VATICAN CITY, August 10 -- Pope Benedict XVI will conduct a weekend seminar in early September examining Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and its impact on Roman Catholicism's teaching of Creation.
The seminar, titled "Creation and Evolution," is sure to attract the attention of supporters of "intelligent design" -- the idea that the world is too complex to have been created by natural events alone -- and Vatican scientists who do not consider it valid science.
and I always liked Hasslehoff...am I that out of touch? Could it be that the 'America's Got Talent' show is just a recruiting ground for Nazis....only time will tell. Never trust a talking trans-am nor its rider;I'm sure I read that in a chick tract once, how could I have been so blind.
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8/14/06 7:02 PM
Tomas CICERO-LOURDES
| ILLINOIS 4TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT, UNITED STATES of AMERICA
I am surprised Pope Natzinger has a problem with evolution, since both serve the DEVIL and since evolution is just another of many JESUIT plots over the centuries. The more I learn about the JESUITS the more chilling it is. Sometimes when I'm sitting in my house Jesuits just start literally coming out of the walls. I've seen them come out of the wall and shapeshift into large lizards that look like a human-size tyrannosaurus. The JESUITS are the agent of evil and we must beware, brethren. I've think I've seen Natzinger shapeshift once before too. It's time we recognize that the Jesuits ARE the Illuminati--they are the real secret evil power in charge of the world who are secretly plotting to erase HISTORIC JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY in another holocaust they are planning in order to be able to start their NEW WORLD ORDER of JESUITICAL-paganistic-Romanist-Vaticanist-Stalinist-Nazism. David Hasselhoff whom you may remember from the the television series "Knight Rider" is one of their main agents. As we speak he and other Jesuit agents are using Pepsi, the Waffle House, and Flintstone vitamins to infuse the public with satanic mind-control chemicals. If you pause to consider this irrefutable argument, you will find it to be profoundly sane, like all my arguments--definitely not insane atall
Just for clarity: the Catholic view is that God created the universe and everything in it 'ex nihilo' (from nothing). I believe that is also the Protestant view.
How is uncertainty helpful? If Gen 1-11 doesn't mean what it says, what hope do we have to make sense of the rest?
Catholics & liberal Prots would have less diversity of opinion on this matter if they reversed their denial of Sola Scriptura. THAT is the root of this dispute. Otherwise we may as well argue about the deity of Christ or the Virgin Birth - Scripture is no more clear about these doctrines than it is about Creation, the Flood, & the earth's age.
Actually, Neil, I think that's a helpful contribution. The Catholic intellectual tradition is much more diverse than is sometimes recognized. The point is not necessarily that they are non-committal but that many are very committed to certain views. The fact that they have a tendency to argue amongst themselves is precisely because they are trying to get to the bottom of the issue and I think history can show this to be the case, especially in the areas of philosophy and science (and indeed the philosophy of science). By the way, I'm not so sure Darwinists have as united a front as some of their proponents would have us think. Part of being intellectually honest in the way I intended is to recognize that one cannot simply generalize over all of Catholicism in this way. I think it is a mistake to label intellectual investigation and debate as waffling.
"More than just a theory" sounds hesitant, as if JP2 didn't want to jump in w/ both feet. This is std. Vatican operating procedure, making noncommittal statements that can be interpreted either way.
Practically speaking, you're right; Darwinism wins by default with language like this.
Neil, not only does this source points out that the Roman Church supports evolution,
http://www.icr.org/article/812/
It is a very good article by Henry Morris, the late founder of the Institute of Creation Research. I doubt Lance you were taught Creationism in parochial school, if that is what you went to.
What is the Catholic view, anyway? Most of the trouble w/ RCC debates is finding an unequivocal statement that everyone agrees is "Official Dogma." That the pope would host a seminar on the subject suggests there isn't one on evolution, & that Lance is correct in saying they are non-committal.
Too bad Darwinists aren't so double-minded. Waffling is no better than capitulation.
I think it would be helpful to represent the Catholic view a bit more faithfully in these threads. I sense quite a bit of hearsay being thrown about here. Argumentation only works if one is actually attacking the other side's argument and not what is commonly called a strawman. Intellectual honesty should be practiced by Christians above all I would hope.
It is truly glorious and reveals “the meaning of life†that the world says it’s searching for. It shows Who created everything (Christ Jesus), why everything was created (for Him) and that He, being outside of His creation, causes it to continue and hold together.
The last part also shoots down the pope as the head of the church. I love that, too, because I am totally against that blasphemer.
A "theology" that offers no hope. They don't know where man has come from and they can offer no hope as to where man is going.
And in between? - nothing but smells and bells and works.
Do the RC's have Colossians 1 verses 15 - 18 in their Bible?
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
Lance, You first said that "the RCC neither supports nor condemns evolution." Then you said that "the Pope said (that) you can accept evolution." Sounds suspiciously like a vote of confidence to me!!!! You also said that evolution is OK with the RCC "as long as you believe that everything was created by God." Please tell me that you can see the utter confusion in this line of thought!!!!
Quote ""Pope Benedict XVI will conduct a weekend seminar in early September examining Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and its impact on Roman Catholicism's teaching of Creation.""
Any of you guys out there want free tickets for this event.???
In the end it all comes down to faith. I believe that there is enough real evidence to support creation/Intellegent Design as a more plausible explanation to the origin of life than any evolutionary theory. However, even if you could convince everyone, it still won't bring everyone to a relationship with Christ;some will choose a different creator or join Tom Cruise and his cult. It does take faith to beleive that Jesus is who he said he was. It takes, in my opinion, a lot more faith to believe that something can come from nothing, and then turn in to everything that has ever lived over time, the way the evolutionists believe. So for arguments sake, we have two opposing faiths, each with evidence that must be weighed and judged by the individual. The problem comes when one side, in America's case; evolution, gains exclusive endoctrination in public classrooms, while the other side must legally remain silent. If the papacy sides with evolution its just another strike against them. I do feel there is a difference between adaptation and evolution, even I think organisms can adapt, look at dog or horse breeding, but I do not believe something can come from nothing; and I never will. Maybe this is the kind of thing the pope may adress.
chas, I predict that, if Lance replies to your post, he will say the pope wasn’t speaking excathedra and, therefore, was not speaking for the RCC. (i.e. He wasn’t up in his highchair when he said it.)
Lance, You couldn't be more wrong! Pope John Paul (this last one) declared evolution to be acceptable as long as God was not entirely left out (whatever that means??). The Bible is crystal clear on creation (GENESIS 1 & 2. HEBREWS 11:3). If you MUST support the Papacy, at least get your facts straight first!!
Of course the popes must attempt to syncretise the RC religion with every ‘ism’ in the world because they love the world and they want to draw as much of it as possible into their huge cult. Let’s call it … friendship.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
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