"A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man." Hebrews 8:2
"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." Hebrews 8:6, 7
"...by his own blood he entered in ONCE into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hebrews 9:12
"So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Hebrews 9:28
"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE...this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God...for by ONE offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:9, 10, 12, 14
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." Revelation 2:29
"Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom." Proverbs 13:10
"If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, ... what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, ...? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Hebrews 7:11, 12
"And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." Hebrews 7:15, 16
"For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God." Hebrews 7:18, 19
"By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament." Hebrews 7:22
"Who needeth not daily...to offer up sacrifice,...for this he did ONCE, when he offered up himself." Hebrews 7:27
Hmmm, what I was saying it's quite proper for any Christian to use, English speaking or otherwise, as long as they know what is meant. Viewers of Zola's program did know, and it gave some added history to the origins of the Jesus name.
As Webster's dictionary (1913 or so) puts it,
Jesus /Je¬īsus/ (je¬īzus), n. [L. Jesus, Gr. ?, from Heb. Yeshua'; Yah Jehovah + hoshia' to help.] The Savior; the name of the Son of God as announced by the angel to his parents; the personal name of Our Lord, in distinction from Christ, his official appellation. Luke i. 31. Thou shalt call his name Jesus; for he shall save his people from their sins. Matt. i. 21. ?The form Jesu is often used, esp. in the vocative. Jesu, do thou my soul receive. Keble.
4/26/06 8:19 PM
OC, Free Will Ind. Baptist, KJO, post-trib rapture
GG, As regards the RCC & the Muslims and other false religions, teachers and practises.
2 John 6-11 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 WHOSOEVER TRANSGRESSETH, AND ABIDETH NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 FOR HE THAT BIDDETH HIM GOD SPEED IS PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS.
You should doubt Muslim claims to worship the God of Abraham because they don't.
As to Mary, anyone should denounce any apparition the pretends to be Mary such as the apparitions Rome has offically endorsed.
As to your offending my God...as opposed to your god...I don't know? If your not here next week, I will assume that my God has settles affairs to his liking.
It may be that 'You don't read so good', I want to remind you that: 1. There is only one Mary of Nazareth. 2. She is Christ's mother and therefore the Mother of God. 3. If Mary was Catholic it was after her son founded his Church (see Matt 16:17-20). 4. If you are denoucing Mary completely, then we Catholics will be glad to accept her as one of our own. 5. If the Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ then it follows that we should love our Mother-in-law.
As for the Catholic relation to Moslims: 1- Catholicism has this silly notion of applying the words of her Savior in related to groups that are hostile to her. 2- This is in stark contrast to Faux-christians like yourself, who seem to believe that only condemnation will win converts. Let me know how that turns out. 3- "Maybe you don't read so good".
‚ÄúThe plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator...the Muslims...profess to hold the faith of Abraham...and together with us they adore the one...God"
They claim Abraham and Abraham's God as theirs. I have my doubts about about their claims, but maybe you can prove them wrong?
GG, from the RCC Sounds like I might have offended your god. Or should I say gods.
And Yes by the way I meant to say Roman Catholic Mary, you know the "Perpetual Virgin" the "Our Lady of This Place and That Place." who is quite different from Mary the wife of Joseph the mother of Jesus' brothers and sisters (half brothes and sisters).
As to the Muslims, those the Catechism claims worship the same god as Catholics, they deny that God has a Son, they deny that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God. So how do you all worship the same god, unless Catholics also in their own way deny the Son of God too.
For those who are not aware, From Catechism of the Catholic Church Officially Approved by Pope John Paul II
841 The Church‚Äô relationship with the Muslims. ‚ÄúThe plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind‚Äôs judge on the last day.‚ÄĚ
This teaching is in enormous violation of Scripture and Catholic people need to renounce it and come out of a religion that would promote such a lie and learn in the Bible the very truth from God Himself.
Michael please maintain an adult conversation here...Ok! Your Bible sites Ismael, the Father of the Arabs as being favored by the God of Abraham. Ask any Arab, they will agree. They will also tell you that the angel Gabriel, Jesus, Mary, Joseph are also important figures in the Bible, which they CLAIM that they read and accept. But, If you want to insult Jesus by refering to him as god. If you want to offend him by belittling his mother....then by all means...."KNOCK YOURSELF OUT!"
By the way Mary was Jewish...not Catholic and Jesus was Jewish and not Fundi.
Walt...the problem that any denominationalist shares in this discussion, is the involuntary habit of dragging ones belief system into the interpretation of scripture and mudding the water. But, the denomination that is seen with its finger on the 'scale' when searching God's word is automatically the loser. Protestantism's acceptance of the 1st century 'Palestinian Canon of Jamnia', which was basically a reaction by Jews against Christ and Christians, and Luther's vain attempt to drop any Book which seemed Catholic to him and to change words (adding the word 'alone'), is proof of trying to stack the deck. We do not use human tradition to understand scripture and Apostolic Tradition has Christ as its source. Please remember too, that Holy Tradition and Scripture can not disagree, in which case HT would no longer be HT. This makes Holy Scripture our primary source. When you appeal to biblical tradition revealed by God, which of the thousands of biblical tradtions do you mean?
Oh! You mean your god, the one who needs the Catholic Mary our Lady of wherever, and purgatory, and a priest, bishop or pope to interpret the Bible for him to his people because he is not intelligent enough to say what he means.
The same god the Muslims worship too as stated in your beloved Roman Catholic Catechism.
Michael: As I see it the RCC has a better claim at being the true Church that offers the Fire that God commanded rather than the fire that the Reformers commanded some 1500 years later. Also...I'm not aware of any crispy Catholic priest sheskabobs are you?
"Revelation speaks of a harlot who is destroyed by God want to study out just who the hartlot is that sits on 7 hills...". This interpretation hi-lites the usual Fundi crap-ola. Only the City of Rome sits on seven hills...the Vatican sits across the river from Rome. Shall I draw you a picture?
You asked, "Do you believe God?". Yes....thats why I don't believe you!
"So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading...And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them" (Neh.8:8,13).
As you can see from the above passage, the instruction comes from the Word of God (e.g., the Scripture).
"And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him" (Acts.8:30-31).
Again, here we see Philip is asked to teach from the book of Isaiah. Using the Scripture, not human tradition.
"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so" (Acts.17:11).
Another example where the truth is found by searching the Scriptures daily...not seeking the oral tradition.
The true meaning of God's Word is defined only by using the Scripture (e.g., his word) to define the Scripture (e.g., his word). This is the interpretive method called taking the 'literal sense' of the Scripture, or the intended meaning.
God's presupposition to the text is the only true meaning to the text, thus, the interpreter must be able to use the Scripture to interpret the Scripture.
Your and Lance's argument that using human tradition, or papal infallibility, or oral tradition handed down by the Apostles is a serious error.
The only tradition that is valid is that of biblical tradition revealed by God Himself in the Scriptures. Anything outside of that tradition, that is oral, whether handed from Peter to a Pope, is subject to human error, and Scripture proves this to be true.
I will miss Zola Levitt but only upon this earth for a season.
Leviticus 10:1,2 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. 2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
This has nothing to do with child sacrifice as does the Catholic Mass for that matter.
As to stopping the Roman Catholic Mass do you believe God? Revelation speaks of a harlot who is destroyed by God want to study out just who the hartlot is that sits on 7 hills etc. And for that matter God will also one day stop the false worship of Islam, which the Catechism claims to worship the same God as Catholics.
And by the way of this harlot God says come out of her My people.
"...You bring an exclusive RCC presupposition to the Scriptures, and allow her traditions to trump the true meaning of Scripture.""
Walt...listen to yourself..."true meaning?". Isn't that the key to the whole question? Who has the true meaning? Where did they get it? How do you recognize it when you see it? Or does your pastor innoculate you with it in vacation bible school?