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FRONT PAGE  |  5/29/2015
SUNDAY, MAR 26, 2006  |  86 comments
U.S. Planning Base on Moon To Prepare for Trip to Mars
HOUSTON -- For the first time since 1972, the United States is planning to fly to the moon, but instead of a quick, Apollo-like visit, astronauts intend to build a permanent base and live there while they prepare what may be the most ambitious undertaking in history -- putting human beings on Mars.

President Bush in 2004 announced to great fanfare plans to build a new spaceship, get back to the moon by 2020 and travel on to Mars after that. But, with NASA focused on designing a new spaceship and spending about 40 percent of its budget on the troubled space shuttle and international space station programs, that timetable may suffer.

Still, NASA's moon planners are closely following the spaceship initiative and, within six months, will outline what they need from the new vehicle to enable astronauts to explore the lunar surface. ...


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News Item3/29/06 6:21 PM
Neil | Tucson  
I think the vodka theory is credible, although way too common a problem there to make good tabloid news. A coworker of Russian ancestry told me it was (is?) common for Aeroflot pilots to be clearly drunk while in the cockpit. Real pilots can fly inebriated, right?

If aliens want drunken captives, Russia is the place for them to visit.

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News Item3/29/06 6:09 PM
33k  
"The history of the space program is evidently a lot more controversial to some people than I thought."

And not just an American problem either....

"Sunday April 8, 2001
The Observer
As bittersweet celebrations are prepared in Russia for Wednesday's fortieth anniversary of the triumphant launch of Yuri Gagarin into space, the mysterious circumstances in which the Soviet icon died have been subjected to new public scrutiny.
The unresolved question of how Gagarin died in a plane crash in 1968 has prompted as much intrigue in Russia as the assassination of John F. Kennedy in America.
The official secrecy around the inquiry into the accident gave rise to extraordinary rumours: some people believed his death had been faked; others argued that he had been murdered in a KGB plot or abducted by extra-terrestrials, or had killed himself by piloting the plane when drunk on vodka.
President Leonid Brezhnev would not permit investigators to publish an article detailing their conclusions, on the grounds that it would 'unsettle' the nation; only a brief summary was released in the year Gagarin died, and the 30-volume report was consigned to the state archives."

I think it's obvious that he was abducted by aliens myself.
Why else did they never come up with a body?

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News Item3/29/06 6:05 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Jeff, while historians do differ since they all have biases, such biases can often be best identified by analyzing the form & content (adjectives are a good tip-off), rather than the credentials/bio. of the author. And they'll inevitably differ just because of their writing style or sources consulted.

The history of the space program is evidently a lot more controversial to some people than I thought. If you're that suspicious, then nothing I can say will assure you.

33K, I'm not Brit, but I enjoy their literary style, which is why I liked the movie "The Mouse on the Moon."

Perhaps it comes from reading the KJV

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News Item3/29/06 5:59 PM
Jeff | Ft. Worth, TX  Contact via email
"For example, the chemtrails. Our government is paying countless millions of dollars to hire cargo planes to go up and spew barium salts out, filling the skies with pollution, blocking the sun."

This is the most remarkable of all stories. With this story, all one has to do is walk outside and look up but amazingly people are hopped up on drugs, alcohol, television or any number of other personal sins (I know I've been there). They have been bewitched and are blind to what is right before their very eyes.

We are being destroyed and most are "Ho hum, our government wouldn't do that, ho hum our spiritual leaders wouldn't betray us, ho hum our media isn't controlled, ho hum the devil couldn't deceive ME."

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News Item3/29/06 5:42 PM
33k  
Back to the moonbase topic, this is a quote from Yuri Gagarin speech at Metro Vickers on 12th July 1961:-

"I visualise the great day when a Soviet spaceship landing on the moon will disembark a party of scientists who will join the British and American scientists working in observatories in the spirit of peaceful cooperation and competition, rather than thinking on military lines."

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News Item3/29/06 5:33 PM
Jeff | Ft. Worth, TX  Contact via email
"Why is the author's background relevant?"

Whenever someone speaks or writes something down, they do this with a bias. It is their intent to convince the listener or reader of their worldview. When I read something I like to know from what bias the author is writing from. When I go to a site that has Alexandrian symbology on it, then I would suspect that the materials from it are Alexandrian in nature and they are likely intending to deceive the reader to some degree. I don't mean to offend you I just thought maybe you could make an argument for why we should believe this gentleman's perspective of history.

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News Item3/29/06 5:33 PM
33k  
Neil,

"If one believes that a writer must be a Christian to be a credible source about extra-Biblical history, then one must have a very small library."

I do appreciate your subtle taste for irony.
Are you sure you're not British?

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News Item3/29/06 5:30 PM
33k  
Cheryl,

"They could say anything they wanted to say, and did. Who would care? Who would believe them?"

Actually, lots of people believed the Soviets when they could see that what they claimed was demonstrably true.

For example, Yuri Gagarin paid a "goodwill visit" to the factory where my parents worked in the 1960's.
My Mam and Dad definitely believe to this day that they saw the first cosmonaut/astronaut in space with their own eyes.
Speaking as someone whose earliest memories include the later Apollo moonshots I think that's quite neat.

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News Item3/29/06 5:23 PM
33k  
Cheryl,

You wrote
"Since when did the Soviets become the experts on what is true or not true about anything that goes on in this country or any other country?"

I think that's the whole point of intelligence and spying - to become expert on what is going on in another country.

Perhaps some of the 178 people listed on wikipedia could help you with the answer to your question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Soviet_spies

That list covers more than just the USA, so does indeed provide information on other countries too as requested.

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News Item3/29/06 4:58 PM
Original Cheryl, Arminian, KJO, post-trib rapture  
33k-- Since when did the Soviets become the experts on what is true or not true about anything that goes on in this country or any other country?

They could say anything they wanted to say, and did. Who would care? Who would believe them?

Who believes people nowadays that say it was a fake-- when it obviously WAS a fake?

Who believes the towers were taken down in 9/11 by explosives, not by planes?

The government can do any outrageous thing it wants and the American people will refuse to believe it.

For example, the chemtrails. Our government is paying countless millions of dollars to hire cargo planes to go up and spew barium salts out, filling the skies with pollution, blocking the sun.

There's hundreds of websites on this, and you can look up and see these things, that they are not ordinary jet trails, that they don't go away but expand and stay there.

Do people believe the government is doing this even though it's right before their eyes? Nope.

Punch in chemtrails on Google and take a look.

Am I paranoid of our government and the Illuminati? You betcha.

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News Item3/29/06 4:48 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Even if I *could* provide a bio. of the author, perhaps with a glowing testimony, why should anyone believe it? Many a liar has found safety in the visible church - I've met some.
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News Item3/29/06 4:29 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Why is the author's background relevant?

If one believes that a writer must be a Christian to be a credible source about extra-Biblical history, then one must have a very small library.

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News Item3/29/06 4:17 PM
Jeff | Ft. Worth, TX  Contact via email
Yeah I went to FAS and they had 4 of these eyes. Call me picky but if the Federation of American Scientists are a bunch of Egyptian God loving heathens and they endorse this work then I am a bit cautious. Do you have any background information on Marcus Lindroos? I can't seem to find a good biography on him via Google.
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News Item3/29/06 3:52 PM
Neil | Tucson  
That GIF or whatever is related to the FAS (Fed. of American Scientists) e-print database, not the article's content.
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News Item3/29/06 3:37 PM
Jeff | Ft. Worth, TX  Contact via email
Neil,

I went to www.fas.org/spp/eprint/lindroos_moon1.htm.

I wasn't able to start reading it as I was distracted by the Eye of Horus in the top left corner. Any thoughts on why they would have that symbol on this site?

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News Item3/29/06 3:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  
Here's a history of the Soviet moon program (of course some will say it's all lies, so this is only for credulous fools like me):

www.fas.org/spp/eprint/lindroos_moon1.htm

According to this account, the Russian space program was *less* centralized than the American! No wonder they failed. Irony of history.

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News Item3/29/06 1:21 PM
33k  
So Cheryl, let me see if I understand you right.

1. You agreed with Max that
"The propaganda of that day was that the USSR was on the verge of doing a moon landing before the USA", and,
"They didn't want history to show communists doing something like that before a free society"

2. You added "Our "moon landing" was propaganda for the Cold War. The Russians were way ahead of us. When we realized we couldn't get past 200 miles above the earth, we decided to fake it."

3. But you think Soviets would not have wanted to blow the whistle on the American hoax because
(a) these deadly enemies, utterly opposed to each other, were in collusion together and
(b) everything the Russians said they did was automatically dismissed as propaganda anyway.

Have you ever heard the song "There's a hole in my bucket"?

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News Item3/29/06 7:08 AM
Original Cheryl, Arminian, KJO, post-trib rapture  
quote: "Given how powerful the Soviet Union was and how deeply they penetrated the western intelligence agencies and governments I am amazed that they did not choose to expose the moon landings as a hoax."

The Soviets have their own hoaxes. If all the leaders of all the nations start telling on each other the lies and frauds they've done to their own people -- well, none of them want that.

And who would believe them anyway? At that time they were saying all kinds of things about their Five Year Plan, and it was an automatic that anything the Soviets said was disinformation, lies, propaganda.

Now both countries are working together to hoax the whole world, and foreign soldiers will be used to round up the Americans for the concentration camps.

The next big hoax will be a fake alian invasion complete with flying saucers to help bring in the Antichrist.

From what I've read, our military has the technology to build these things that look like antigravity. They are breeding half demon/half human hybrids in their underground city in New Mexico and they are going to pass these creatures off as "alians."

This will be part of the big deception we read of in II Thes. and Revelation.

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News Item3/29/06 6:18 AM
33k  
Given how powerful the Soviet Union was and how deeply they penetrated the western intelligence agencies and governments I am amazed that they did not choose to expose the moon landings as a hoax.

It would have been magnificent propaganda for the Soviet Union in the Cold War and utterly humiliated the United States.

Moreover, given their assumed absolute supremacy in space technology, perhaps they actually thought the moonshots were genuine?

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News Item3/29/06 5:52 AM
Original Cheryl, Arminian, KJO, post-trib rapture  
Max: "Also one large reason back then to make this "happen" was because of the fear of a communist world takeover and for country moral boosting against the USSR. They didn't want history to show communists doing something like that before a free society. The propaganda of that day was that the USSR was on the verge of doing a moon landing before the USA, and they also sent up their ship before USA did already remember even though they didn't get to the moon."

That's right. Our "moon landing" was propaganda for the Cold War. The Russians were way ahead of us. When we realized we couldn't get past 200 miles above the earth, we decided to fake it.

Since then, we've not even been able to send an unmanned satellite there and bring it back. What does that tell you?

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