john yurich, God makes no distinction in idols, whether golden calves, brasen serpent (which was legitimately created then misused as an object of worship), or little statues of mary, representations of the Saviour, or His cross or any other relic or object. Neither does God care for our preference in church worship. it doesn't matter what you or i like. its what God requires. nadab and abihu were destroyed for offering strange fire which the Lord had not commanded them to. they thought they were doing a good thing, they thought the Lord would accept it, but God doesn't have to accept what we give Him. He is entitled to regulate how we worship. we are all made differently. not every one finds chatting easy. i think usa churches and those who style themselves upon them over here try and force fellowship with phoney handshakes etc. however true fellowship is necessary. this is why God told us not to forsake assembling together. likewise He appointed elders to have spiritual oversight and for us to obey them. you choose to set your wisdom and logic above Christ's appointment, by choosing to stay under false religion. very dangerous. as for the saturday vigil, you really have no concept of why the sabbath is kept as the Lord's day or what it means to call the sabbath a delight.
JY, Think about it, If any man says with his mouth all the right things, and yet does not act upon those things he knows will he not be in sin against Christ?
Jesus called such men of his day hypocrits. He made it very clear many will say 'Lord, Lord' but will not enter heaven because they obeyed Him not but practised iniquity - lawlessness.
John, Jesus Christ, came into the world to save sinners. He is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him - NOT those who vainly in willfull disobedience to His Word go around claiming they have said a 'sinners prayer' and imagine they have no obligation to actually be loyal to Him who died for them.
By the way, John, if you would like to look a real sinners prayer look at Psalm 51 in it David cries out to God for real change and cleansing from the sin he is confessing and forsaking.
That is quite different from the idea, 'Please don't send me to hell for the sin I love so much and refuse to part with' don't you think?
John, it has been said God will not save a man from hell until He first saves that man from his sin.
In hezekiah's case it was totally different because the worship was of the brasen serpent. But the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches do not worship a brasen serpent. They worship Christ. And I do not mix true worship with false worship because I do not participate in the illogical and unscriptural parts of the Mass. I only participate in the logical and scriptural parts to the Mass and thus I am worshipping Christ in a scriptural manner because the scriptural parts of the Mass are scriptural and thus the scriptural parts of the Mass are acceptable to Christ.
What am I supposed to do if I do not like the non liturgical worship services of Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches and that in Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches everybody is expected to engage in interpersonal communication and fellowship with other individuals and that there is no Saturday Vigil Services in Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches in order to do other things on Sunday like laying around until going out to lunch and shopping and that in Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestant Churches nobody can sit in the back of the church and worship Christ alone and away from everybody else.
when i referred to false worship i was referring to the rcc and their idols. my comments relating to your brothers non denom. churcg take issue with the fact that they teach people that it is ok to mix true worship with false. under their teaching hezekiah need not have destroyed the brasen serpent, he could have "dispensed" with it by ignoring it, as you claim to do with the irrational and illogical (and blasphemous rcc doctrine). mixing true worship with false is not biblical.
CONT. in the first seven articles in the declaration of belief. Any cooperation must be of such nature that the autonomy of the church is maintained at all times.
There it is the enitirety of the Statement of Faith of that Non Denominational Church and as you can see that church does not worship a false God, they worship the God of the Bible and they worship the Lord Jesus Christ.
CONT. and the eternal peace and joy of the reighteous, and the endless suffering of the wicked.
(8)THE CHURCH:We believe in the universal church; a living spiritual body of which Christ is the head and all regenerated persons are members. We believe in the local church; consisting of a company of believers in Jesus Christ, baptized on a credible profession of faith, and associated for worship, work, and fellowship. We believe that God has laid upon the members of the local church the primary task of giving the gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost world.
(9)THE ORDINANCES:We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has committed two ordinances to the local church:Baptism and the Lord's Supper. We believe that Christian Baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the nace of the triune God. We believe that the Lord's Supper was instituted by Christ for commemoration of His death. We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
We believe this church can best promote the cause of Jesus Christ in cooperation with other churches or groups of like faith. Such cooperation is on a voluntary basis, and only with such churches of groups as hold the basic beliefs of the Christian faith as expressed CONT.
CONT. in the affairs of men, that He hears and answers prayers and that He saves from sin and death all who come to Him through Jesus Christ.
(4)JESUS CHRIST:We believe in Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son, conceived by the Holy Spirit. We believe in His virgin birth, sinless life, miracles and teachings. We believe in His substitutionary, atoning death, bodily resurrection, ascension into Heaven, perpetual intercession for His people, and personal, visible return to earth.
(5)THE HOLY SPIRIT:We believe in the Holy Spirit who came forth from the Father and Son to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement and to regenerate, sanctify, and empower all who believe in Jesus Christ. We believe that the Holy Spirit indwells every believer in Christ, and that He is an abiding helper, teacher and guide.
(6)REGENERATION:We believe that all men are sinners by nature and by choice and are, therefore, under condemnation. We believe that those who receive Jesus Christ as Lord and believe Him to be their Savior are regenerated by the Holy Spirit.
(7)THE LAST THINGS:We believe in the personal and visible return of the Lord Jesus Christ to the earth and ther establishment of His kingdom. We believe in the resurrection of the body, the final judgement, CONT.
My brothers Non Denominational Church does not worship a false God. Here is the Statement of Faith of that Non Denominational Church:
The object of this church shall be to carry out as fully as possible the purpose of our Lord Jesus Christ, who made the church to be His earthly body, to witness for Him in our community; and to the fullest possible extent throughout the whole world; to observe His ordinances, and to seek to build up His people in all spiritual grace. While accepting the Bible, God's Word, to b our only authority in faith and practice, we make the following declaration of belief:
(1)THE WORD OF GOD:We believe the Bible to be the only Word of God, fully inspired and without error in the original manuscripts, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and having supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.
(2)THE TRINITY:We believe that there is one living and true God, eternally existing in three persons; that these are equal in every divine perfection, and that they execute distinct but harmonious offices in the work of creation, providence and redemption.
(3)GOD THE FATHER:We believe in God the Father, an infinite personal Spirit, perfect in holiness, wisdom, power and love. We believe that He concerns Himself mercifully CONT.
john yurich, your belief would have made it quite unnecessary for hezekiah to do what he did in 2 kings 18 v 4. its well that the non denominational church to which your brother belongs was not around then. doubtless they would have said to hezekiah "its ok to ignore the irrational and illogical parts of the worship of the brasen serpent. there is no need to break down the idols. God is not a jealous God. He doesn't mind, really." but the God that they describe is not the God of scripture, who is jealous, who hates idolatry and false worship.
JY And you still can't give an answer as to why you still worship in a church that teaches the doctrines of devils,and preaches another Jesus(the mass). Please just don't keep talking drivel for the retention of what you think is christ, or mary,or a so called cross. You think those Idols are mary,christ,and the cross,CAUSE YOU CALL THEN THOSE NAMES You do what the papish church you worship in does,you have those Idols to worship and I take it they are on show prominently in your home,so all who come in will think your a real spirit filled christian ,little do they know who's spirit it is you have,it's the spirit of your father the devil,thats why you make excuses for keeping Idols,just like you make an excuse for worshipping the pancake jesus of the mass. If you were CHRISTS,you would do HIS bidding.2 COR 6-14=18
BUT HEY JY THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN" and the SPIRIT OF GOD will lead you into all TRUTH
CONT. in the manufacturing of that statue of the Virgin Mary, pictures of Saints, the two Crucifixes, the two pictures of Christ, the Roman Catholic Rosary and the Eastern Orthodox Rosary and thus I am not engaging in idolatrous activity. If I do not pray to or bow down to the statue of the Virgin Mary, pictures of Saints, the two Crucifixes, the two pictures of Christ, the Roman Catholic Rosary and the Eastern Orthodox Rosary then how can I be engaging in idolatrous activity? You really are insane if you think that I am engaging in idolatrous activity just by being in posession of those items listed above.
You really are one sick individual who is in dire need of psychological evaluation. Who cares if that statue of the Virgin Mary is an accurate representation of the Virgin Mary or not? I sure do not care because I do not pray to or bow down to that statue of the Virgin Mary. In fact I do not even look at that statue of the Virgin Mary. If I do not pray to or bow down to the statue of the Virgin Mary, the pictures of Saints, the two Crucifixes, the two pictures of Christ, the Roman Catholic Rosary and the Eastern Orthodox Rosary then I am not engaing in idolatry you stupid moron. I stated that one of the Crucifixes is a family heirloom because it belonged to my Grandparents(Mother's parents) and I hardly have anything that belonged to my Grandparents. I also stated that one of the pictures of Christ and the Eastern Orthodox Rosary are family heirloooms because they belonged to my Great Aunt(Mother's Aunt) and I hardly have anything that belonged to my Great Aunt. I also have an Eastern Orthodox Prayer Book that belonged to my Great Aunt(Mother's Aunt) that I have no plans to get rid of because it is one of the very few things that I have that belonged to my Great Aunt.
The Second Commandment states not to make unto thee any grave image and I was not involved CONT.
"chris m from austrailia": THE ONLY "MAFIA" CONTACTS THAT I KNOW OF ARE "chris m from austrailia" & his SATANIC-VATICANIST/JESUITIC ROMAN "CATHOLIC" CULTIC CONTACTS (i.e. "john yurich", "lance eccles", etc.); THAT FRAUDENTLY AND CONSTANTLY POST ON THIS WEBSITE AND MANY WEBTHREADS AS SO-CALLED "PROTESTANTS" AND "'SAVED' ROMAN "CATHOLIC CULTISTS" ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
"John from UK": I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR ZEAL AND GENUINE DESIRE TO SEE LOST SINNERS SAVED; AS WE WHO ARE OF GOD'S ELECT WERE ONCE "DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SINS".
I HOLD AS MUCH HOPE FOR MADONNA BEING SAVED AND GENUINELY SPIRITUALLY BORN-AGAIN AS I DO "john yurich", "lance eccles", "osama bin laden", etc." AND THE REST OF THE SATANIC-VATICANISTS AND ROMAN "CATHOLIC" CULTIC JESUITICS OF ABANDONING, LEAVING AND/OR SPIRITUALLY FORSAKING "THE SATANIC ROMAN 'CATHOLIC' CULT OF POPISH 'JESUITIC' VATICANISM ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
If God can save Saul of Tarsus, the chief of sinners as he called himself, who went about murdering the true believers in religious zeal, then I am sure that God is able to save Madonna from her sins and make her a holy woman of God. The gospel of Christ holds out hope to all who repent of sin, turn to Christ in faith, and truly call upon the name of the Lord.
"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were DEAD IN SINS, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved); And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:1-7.
This is the new birth - without water!
But let us never forget what we once were, lest we become self-righteous and obnoxious to our God and Saviour.
gay guy Here is another contradiction of rome. In the douey version of the bible it says in the 2nd commandment"THOU SHALT NOT ADORE THEM"!and yet the papish church says"Come,let us adore" Maybe that last verse I quoted to JY might make you think,but I don't believe it will,I believe you would rather believe the traditons of your church than the WORD(JESUS)OF GOD