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FRONT PAGE  |  11/27/2015
SATURDAY, AUG 26, 2006  |  7 comments
A rivalry tied up in religion
The caution given to Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc, who crossed himself during a match against Rangers, has brought the issue of sectarianism in Scotland back into sharp focus.

The rivalry between Glasgow clubs Rangers and Celtic - known collectively as the Old Firm - is historically tied up in religion.

Celtic were formed in 1888 by Irish Catholic immigrants who began emigrating to the West of Scotland in the 1840s and their descendants.

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News Item8/31/06 10:32 AM
Arthur | Scotland  
I recently heard a more comprehensive explanation of Boruc's actions.

It was not just because he crossed himself that he was cautioned by the Procurator Fiscal. There was a few other "naughty" gestures which he aimed at the opposing crowd, at the same time. One had to do with the use of two of his fingers, which you may be acquainted with.

So it was not simply a reaction against catholic symbolism.

((ps: For you guys across the pond Procurator fiscal - is your "D.A."))

((pps: As for my allegiances in soccer - I can't stand the game.
When I was young my sport was long distance and cross country running. That of course was many centuries ago when I was young))


News Item8/28/06 11:47 AM
Tom Otte | New England  
Jim: I am a Protestant, but I do not believe that the sympathies that the IRA and other radical Republican groups have with the Palestinians is due to religious similarities with Islam - and what's more - I don't think you do either! You are too intelligent and too much of a practical historian. I believe that you were just trying to tweak our Catholic friends' noses. The IRA sees Ulster as occupied territory, just as the Palestinians see the West Bank & Gaza as occupied territory. Thus the empathy. By the way, if I may tweak your nose a bit-I do believe that you are a bit over fascinated with Israel to the point where you can't see any of their warts. Too much dispensationalism leads to a weak Christology - be careful!

News Item8/27/06 6:51 PM
Lance Eccles | Sydney, Australia  Contact via email
Jim, I know how much you loath Catholicism (though I don't know why).

And I've read enough to those poisonous tracts. Addiction to them is like addiction to pornography.

Why don't their writers concentrate on their own salvation before it's too late?


News Item8/27/06 5:35 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
Why, Lance, with Ayatollahs and Inmans, Islam has more in common with Catholicism than it does Protestantism.

With the viciousness of Islam got much of it from Catholicism,

One already knows that the Mass is an obscenity,

Now of course even Muslims as well as Protestants know that celibacy is unnatural, especially for people who are not Christians, this non-Christian group includes the Catholic hierarchy.

Also Islam and Catholicism are works salvation religions and that is as anti-Christian as you can get!


News Item8/27/06 1:47 PM
Tubby from Tubby's Comments (  
I didn't know that kind of rivalry existed in soccer. Thank goodness such a rivalry hasn't shown up in international Male versus Female, Rugby matches that I participate in.:


News Item8/26/06 9:03 PM
Lance Eccles | Sydney, Australia  Contact via email
I'm sure Islam and Catholicism have much in common, Jim. In fact, I'm sure all religions have much in common.

But Islam has more in common with Protestantism than with Catholicism.

When Muhammed was compiling his doctrines, he took Christianity and threw away the harder bits:

the Trinity
the divinity of Christ
the Redemption
the Mass
the priesthood
the seven sacraments

The Reformers also threw away some of these things (but thankfully, not all).


News Item8/26/06 6:46 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
Arthur may want to comment on this one, I would suppose there is a lot I could comment about it also, but I think I'll focus on one part of the article,

"The mutual animosity was outlined four years ago when some Celtic fans began flying Palestinian flags and some Rangers supporters responded by fluttering Israeli flags."

Now I know Ian Paisley has supported Israel, but there has been reports that members of the IRA have even been aiding the Palestinian "Liberation" Organization!

Catholicism and Islam have too much in common.

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