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Choice News THURSDAY, NOV 24, 2005  |  15 comments
Did Christian rock play role in murders?
Nov. 24, 2005 -- On the night of Oct. 6, David Ludwig, 18, and his 14-year-old girlfriend, Kara Beth Borden, went to church. There was no sermon, though -- at least not a traditional one. David and Kara were at the Lancaster Bible Church in Manheim, Penn., for a Christian rock concert. As the punishingly loud guitars of Audio Adrenaline and Pillar strained the limits of the church sound system, the kids screamed and pumped their fists and banged their heads. "Pillar and Audio A rock my face off!" David wrote on his blog the next day. Kara spent almost all the money in her pocket on a Pillar sweatshirt. She was wearing it the morning of Nov. 13 when, police say, David shot and killed her parents and fled with her at his side. ...

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News Item11/27/05 9:56 PM
Chris M | Australia  
Quite true Carig. But they generally have no problem with having female pastors too; probably not damnable but it is a heresey anyway.
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News Item11/27/05 9:35 PM
Craig | USA  
Gary,
Charismatics like this criminal do not believe in infant baptism and limited atonement.
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News Item11/27/05 6:15 PM
Gary | North Carolina  
"Hyper-individualism, antinomianism, hyper-Arminianism , false spiritual gifts, etc. are, as a package deal, damnable heresy""

Not to mention infant baptism and limited atonement

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News Item11/26/05 2:12 AM
Manuel | Netherlands  
Amen to Arthur, there is no such thing as 'Christian' rock music!
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News Item11/25/05 4:06 PM
Arthur | Scotland  
Jim

You've confused me a bit.
Fundamentalists and charismatics???
Do you refer to my post below on Psalms and hymns?

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News Item11/25/05 3:08 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
Your comments are interesting, Arthur. Don't lump Fundamentalists in with Charismatics pleezzze! I hate to say, it, and there may well be many Christians in these groups, but all too many are brain-dead, when it comes to theology. Some of them understand theology no better than Catholics do. Many are very Arminian.
Just one example:
(ASV)
1Corinthians 14
23 If therefore the whole church be assembled together and all speak with tongues, and there come in men unlearned or unbelieving, will they not say that ye are mad?

First, many Charismatics do not realize that the gift of tongues has passed, and worse many do not heed the above rebuke.

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News Item11/25/05 10:38 AM
RosaMarie  Contact via email
"It is easy to see from the response of the "Church" leaders and members which are being interviewed that these are antinomian heretics."

I agree. And I'm getting sick of other Christians trying to diminish the terrible sin that comes from and surrounds those two teenagers. It's as though they're trying to downgrade it in an effort to make it seem less sinful. Disgusting. Friends of their own reputations with no care of the Lord's.

Rock music is ungodly, I don't care what label you put on it. So is much of opera and country. Actually, there isn't much clean music being produced in the world, at least from where I'm listening. Classical music is something that still has something to offer the Christian but even in that genre, there is some strangeness. A lot of it has drifted toward New Age.

"As much as we like to think that the Evangelical Churches are better than the Mainline Churches, the fact is that they suffer from heresies which are as wicked, albeit different, from their liberal counterparts. Hyper-individualism, antinomianism, hyper-Arminianism , false spiritual gifts, etc. are, as a package deal, damnable heresy"

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News Item11/25/05 10:26 AM
Craig | USA  
Not only did the rock music play a part, but more importantly the heretical movement in which the children were raised: namely the Charismatic Movement. It is easy to see from the response of the "Church" leaders and members which are being interviewed that these are antinomian heretics. As much as we like to think that the Evangelical Churches are better than the Mainline Churches, the fact is that they suffer from heresies which are as wicked, albeit different, from their liberal counterparts. Hyper-individualism, antinomianism, hyper-Arminianism, false spiritual gifts, etc. are, as a package deal, damnable heresy. We should tremble at the state of the Church under too much freedom of religion, when the creative, idolatrous mind of man is allowed to run wild.
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News Item11/25/05 1:11 AM
Gragory | CA  
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News Item11/24/05 4:20 PM
Arthur | Scotland  
Too old for my own good?
Two score and fifteen.

I guess like most hooman beans, I enjoy music of some types, not of others. Some classical but not all. Some "easy listening" not all. The loud raucous non-melodious, ear-splitting rock of recent times and today is definately not my type.
If that makes me "square" (do they still use that term?), then I'm glad to be that shape in choice.

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News Item11/24/05 3:52 PM
mike | mex  
Hello Arthur.
Greetings from Mexico. Could I ask how old you are brother?

I think in the day and age in which we live even the Psalms could be put to rock music, thus ruining God's Word by profaning it with the world's unholy music.

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News Item11/24/05 3:08 PM
Arthur | Scotland  
Jim
Interesting point.
Better remain a Psalm singer then!!

As for lyrics, and "damage." I've often thought it would be a very interesting study, to look at the history of the denominations, over the 19th/20th century, at which ones went away from Psalms and more towards the use of hymns.
In relation to this could we determine at the same time, did they move closer to more liberal "other" forms of belief and worship.
EG:-
In Scotland:
C of S - Predominantly liberal.
F C of S - Much less liberal.
F P C - Very much Anti-liberal.

Out of the three the C of S is the hymn user.

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News Item11/24/05 2:37 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
Amen, to the sin part Arthur. However, the beat of the music, or noise, however, you wish to hear it, has nothing to do with it. Any sounds can be too loud, and damage your hearing, but the lyrics are all important. I would think there are some very damaging Catholic, Shacker, Arminian hymns out there that does not improve one's beliefs.
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News Item11/24/05 2:19 PM
Arthur | Scotland  
No!
Sin did it all by itself.

PS: There is no such thing as "Christian" rock music.

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