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FRONT PAGE  |  9/21/2014
MONDAY, SEP 18, 2006  |  17 comments
I.R.S. Eyes Religious Groups
With midterm elections less than two months away, Christian conservatives are enlisting churches in eight battleground states to register voters, gather crowds for rallies and distribute voters’ guides comparing the candidates’ stands on issues that conservatives consider “family values.”

This election year, however, the religious conservatives are facing resistance from newly invigorated religious liberals and moderates who are creating their own voters’ guides and are organizing events designed to challenge the conservatives’ definition of “values.”

Both religious flanks are looking nervously over their shoulders at the Internal Revenue Service, which this year announced a renewed effort to enforce laws that limit churches and charities from involvement in partisan political campaigns. ...


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News Item11/2/06 12:35 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
If Hovind's organization is not a Biblically-constituted church, then the 501C3 issue is moot, since ecumenical, single-issue parachurch ministries have no Biblical precedent anyway.
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News Item11/2/06 12:24 PM
James T.  Find all comments by James T.
Excellent point,Arthur.501-C3 began under President Johnson.Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (shackles).Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church. 501c3 churches prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day. For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortionhomosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. 501c3 has had a chilling effect upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ a cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.Churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government.First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of civil government: Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Hovind has courage only the LORD provides a man.
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News Item11/1/06 4:08 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Better to learn about 501C3 constraints from the IRS itself:

www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=155030,00.html

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News Item11/1/06 4:04 PM
Michael jude | tx  Contact via emailFind all comments by Michael jude
According to the IRS, 501-c3 Christian churches, ministries, and organizations may not:
Expose conspiracies.
Criticize the New World Order.
Discuss government persecution or injustice, such as happened at Waco, Ruby Ridge, and elsewhere
Say or publish anything negative about any politician
Criticize government agencies and bureaus
Criticize an institution of government such as the White House, the Congress, the Federal Reserve Board, or the Supreme Court.
Criticize any proposed or pending bill or legislation that would take away the rights and freedoms of the people.
Support or encourage the Second Amendment, the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
Identify homosexuality as a sin and an abomination to God.
Criticize the civil powers of the the Vatican , the UN and the CFR .
Warn about the government plan to chip you like a dog with a mark in the right hand.
And then , after the precious things are removed from the temple,and they have emasculated and raped all truth ministers wonder why their numbers are down. . When they start hauling off Christians to FEMA camps remember your minister will be silent , as he did with the children burned at Waco will not say a word against the state- his precious lord
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News Item11/1/06 9:57 AM
HaveYouNotRead | Iowa  Contact via emailFind all comments by HaveYouNotRead
People keep quoting "Render unto Cesaer... " to show Hovind should pay income taxes. But saying this is incorrect. Who was caesar? The government. Where do our income taxes go? The government? No. 0% of what we pay in income taxes goes to the government, it goes to the Federal Reserve (which is NOT part of the Federal Government but a private orginization) to pay for intrest that they charge the government to use the money it claims to print (some it does, but some is just numbers on a computer). And the IRS is just their hired gun enforcing their own, unconstitutional rules, not laws as there is no law requiring paying of income taxes.

When Jesus said to "Render unto Cesaer", Ceaser was the government. The Federal Reserve and IRS are not.

In His Service... Arthur

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News Item11/1/06 7:45 AM
priscilla | Florida  Find all comments by priscilla
Wikipedia has more pages written about Kent Hovind than they do about the 911 terrorist Mohammed Atta!
Do you not think this ODD ?

Kent Hovind has taken on massively endowed tax funded universities and put them to an open and public shame.

Did you really think that there would not be repercussions from this?

So easy to believe and pass on all you read without fully hearing and understanding both sides of the matter.

But remember while you rejoice in joyous exaltation over the destruction of Kent Hovind that next that article written may be about YOU , Christian . And the right of Habeus Corpus is GONE.

So while we wander about from house to house speaking what we ought not about Hovind needing to render unto Caesar maybe first dear Christian you may want to look within..and look at your own cushy tax situation.

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. 501 C-3 is SIN.

Lord said there would be a coin in the fishes mouth and too many ministers mouths today are guided by their HEAD the state. For tax exempt dainties they sell out Christ.

Not only this but now the ravenous pack runs to bash the poor man who had courage..stood up to the task and did the job. Shame!

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News Item10/1/06 2:02 PM
Rudy Goins | Georgia  
THe bible says render unto caesar the thing that are caesar. When Paul was given money for the work of the ministry is was not tax because it was not earned income.
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News Item10/1/06 1:57 PM
Rudy Goins | Georgia  
The I.R.S is not congress they are a organizstion alone. The goverment won't even mess with I.R.S
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News Item9/26/06 12:18 PM
KK | USA  
el

I looked at the web page you posted and thought I would post a quote taken from it...

“A more certain way to attack religion is by favor, by the comforts of life, by the hope of wealth; not by what reminds one of it, but by what makes one forget it; not by what makes one indignant, but by what makes men lukewarm, when other passions act on our souls, and those which religion inspires are silent. In the matter of changing religion, State favors are stronger than penalties.”
The Spirit of the Laws, Baron de Montesquieu (1748)

Ponder that my brothers...

Let us NOT be lukewarm!!!

Let us NEVER be silent!!!

Wake Up Call...

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News Item9/24/06 10:55 PM
el | mo  
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The following is from www.hushmoney.org

Churches Need Not Apply

In order to be considered for tax-exempt status by the IRS an organization must fill out and submit IRS Form 1023 and 1024. However, note what the IRS says regarding churches and church ministries, in Publication 557:

Some organizations are not required to file Form 1023. These include:

Churches, interchurch organizations of local units of a church, conventions or associations of churches, or integrated auxiliaries of a church, such as a men’s or women’s organization, religious school, mission society, or youth group. These organizations are exempt automatically if they meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).

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News Item9/19/06 12:04 PM
Jay | Toledo, Ohio  
Thank you Jim for the information. I think we are in agreement on this. My wording may have been confusing.
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News Item9/19/06 10:44 AM
KK | USA  
If you get right down to where the nail splits the wood "We The People" are to blame for letting this I.R.S. threat go on as long as it has.

Lyndon Baines Johnson is the one who instituted this grand plan --- Yes, he's the KNUCKLEHEAD that started the whole thing.

You bunch of spineless jellyfish --- if you want to change it UNIFY your efforts --- CALL --- WRITE and E-mail your Representatives (Public Servants ??? --- [ they don't know what that means ]) --- REMIND them WHO they WORK FOR --- and KEEP REMINDING them --- AND IF they don't get things RIGHT, then we MUST VOTE them OUT !!!

We need to see to it that their Pay Plan is DONE AWAY WITH Also !!!

They Need To DO The Job "We The People" Put them There To DO And When The Job Is DONE they Need To GO Find Something Else To DO With NO FURTHER Pay From TAXPAYERS !!!

Wake up America !!!

Enough IS *ENOUGH* !!!

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News Item9/19/06 9:56 AM
Forbes Frater | Willow Grove, Pa.  
Jesus paid taxes. The Apostles paid taxes. Churches began to become taxers themselves in the middle ages and into the 20th centruy in some countries. In America they don't pay any taxes despite generating billions in revenue. It's disgraceful, and un-biblical. They should pay as they receive services like everyone else and many of the pastors and officers live pretty high on the hog. Furthermore, more and more churches every day in this country get involved in politics from both the left and the right. You want to play? Then you got to pay!
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News Item9/18/06 2:23 PM
Neil | Tucson  
"what the Lord called us to do was to spread the Gospel, not to play around in temporal politics"

That certainly applies to Dispie meddlers in American foreign policy & Israeli politics.

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News Item9/18/06 2:07 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
Jay, what the Lord called us to do was to spread the Gospel, not to play around in temporal politics. The right wing agenda has little to do with family values, as the Governor of Calif. has proven but about getting Catholics elected.

I would suggest rendering to Caesar what is proper,

http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L121.pdf

http://www.ihcc.org/index.php?id=article&art_id=Z0ED7n1mQByn5awPx4F0lrQGZ

or a sermon on the issue,

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=10505121650

Spreading the Gospel is the full time business of the Church.

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News Item9/18/06 1:07 PM
Neil | Tucson  
"Family values." It's time to discard this vague, worn-out Evangelical/Repub cliche. If it means, "living & legislating in accordance with God's Law," then people should admit it & stop trying to pretend that such ethics have any other basis (as for example in vaporous "natural law" or statistical pragmatism). Furthermore, they should take it seriously in their own lives.

Leftists aren't stupid; they are correct in pointing out it is at bottom a Christian agenda; let us make the most of it!

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News Item9/18/06 12:40 PM
Jay | Toledo, Ohio  
Very few 'churches' are communicating the true gospel yet they all seem successful at communicating a polictical agenda. It is sad.

If the IRS gets in the way of the gospel, drop the tax exempt status and continue doing as the Lord has called you to do.

Some people will even say we are persecution by the IRS because of the threat of losing tax exempt status. The people who call this persecution should seek forgiveness for the mockery they have made of our truly persecuted brethren in various areas of the world.

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