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THURSDAY, JUN 22, 2006  |  43 comments
'$1 million' gospel tracts dealt court-setback

A federal judge in Dallas yesterday ruled against a Christian group whose "million-dollar" gospel tracts were seized by the U.S. Secret Service as "counterfeit money," and a wheelchair-bound man in Las Vegas claims a Secret Service agent threatened him with arrest for passing out the same tracts.

Brian Fahling of the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy, which is representing the Denton, Texas-based Great News Network, had asked the judge to order immediately the return of 8,300 tracts seized by the Secret Service and to prevent the government agency's local field office from arresting anyone who distributes them.

Fahling told WorldNetDaily he's unsure at this point what the judge's negative decision will mean for the Christian evangelists who have been using the tracts, which mimic U.S. currency but have disclaimers along with a gospel message on the back.

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News Item7/1/06 6:05 PM
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As the Cisco Kid himself would say from his uncil postings.......

Roma locuta, causa finita

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News Item7/1/06 5:59 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
"incubus & succubus": GO BACK TO HELL WHERE YOU CAME FROM
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News Item7/1/06 5:55 PM
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Yep the 'Indefinite Article' is none other than that old cowboy himself "The Cisco Kid."

The sidekick of il Papa Benito the 16th

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News Item7/1/06 5:54 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
NAY "m2", BUT YOU HUMBLE YOURSELF -- FOR THIS FORUM IS NOT YOUR MONOLOGUE. AND SPEAK IN A MORE GRACEFUL TONE OF THE 1569/1602 SPANISH TRANSLATION OF THE HOLY BIBLE THAT HAS BEEN SEALED WITH THE BLOOD OF MILLIONS OF SPANISH CHRISTIAN-MARTYRS WHO PERISHED BY THE FLAMES, DUNGEONS AND MASSACRES OF THE SATANIC SPANISH INQUISITION! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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News Item7/1/06 5:44 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
AMEN "John from UK": I AM PLEASED TO KNOW THAT THE TRINITARIAN BIBLE SOCIETY OF LONDON, ENGLAND, USES THE REINA-VALERA OF 1569/1602 FOR ALL THEIR SPANISH LANGUAGE MATERIALS INCLUDING CALENDARS, BOOKLETS AND GOSPEL TRACTS.

IF IT IS ANY OTHER YEAR(S) THAN 1569/1602 -- AND/OR NOT BASED SOLELY ON THE EASTERN GREEK-ANTIOCHIAN-BYZANTINE-MAJORITY TEXT-TEXTUS RECEPTUS: THAN I FLATLY, UNEQUIVOCALLY AND TOTALLY REJECT IT AS A SATANIC-VATICANIST "QUACK" TRANSLATION ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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News Item7/1/06 5:31 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
WELL, WELL, WELL: IT LOOKS LIKE SATANIC-VATICANIST, "INDEFINITE ARTICLE(S)" AND DEMONIC-JESUITIC SPIRITS "from us from here", INCUBUS & SUCCUBUS, HAS RETURNED

I WONDER OF WE WILL NEXT RECEIVE THE DEMONIACAL LETTERING OF "from (incubus/succub)us from hell" ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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News Item7/1/06 5:16 PM
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The "Indefinite Article" has returned. I wonder if we will next receive the Uncial lettering of TLC.???
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News Item7/1/06 5:03 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
LISTEN "brethren" THAT ARE SO "Christlike"; YEA, THOSE WHO EVEN PROFESS TO BE MORE "CHRISTLIKE" THAN TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS.

#1. I WILL CONTINUE TO POST ON THESE THREADS/POSTS IN CAPITALIZATIONS AS LONG AND/OR UNTIL I AM:

A. RAPTURED TO MY LORD ACCORDING TO I THESSALONIANS 4:16-18; BEFORE THE COMING 7 YEAR TRIBULATION OF DANIEL CHAPTER 9.

B. CALLED HOME TO BE WITH MY LORD JESUS CHRIST; BY MY LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF (BY NATURAL EXPIRATION)

OR

C. CALLED HOME TO BE WITH MY LORD JESUS CHRIST BY AND/OR THROUGH PHYSICAL MARTYRDOM.

THEREFORE, "brethren"; CEASE IN YOUR ATTEMPTS TO DISSUADE ME FROM POSTING ON THIS WEBSITE-THREAD-POST IN ALL CAPS: AS I WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO UNTIL "KINGDOM-COME" ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

NOW, "nathan from texas": FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU ARE NOT ACTING IN A VERY CHRIST-LIKE MANNER IN ATTACKING ME; THAT IS, ACCUSING ME OF ATTACKING MY BROTHERS IN CHRIST.

I LIKEWISE THINK THAT WHAT YOU DO IS NOT SOMETHING MY SAVIOR WOULD HAVE ADVOCATED.

SECOND, WHO FROM "'HELL' OR HEAVEN" SET YOU UP AS A "POPE" IN MY LIFE; AS TO TELL ME HOW TO TYPE & POST MY STATEMENTS & COMMENTS ON THIS WEB-SITE-POST-THREAD ?

IT'S BAD MANNERS TO TRY TO CONTROL OTHER PEOPLES LIVES.

IT'S CALLED OVER-LORDING, POPERY, TOTALITARIANISM, TYRANNY, NICOLAITANISM !

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News Item6/25/06 9:32 AM
RV | Kenosha  
Nathan

We have been telling Tony the same things you are telling him in your letter for a very long time.

He is rude in his comments.
His captial letters are offensive.
And apears to always have a hate speech for anything he does not agree with.

He simply will not listen, which says to me and maybe others that he is a very imature christian, or maybe not one at all.

By the way your letter was loving and gentle which IS CHRIST LIKE!

Good day brother!

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News Item6/25/06 2:53 AM
M2  
Praise the Lord, brother John.

The Authorized version is miraculous, plain and simple. The English nation was zealous for God's words, and God was faithful to them. Spain (Reina Valera), Germany (Lutherbibel), and France (Louis Segond) have been drowned in Romanism and secularism over the years. But the fruit of the preserved scriptures in English have produced the beautiful fruit of Biblical (anti-Liberal) faith in America (and rural Canada) and England. I agree with Tony that we need to be very discerning as to which sword we wield as we stand up for the Lord.

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News Item6/24/06 7:05 PM
John | UK  
M2

It is sad, that. I looked up your text, and it should be "prophets", eh? Because there was two prophets quoted? Not just Isaiah?

All the more reason to praise God for the amazing English translation which we have, brother. Authorised, hallelujah.

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News Item6/24/06 6:39 PM
M2  
My apologies Tony,

Yes, you defend the RVR 1569/1602 (Antigua). But my point still applies because even in that version, Mark 1:2 reads "Isaias el profeta," which is from the Vatican texts.

So my point is that this Ray Comfort KJV is more faithful to the received text of the martyrs than the RVR 1569/1602, which you defend.

Please humble yourself, Tony. This forum is not your monologue. And please, speak in a more graceful tone.

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News Item6/24/06 6:12 PM
John | UK  
Nathan

You said: "But I don't believe that petty differences over translations are that important."

Thank you for your comment, but I can assure you that the petty differences of today are the absence in the future of the following words from the Bible:
hell
blood
baptist
propitiation
grace
atonement
God manifest in the flesh
redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD

and many, many, many other words.

The wedge has a thin end!

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News Item6/24/06 6:08 PM
John | UK  
Tony

You said: IF IT IS NOT THE AUTHORIZED SPANISH "REINA-VALERA" VERSION OF 1569/1602 (THE "BEAR" BIBLE): THEN IT IS NOT THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE FOR THE SPANISH SPEAKING/READING/WRITING/COMMUNICATING LITERATE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD!

I am pleased to be able to tell you that the Trintarian Bible Society of London, England, uses the Reina-Valera for all their Spanish language materials including calendars, booklets and gospel tracts.

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News Item6/24/06 5:41 PM
Nathan | Texas  
Ok three things. First of all, Tony, I think you are not acting in a very Christ-like manner. Attacking your brothers in Christ is not something my Saviour would have advocated. Yes, when someone is out of line, we are to point them back to THE SCRIPTURES, not our thoughts. Also, typing in all capital letters when posting online is very bad manners. It is difficult to read and gives the idea that you are mad at someone.
Second, Obviously, we must be quoting the Bible on tracts. But I don't believe that petty differences over translations are that important. THese tracts are getting the Gospel message on the streets, where it needs to be heard.
Third, I think this discussion is getting off track. I think the more important question is, how can the federal government even dare to confiscate religious material on such ridiculous grounds? If any of you have never seen a Million dollar bill tract (I have and have passed them out), there is no possible way it can be mistaken for actual currency. This is a blatant violation of First-amendment rights.
Thianks for letting me give my input. I think you people are pretty awesome.
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News Item6/24/06 4:44 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
I ALSO SOUNDLY REJECT, REPUDIATE AND RENOUNCE THE SO-CALLED "ROMAN 'CATHOLIC' REFORMED" SPANISH "TRANSLATION" OF THE "'HOLY' BIBLE"; AS FOUND IN THE "COMPLUTESIAN 'POLYGLOT' BIBLE OF 1517" -- WHICH WAS COMPILED BY A PREDECESSOR/ANCESTOR OF MY "CISNEROS" FAMILY: FRANCISCO JIMENEZ-(XIMENES)-CISNEROS.

IT WAS HE WHO WAS:

1. THE PERSONAL PRIEST-CONFESSOR OF QUEEN ISABELLA OF SPAIN, IN 1492.

2. RESPONSIBLE FOR "RELIGIOUSLY" UNITING THE SPANISH KINGDOM OF KING FERDINAND/QUEEN ISABELLA; WHEREWITHAL DRIVING OUT THE "MOORISH"/MOHAMMEDAN INSURGENCY WHICH THREATENED THE SPANISH KINGDOM & CROWN.

3. APPOINTED SECOND INQUISITOR GENERAL OF THE "SPANISH INQUISITION"; BRINGING IN VARIOUS "RELIGIOUS" REFORMS IN SPANISH ROMAN "CATHOLICISM" (LIKE ELIMINATING "CONCUBINAGE", ETC.)

4. IN THE EARLY 1500s, PERSONALLY INVITED FELLOW ROMAN "CATHOLIC" LINGUIST, PHILOSOPHER AND HEBREW-GREEK-LATIN SCHOLAR, DESIDERIUS ERASMUS OF ROTTERDAM, TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THE TRANSLATION OF HIS (CISNEROS') "'POLYGLOT' BIBLE".

ERASMUS REJECTED THE INVITATION: KNOWING FULL WELL THAT IT WAS A VATICANIST RUSE TO DIVERT HIM AWAY FROM COMPILING HIS "TEXTUS RECEPTUS" (WHICH WAS BASED SOLELY ON THE "BYZANTINE" EASTERN-GREEK FAMILY OF MANUSCRIPTS); AND HAVE HIM ASSASSINATED IN SPAIN BY HIS VATICANIST ENEMIES!!!!!

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News Item6/24/06 4:07 PM
TONY LOPEZ-CISNEROS | CHICAGO, IL, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
"m2": I HAVE NEVER "advocated" THE "integrity" OF THE SO-CALLED "spanish 'rv' of 1909."

AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS MISREPRESENTING ME ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

I TOTALLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY

REPUDIATE,

RENOUNCE

AND REJECT

THE SO-CALLED "spanish 'rv' 1909"; AS WELL AS THE SO-CALLED "re-revision of the 'rv' of 1909 -- OR -- "spanish 'nrv' of 1960 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

AS THE "1909" & "1960" SO-CALLED "spanish 'rv/nrv'" "REVISIONS" HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED BY THE SO-CALLED "'BIBLE' SCHOLARS" WHO MAGNIFY THE

VATICANUS/ALEXANDRIAN/WESTERN-GREEK-HERETICAL-ARIAN-MANUSCRIPTS

ABOVE THE

GOD-BLESSED, GOD-PRESERVED AND MARTYR-BLOOD-STAINED

BYZANTINE/ANTIOCHIAN/EASTERN-ORTHODOX-MANUSCRIPTS (TEXTUS RECEPTUS) OF THE

PROTESTANT REFORMERS;

LOLLARDS,

HUEGENOTS,

ANA-BAPTISTS,

WALDENSES,

WYCLIFFE,

TYNDALE,

TRANSLATORS OF THE AUTHORIZED "KING JAMES" VERSION,

ETC., ETC., ETC. . .

IF IT IS NOT THE AUTHORIZED SPANISH "REINA-VALERA" VERSION OF 1569/1602 (THE "BEAR" BIBLE): THEN IT IS NOT THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE FOR THE SPANISH SPEAKING/READING/WRITING/COMMUNICATING LITERATE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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News Item6/23/06 7:19 PM
msc  
Sounds like Mr. Comfort is following in the footsteps of Mormon founder Joseph Smith with his meddling with the Scriptures...a big no no. "Ye shall not add to it nor deminish ought from it..."
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News Item6/23/06 7:16 PM
M2  
Tony,

In an earlier post you seemed to have advocated the integrity of the Spanish RV 1909. Did you know the RVR 1909 differs from the KJV 1611 more than the Ray Comfort KJV differs from the KJV 1611? For example, the Comfort-KJV reads "prophets" in Mark 1:2, whereas the RVR 1909 reads "Isaias el profeta".

In any case, I don't use the Comfort-KJV. I see it as a translation of the KJV into modern English. Fortunately, I don't need it.

M2

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News Item6/23/06 6:26 PM
Mike | New York  
"gospel tracts were seized by the U.S. Secret Service as "counterfeit money," and a wheelchair-bound man in Las Vegas claims a Secret Service agent threatened him with arrest for passing out the same tracts"

These are not counterfeit money regardless of Secret Service or court decrees. They do not pretend to be legal tender. There is no such thing as a million dollar bill. Grover Cleveland is on the thousand dollar bill, not the non-existent million. Only an ignorant person or someone with an agenda could possibly come to any other conclusion.

The tracts say things Satan's useful idiots don't want said. Simple, really.

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