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Choice News MONDAY, APR 16, 2007  |  57 comments
Creation Museum's 1st visitor? Bill Maher
The new $30 million, 60,000-square-foot Creation Museum, built on prime real estate near Cincinnati's airport, isn't scheduled to open its doors officially until May 28, but it already had its first celebrity visitor.

The facility, the crowing achievement of Answers in Genesis, which defends a biblical worldview including its account of Creation, was visited unexpectedly – and covertly – by comedian Bill Maher, formerly of ABC's "Politically Incorrect" and lately of HBO's "Real Time," and who once said Christians suffer from a neurological disorder.

Ken Ham, president of the organization, calls the incident part of "an elaborate media deception."

"A video crew with so-called 'First Word Productions' arranged to come to AiG to visit the museum for a documentary on world religions," explains Ham. "At the end of their three-hour visit and taping, they wanted to do a sit-down interview with me in ...

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News Item4/25/07 10:30 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
Yes, Bro Williams
You're absolutely right. After looking at the verse, then the passage again; I'm trying to figure out what I was seeing, and where. Maybe it was a trail
from something else I was checking out,
or maybe I was just happy about something. At any rate, I don't know about 'thought out', but I guess it was
kind of 'spaced out'. Thanks for following up. I suppose that's what happens, when I just babble on.

News Item4/25/07 8:45 PM
Bro. Williams | Ky  Find all comments by Bro. Williams
Publican: surely that statement wasn't thought out... the first example in that passage would verse 5 which is negative... so the dictionary wouldn't be following the Bible (which has an extreme tendency to be negative I might add).

and the very first time it is used in the Bible in Gen 6:3 it is negative as well...


News Item4/25/07 6:44 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
Well, Bro. Williams; I am happy that the dictionary follows the lead of the Bible, in that it places the positive definition of the word, first.

News Item4/25/07 6:10 PM
Bro. Williams | Ky  Find all comments by Bro. Williams
publican: it is needful to balance. mind 2Tim 2:14 which tells us to strive! that is the same passage. There is also 2Tim2:5.

News Item4/25/07 5:45 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
My apologies, Bro. Williams,
You are right; there are more meanings
than one. I mean; to contend, to quarrel, to fight; with regard being had to its opposite, 'in meekness and patience, instructing those that oppose ourselves'. If we are rejected out of hand, we should 'shake the dust from our feet'. Vituperative exchanges
should be beneath us. Remember grace.
Thank you, my friend, for your response.

News Item4/25/07 8:35 AM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams

(disclaimer: this isn't meant harsh)

what are saying point blank? not to strive?


News Item4/25/07 12:11 AM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
Perhaps I am not fit to post here, but I would like to humbly address you all.

'The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves'... need I go on?

If I love the Lord my God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength; and my neighbor as myself; and believe in Jesus Christ, Whom He has sent; I will own myself a Christian.
Perhaps the Lord has shown you something that He hasn't shown me; or maybe He has given me that which you cannot perceive. I may be in error because I have interpreted a portion of Scripture literally; I may be in error because I have interpreted a portion of Scripture figuratively. These things, at any rate, must be taken into account... when I am trying to gain my brother. Because I think that I may know how creation came about, at the hands of the God of the Bible; or who the 'two witnesses' are;
or what may be the 'mark of the beast', does not mean that I may assign to everyone their place.
I plead with you all; let us mind Paul, in his epistle to Timothy. After all, and I will relegate this possibility to my own backyard... I may be wrong. With affection for you all, in Him. Thank you for listening.


News Item4/24/07 10:39 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
When the Bible says one thing, and then along comes somebody who says something totally new, I'm opting for the Bible, Bravo. Does that make me an Apostle? No. Do I strive to live according to the Apostles? Yes. Did the Apostles warn to keep the congregation pure of contrary doctrine and heretics? Yes. So I have a repsonsibilty to keep my conscience pure and undefiled and test doctrines and spirits which I encounter in my life. For this reason I will live by my confession of faith and not submit to that which is contrary and divisive. I don't know if that answers your question, but that's my take on it.

News Item4/24/07 10:08 PM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams

Not all who disagree are lost, only those who do not adhere to the gospel of grace according to Romans 10 and I Cor. 15. Generalization is such an easy way to make statements, but generally wrong.

I am not always right, but the Bible is. If something is askew in the beliefs it due to man approaching in the flesh and not being taught by the Spirit.


News Item4/24/07 9:20 PM
Bravo_777 | San Francisco, CA  Find all comments by Bravo_777
Hello All!

I have to say, an article about Bill Maher visiting Ken Ham's "museum" certainly spawns some strange conversations.

I read these posts on SA for about a year before I put in my two cents about 2 weeks ago. In that short time 2 people (I think) have thanked me for refraining from personal attacks or calling other's faith into question. So I have a question for all of you. Why are you all so certain of the particular doctrines you hold to that you constantly claim those who disagree with you are unregenerate sinners deceived by the Devil? I've never witnessed a group of folks so thoroughly convinced they're right that they don't have any room for grace. I say “particular” doctrines because you all seem to believe Jesus is the Word Made Flesh who died on the cross for the sins of the world and rose from the dead three days later; orthodox so far. But then you believe an endless string of doctrines across all points on the spectrum, and believe them so strongly that you denounce one another as heretics like you were the Apostles themselves denouncing Gnostics. What good is the scripture you say you love when none of you seem to be able to agree on what it says?


News Item4/24/07 6:54 PM
Lurker | USA  Find all comments by Lurker
Original Cheryl is back like the east wind! She wrote:

"Wayne, tell him he's wrong! Lurker! DB! Mike from NY! Williams! Where are all you Antinomians when I need you!"

If I were to venture a guess I'd say that Yamil is striving to submit to the Spirit so the fruit of the Spirit which God loves will rise above the old man and the fruit thereof which are as filthy rags and a stink in God's nostrils. And you want me to tell him he's wrong? I don't think so.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


News Item4/24/07 4:53 PM
Todd | Pa  Find all comments by Todd
A response to Expositor:
My earlier comment on Gods Providence in this case was in regards to Bill Maher being nearly the first visitor to the Museum given the fact that he hates God,Gods Word and Gods people.Is Mr Maher Troubled about something??? Hmmm I wonder if it could be his conscience. As to what I should read and believe. I will believe the scriptures alone. Mans opinions are just that "OPINIONS"

News Item4/24/07 3:14 PM
Bro. Williams | KY  Find all comments by Bro. Williams
Cheryl: On pleasing God.

First, refusal to confess equals the same thing as a bad confession in the passage of I John 4:2. Can you confess that Jesus is come in the flesh?

And then, on your pleasing God confusion... it is really sad that you can't simply pick up a Bible and find these things out for yourself.

Ro 8:8-9 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Thessalonians 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Sure hope that helps!!!


News Item4/24/07 2:26 PM
Jolly Green Giant  Find all comments by Jolly Green Giant
"Well, it goes to show you that you do not have me figured out yet. It may be that all those strawmen in your head become too many to follow."

You can't figure someone out who completely changes their personna.

Is it a personna, or is this change permanent?

I could put up some of your old postings to show that I'm not erecting strawmen but I think you've stated your position enough on here that anybody should know you have turned a page in your theology, hopefully never to look back again.


News Item4/24/07 2:18 PM
Jolly Green Giant  Find all comments by Jolly Green Giant
Yamil, you used to not talk this way. What happened to you! You used to outdo Seaton in being Antinomian. Now look at you. What happened!

Really, to compare what you're saying now with things you said a short while ago -- it's night and day.

Did you get the Baptism of the Holy Ghost? Is that what happened?

Your doctrines have changed dramatically and totally. Next thing you'll be posting against sin on here, which would definitely be a shock, a real first, advocating that we should care for our fellow man, have mercy and compassion for others, try to defend the innocent and the helpless, reach out to those in need.

Up to now, sin was no biggie to you.

So what happened? BTW, what things do you think you'll be doing to please God, other than posting tough like a real man on SA?


News Item4/24/07 2:02 PM
Jolly Green Giant | Jolly Green Giant  Find all comments by Jolly Green Giant
"I think I will choose to stick to the Bible and try my best to please God."

Where in the Bible does it say to try to please God. I thought that was being a Pharisee, trying to work your way to Heaven. Is this your own idea about pleasing God? What gives you the right to be holier than God, to try to do things that God doesn't want you to do, expect you to do, and that will get you nothing but to be boasting when you get to Heaven.

We are saved by faith, not by works, lest any man should boast, right? So if all your works are as filthy rags, what makes you think you can please God with them?

Cone on. Let's have some Bible here to support your man-made ideas that you can actually please God or have a reason to even want to.

Wayne, tell him he's wrong! Lurker! DB! Mike from NY! Williams! Where are all you Antinomians when I need you!


News Item4/24/07 1:42 PM
Jolly Green Giant  Find all comments by Jolly Green Giant
"There is nothing one can do to earn salvation, but there is everything one can do to have fellowship with God."

Why would God want to take somebody to Heaven that he had no fellowship with? If God wants nothing to do with you here on Earth, why should he want anything to do with you in Heaven?

If God can't see the dung underneath the snow, what more is there? If God only sees Jesus, not you, what does it matter?

And besides, if you want to sin, why not just go ahead and do it, and what's a little lack of fellowship anyway, long as you don't end up in Hell who cares?

And how come you never mentioned anything about fellowship with God in all this time you've been posting if it's so important to you as you say? Usually when something is important it's the first thing they talk about, not the last thing.

Are you sure you're not pulling my Jolly Green Leg?

BTW, I fail to see anything whatever that's "precious", as you say, about being an Antinomian.


News Item4/24/07 1:38 PM
Wayne M. | British Columbia, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Cheryl (Jolly Green Giant),

I am not worried about what you say.

I know I'm far from perfect; a sinner like everyone else. Are you bent on finding fault?

"For thy name's sake O Lord, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.

What man is he that feareth the Lord? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose." Ps. 25:11,12


News Item4/24/07 1:30 PM
Jolly Green Giant  Find all comments by Jolly Green Giant
"Anything else is not the salvation of the Bible. For when the Spirit indwells you, he commences a work of change."

Hey, the Spirit will do it, so why worry?

Aren't you taking things into your own hands? You call this faith? Aren't you advocating a works salvation according to what you've always said before in your other postings?

You are working for fellowship? It's okay to work for fellowship, but not for anything else?

Why worry about anything? This is just works salvation according to what you've always said.

And the Spirit indwells you and will take care of all the pleasing anyway, right?

What can you do to earn anything with God other than to say the Sinner's Prayer?

Isn't this what you've always advocated? You should be more consistent, like Wayne, stick to the snow-covered dung idea at all times, show that you have a mature faith like his.


News Item4/24/07 1:30 PM
Wayne M. | British Columbia, Canada  Find all comments by Wayne M.
Verses to show there is no need to worry about anything.
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