The main Protestant grouping of churches in Latin America, which for years was seen as a religious embodiment of left-wing politics, began its six-yearly gathering in a Pentecostal church in Buenos Aires with a lively worship service - writes Peter Kenny for Ecumenical News International (ENI).
Several delegates noted how the Latin American church council has in recent years moved closer to the mushrooming Pentecostal and Evangelical churches which are outstripping the traditional Protestant and Roman Catholics churches in membership growth.
The immediate past president of CLAI, the Rev Walter Altmann, a theologian from the Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil, who is now moderator of the WCC central committee, commented on how the engine for church unity in the region, ecumenism, is changing....
Can I just thank those papist's who use this site to bring in their heresy's,and to just say,that by not answering my questions,you have shown yourself,your church,and the papish system to be built on lies. btw Lance,if you have to avert your eyes,then you have already seen enough to cause you to sin,but as the bible says"and if any man sin we have an advocate with the father,JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS". Notice its not a saint, a priest, or a pope,but CHRIST who's blood cleaneth us from all sin
Lincoln Jim: My brother's Non Denominational Church does not have any error. It is only in your warped mind that not preaching against the RCC is error. Preaching hatred against any church that acknowledges the Deity Of Christ and the Holy Trinity is not being very Christlike.
Cbcpreacher: I have read quite a bit of both the Old and New Testaments in the Catholic Version(New American Bible Copyright 1971) of the Holy Bible and the King James Version of the Holy Bible both of which I own and read. I have not read all of the Holy Bible yet. And my brother's Non Denominational Church preaches more then Romans 10:9-10. That Non Denominational Church preaches from the entire Bible.
GG I take the KJV as GODS LITERAL words,now answer my questions on those erroneous doctrines that come along with your literal belief of JN 6. I know you won't answer them,as you can't find any answers on your "ask a papish web site",nor can you ask your priest(or have you),because like him you will spout venom and lies about something else to try and deflect us away from your false belief on CHRIST speaking literally in JN 6 about eating HIM.
GG:You stated: " The Catholic Church teaches that the side-effects of mortal sin are 'Eternal punishment' in hell, and 'Temporal punishment' on earth, in the form of human suffering, or the need to do penance to accomplish restitution. If restitution is still not accomplished by the end of our lives, we go to Purgatory as another form of expiation, likened to fire. Unrepentant sinners go to Hell, people with blemishes on their soul go to Purgatory and eventually to Heaven afterwards. Indulgences are used to remove 'temporal punishment' by the method of 'doing penance' to avoid Purgatory. Rev 21:27, Matt 22:1-14, Matt 18:21-35, 1 John 16-17,2 Sam 12:13-14, Num 14:13-23, 1 Kings 11:11-13.
The problem is you said The Catholic Church teaches....
But the scriptures do not teach purgatory.
NOWHERE in the references that you gave is purgatory mentioned, and nowhere is the "concept" of purgatory taught. Sorry, but your doctrine is invented by a church that invents it's doctrine as it goes along.
The Catholic Church teaches that the side-effects of mortal sin are 'Eternal punishment' in hell, and 'Temporal punishment' on earth, in the form of human suffering, or the need to do penance to accomplish restitution. If restitution is still not accomplished by the end of our lives, we go to Purgatory as another form of expiation, likened to fire. Unrepentant sinners go to Hell, people with blemishes on their soul go to Purgatory and eventually to Heaven afterwards. Indulgences are used to remove 'temporal punishment' by the method of 'doing penance' to avoid Purgatory. Rev 21:27, Matt 22:1-14, Matt 18:21-35, 1 John 16-17,2 Sam 12:13-14, Num 14:13-23, 1 Kings 11:11-13.
GG: If indulgences are for sins already confessed, repented and forgiven by God as you state, then what is the indulgence for and what is it supposed to accomplish, and where is it taught in scripture?
Lance thankyou for your answer,but I ask"do romanistd believe infallibly",so if by the answer you gave gave me,that you mean you do believe infallibly. If you are infallibly certain you have the true sacraments,then the doctrine of your church as to INTENTION is False,true or not? If you are not infallibly certain,then your Pretention to infallibility is practically Useless,true or not?
Like I have pointed out before to you lance,the papish church is neither catholic nor christian,and protestant churches have two sacraments instituted by OUR LORD,not made up by man.
But Hey Thats Why "ye must be born again" As baptism doesn't do it for you
GG, once again, you use sarcasm to the detriment of your own soul. I didn't ask how many Bibles you have, how many do you read? The only reference you give to reading scripture is in the context of your church. How about personally? Do you ask God to instruct you ar do you just wait for your priest to tell you what the church says it means? The John 6 issue is getting old. Truth is truth, stop trying to deflect from that issue.
We aren't allowed to have sects outside of marriage. Why am I not allowed to read the bible? I have two of them, one Prot and one Catholic. We hear scripture read 3 times, at every Mass. We read all of scripture not just the parts that we like...and we have over 2000 years of studying the word of God by some of the best scholars that the world ever produced. Why don't you believe Matt 16 and John 6 literally...you believe in 'Literal inerrancy'?
GG, from what I've seen, Albert has some questions for you to answer on John 6. Also, once again, why would you tell me to read something that you, by the authority of your church, are not allowed to read? By the way, if Rome is the one true church, why are there so many different Catholic sects? We may outnumber you, but the argument still stands, if Rome is the one true church, why so many sects within it?
"Do romanists believe infallibly that they have true sacraments or not?"
MyResp: What do you mean by 'believe infallibly'? Do I 'believe infallibly' or does the Church 'believe infallibly'?
"What I find so amazing here is how quickly the Roman Catholics on this post quote scripture when they themselves are not supposed to read or interpret them on their own."
MyResp: How could we post scripture, "So Quickly", if we were forbidden to read it? If we interpreted scripture for ourselves, we would wind up like so many, many (over 33,000 Protestants denoms and counting!) of our Protestant cousins, in the wrong Church.
"Study the Book for yourselves putting aside your churches' teaching and see what it has to say."
MyResp: I'll make you a challenge. Read Matt 16, Acts 2:38-39, and John 6 literally...as you already claim that you believe the bible literally....now actually do it!
What I find so amazing here is how quickly the Roman Catholics on this post quote scripture when they themselves are not supposed to read or interpret them on their own. I know that often, like GG and Lance, they are spouting what their church force feeds them. However, you have a closet Catholic like JY and he takes the best of both worlds. I wonder how much of the Bible JY has actually studied or if he just regurgitates what he has heard at "that Non Denominational Church that my brother belongs to"? Obviouslyu, from what I've read, all they preach on is Romans 10:9,10. Here's a challenge to GG, JY, and Lance. Study the Book for yourselves putting aside your churches' teaching and see what it has to say. You will find, even with your unregenerate minds, that the Bible goes against MOST of what the RCC teaches and gives a broader context of salvation than what that Non-Denom church teaches. But as Albert always writes:"But Hey Thats Why "ye must be born again" Sorry, Albert. Hope that's not a copyright infringement
Too bad, John, that your brother's church is in such great error. Not to preach against the Roman Church is a grievous error.
The motto should be never together with the Roman Church.
Any church that preaches salvation by works is a work of Satan.
No John, an alter call is not a "sacrament" like extreme unction (of course they aren't any sacraments.) "f anyone says that by the sacraments of the New Law grace is not conferred ex opere operato [by the very act itself], but that faith alone in the divine promise is sufficient to obtain grace, let him be anathema [excommunicated and thereby damned]." ---Council of Trent. Anyone who agrees with the above is anathema of course.
John Yurich, The church which takes the Bible alone."Ye shall not add unto this word; neither shall ye diminish ought from it." You like to defend the papacy and many added traditions, but the only church I see in the New Testament is that "which is built upon the Apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone." So the Apostles testified. Nothing in that verse about needing popes to help support the church.
GG Thats a gread answer you gave to those questions. Well even that answer is hypacritical to your believing in JN 6 literally,just like your other papish brother Lance. All what you say makes me believe you couldn't find any scripture for your belief,and also you couldn't even find an answer on your "ask a papish web site". When you go to mass next,maybe you can ask the priest to give you a scriptural answer for those erroneous doctrines that come along with your literal belief of JN 6. But something tells me your priest doesn't believe in the Literal sense of JN 6 either. "ye do err,not knowing the scriptures,nor the power of GOD".matt 22-29
But Hey Thats Why "ye must be born again"
btw,was the latin bible brought out by pope sixteh an infallible copy