled âHell is Necessaryâ at
At 26:58 in the MP3 file Pastor Conway refers to a study done on 33 Bible texts on God's hatred. Only 12 are about God hating the sin and 21 have God hating the sinner. Biblically, we canât walk up to just anyone and say âJesus loves youâ. It ainât so for everyone.
de Silentio, Elvira no doubt meant another group, but I thought I would make it more truthful by pointing out Roman Church, and of course there are individuals who aren't in complete lock-step with their magisterium on some topics, and that leadership and those fanatical followers are those who are to be addressed. Any or all them from that Apostate Church should read, http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0200W2.htm
Dear Ethan, I do mean to be gentle and to listen to what you are saying trying to see where you stand as far as salvation goes. But as an ambassador of Jesus Christ I must always be bold with the truth of God's Word the Bible. The Scriptures give us a grand principle in regards to evangelization: "So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God". I agree wholeheartedly with Martin Luther reiterates the Bibles message here with the statement, "The Word comes first, and with the Word the Sritit breathes upon my heart so that I believe." If you do becomes a child of God it can only happen through the "power" of His Word. Hebrews 4:12
Ethan from MA Your words bring back a lot of memories to me. I know what it is to hate Christians and to think Christians are such hypocrits and of course there are really too many of those.
So let me think... you would very much like God to be loving and kind and to really help you in your life BUT somewhere inside you know (and you might refuse to acknowledge it but you do know) that you have broken the commandments and law of God and are guilty and deserve not His love but His punishment... and that is why you hate "Christians", especially any who have actually done you wrong...also the thought of being a Christian, one surrendered to Jesus Christ who actually loves Him, follows Him, serves Him and obeys Him is both frightening and ludicrous.
Why God Himself would have to make Himself, and what Christianity really is, real to you, humble your will, change your desires and
Save you from your sins
In short that would kill you but give you new life to His glory and to your unimaginable joy.
Do you find it impossible that Protestants can hate an ungodly institution, the RCC, and rebuke those who defend it yet love Catholics and pray that God may have mercy on them and draw them out of darkness into the marvelous Light of His Son?
Do you have a point of view you would like to express or did you just need to vent off some steam?
saved by grace: You were saved through His Word the Bible? What is the Bible, the fourth person of the Trinity? I do, however, appreciate your sincerity, SBG.
Dan: Oh I see. God hates sinners (prostitutes, tax collectors, Samaritans, you know, those people he ate with and came to save) so that means you have to hate them too. Because you've been born from above now, you have the keys to the kingdom and look down from heaven as one of the elect and judge everyone else as damned in the full meaning of the word, as you've so graciously defined. Perhaps I will amend my first comment: "Damned Foolishness" versus "Damned Fools" because this foolishness belongs in Hell, yes, that other real place. I can very well use "damn" in the colloquial, tv-watching sense and make my point perfectly clearly. I also have a host of other four letter words that spruce up my English as well and know perfectly well what each of them mean in various contexts. Perhaps this can just give you more reason to condemn me as one who has not been elected. It absolves you of having to be concerned with anyone since you are just hating those whom God hates.
Loving God implies hating what He hates and causes us to be zealous for Him and his word. We have guidelines in that written word on dealing with Christian actors (hypocrites) - those who hold to another Gospel and therefore another Jesus.
In your comment, you misuse Bible words like âdamnâ - a word that everyone needs to know really means something instead of just being an adjective to hurl. The whole world â every single person ever born (One excepted) â is under Godâs curse, condemned, damned EXCEPT for those He has chosen (undeservedly) to rescue for Himself. The way you use it shows that, like most of the TV-watching world, you donât its meaning.
When you say âsure as hellâ do you realize that you have expressed the Bible truth that hell is real?
This is serious stuff and it does warrant many of the comments on this site to which you object. What you perceive as âhateâ is often meant to protect the young (in the faith) from being deceived. Even those who are true believers are to be treated this way if they refuse to be corrected with the hope that they will repent and return to the fellowship.
Please take Godâs word more seriously and you may have a change of mind.
Dear Ethan, If you believe the doctrines of the rcc I also did for 33 years before the Lord marvelously saved me through His Word the Bible. As an unbeliever I could not love God. Paul tells us in Romans and Ephesians that we are at war with God and only when we realize that all our so-called righteous acts are like filthy rags to God and that Jesus Christ is perfectly sinless and holy may we begin. Paul tells us in Romans 7 that a person in the flesh(unbeliever) cannot please God! He also tells us in Hebrews 11 that the only way to please God is by faith! If you would like to be looked upon as just in God's sight way. Romans 1 tells us that thand have life eternal there is only one "the just shall live by his faith". No church has the way. Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one cometh to the Father but by me." No church, no baptism, only the eternal Lord. I hope you will respond. In Christ's Truly Amazing Grace.
Jim is a Protestant which is by definition anti-Catholic (or at least anti-Catholicism).
Thanks, Jim, for the ref to another good article (âThe Perils of Poperyâ). And I sure couldnât be present at such a âconvocationâ even if the president was there. We as believers in Jesus (the only Way of salvation) canât support by our silent presence the public praying of leaders of false religions like Islam, Buddhism or Romanism.
What would Christian be doing at a mixed religious event anyway? They shouldn't be there, even though an evangelical preacher should have been there to say,
Luke 12 16 And he spoke a parable to them, saying, The land of a certain rich man brought forth abundantly. 17 And he reasoned within himself saying, What shall I do? for I have not [a place] where I shall lay up my fruits. 18 And he said, This will I do: I will take away my granaries and build greater, and there I will lay up all my produce and my good things; 19 and I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much good things laid by for many years; repose thyself, eat, drink, be merry. 20 But God said to him, Fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee; and whose shall be what thou hast prepared? 21 Thus is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
"Most of the other official statements of condolence released also ignored the savior of the Christian faith."
Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
And so the hate emerges because, as He predicted, of the name of Jesus.
Whats in a name? Matthew 12:21 "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust." Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:18 "And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye."
And finally James 2:7 "Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?"