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WEDNESDAY, NOV 23, 2005  |  101 comments
Falwell, others to 'defend' Christmas


Jerry Falwell

Evangelical Christian pastor Jerry Falwell has a message for Americans when it comes to celebrating Christmas this year: You're either with us, or you're against us.

Falwell has put the power of his 24,000-member congregation behind the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign," an effort led by the conservative legal organization Liberty Counsel. The group promises to file suit against anyone who spreads what it sees as misinformation about how Christmas can be celebrated in schools and public spaces.

In signing on to "Friend or Foe" this month, Falwell urged the 500,000 recipients of his weekly "Falwell Confidential" e-mail to "draw a line in the sand and resist bullying tactics of the ACLU and others who intimidate school and government officials by spreading misinformation about Christmas."

Standing on the other side of that sand line are religious, liberal and secular organizations such as the ...


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News Item12/9/05 9:03 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Albert,

If I dispense with the unscriptural RCC doctrines and do not participate in the unscriptural parts to the Mass then I do not touch the unclean thing and I separate myself from the unscriptural RCC doctrines and the unscriptural parts to the Mass.

There is only one requirement to get saved and to go to Heaven when pass away and that is to receive Christ as Savior and I received Christ as Savior and thus I am saved regardless if I am remaining an RC because as anybody with half a brain knows Christ will not require of everybody when they pass away that they had belonged to a particular visible earthly church in order to gain entrance into Heaven. Christ will require of everybody that they had been joined to the invisible church by receiving Him as their Savior in order to gain entrance into Heaven.

Get this into your head. There are Born Again individuals in the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and the Mainline Protestant Churches.

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News Item12/8/05 11:25 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
JY
Why don't you give us the scripture for all you believe in.
It is obvious to us you don't want to obey CHRIST'S WORDS that you know,SO PLEASE KEEP IT SHUT .
"Wherefore come out from among them,AND BE YE SEPARATE,saith the LORD,and touch not the unclean thing;AND I WILL RECIEVE YOU".

So there you are JY,looks like CHRIST won't recieve you,cause you don't want to believe HIM AND HIS WORD.
Now go on and make HIM a liar with your nonsense.

THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

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News Item12/8/05 11:10 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
JY
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE CHURCH OF ROME,THEN OBEY GOD.
IF YOU DON'T OBEY YOUR SAVIOUR,THEN DON'T SAY YOUR SAVED,CAUSE AS THE BIBLE SAYS"YOU CAN'T WALK TOGETHER UNLESS YOU AGREE

THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN" ,and as you walk with rome then you must agree with her and her lies

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News Item12/8/05 11:06 AM
Engineer | USA  
John:
you're right.
(althought the change in dates for
say, celebration of Lee's birthday
(for southerners)
or Lincoln's birthday
is annoying.
If you DO know the date, it seems better to use the right one.
However, when a KID has a birthday on
Christmas, many families change the
kid's birthday celebration to the summer
so as to be 'fair' in allocation of
presents.
So you have a good point.
But I'd not want to have a
mass
on a birthday.
98

News Item12/8/05 10:24 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Engineer,

There is no question about it that Christ WAS NOT born on 25 December. But so what? The Date of Christ's Birth is irrelevant. The fact that 25 December was chosen to celebrate the Birth of Christ is of no signifance and should not matter one iota that Christ's Birth is celebrated on 25 December.

97

News Item12/8/05 10:09 AM
Engineer | USA  
Actually John,
it is the celebration of the
MASS
part of the word
that the puritans objected to.
Another issue entirely.
And well founded (especially in their day).
(a good PRO-Christmas sermon on this site is:
Marc Monte
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonsspeaker&sermonID=11300521041
Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
I. When Was Jesus Born?
II. What about the supposed pegan origins of Christmas?
III. The Biblical Basis for Celebrating Christmas.
He made some surprising points-
(I think he's off in his calculation for the birth, but I'd never heard anyone attempt to justify a 12/25 type date before)..
96

News Item12/8/05 9:30 AM
John Yurich | USA  
If the Puritans outlawed the celebration of the Birth of Christ then they were in essence stating that not celebrating the Birth of Christ has something to do with salvation. And that is legalism pure and simple. Just like you guys on this forum who do not celebrate the Birth of Christ are being legalistic.
95

News Item12/8/05 9:23 AM
Engineer | USA  
It is also odd that so many Christians are outraged at this "secular attack" on Jesus' birthday. No one seeks to ban Christmas celebrations, yet that has occurred on American soil. Who did so terrible a thing? From 1659 to 1681, the celebration of Christmas was outlawed in Boston by those devout Christians, the Puritans. They considered Christmas a decadent celebration...
and didn't want anything to do with something that has the MASS in the etymology of the word.
Some preachers at Sermonaudio,
Pastor Ralph Ovadal for example,
have pointed this out recently.
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News Item12/8/05 7:28 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Albert,

I am not leaving the Roman Catholic Church because staying in the Roman Catholic Church will not result in my soul going to Hell when I pass away because Christ does not care what church someone who has received Him as their Savior attends because He will not require of everybody when they pass away that they had belonged to a particular visible earthly church in order to gain entrance into Heaven. However Christ will require of everybody that they had been joined to the invisible church consisting of those individuals who had received Him as their Savior.

93

News Item12/5/05 8:40 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
JY
Why do you not answer the questions right I don't want a load of your same old same old,but I will make it easy for you to answer one question.
(1)IF AS YOU SAY YOU DON'T BELIEVE THOSE THINGS THAT THE CHURCH OF ROME BELIEVES,......WHY DO YOU DISOBEY GOD BY BEING WITH THEM ?

THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

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News Item12/5/05 8:34 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Albert,

CONT. entrance into Heaven. Christ will require of everybody when they pass away that they had been joined to the invisible church consisting of those individuals who had received Christ as their Savior.

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News Item12/5/05 8:32 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Albert,

Nicene Creed Continued. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. The only statement in the Nicene Creed that I do not believe in is "We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.".

If I personally do not in the unscriptural RCC doctrines or do not participate in the unscriptural parts to the Mass then I am remaining right with Christ.

Anybody who believes that Christ is both God and Man is not an unbeliever. An unbeliever is someone who denies that Christ is both God and Man.

Even if someone who has received Christ as their Savior does not leave the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Churches(Who believe in the Holy Trinity) does not mean that they will not go to Heaven when they pass away because membership in a visible earthly church is not a requirement to gain CONT.

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News Item12/5/05 8:14 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Albert,

The answers are:

(1)No I do not believe that the Mass is a sacrifice. I do not believe in or participate in the unscriptural parts to the Mass. I just believe in and participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass.
(2)I do not believe in prayers to the dead.
(3)I do not believe that Baptism imparts salvation.
(4)There is only one Nicene Creed that I have ever heard of. I have never heard of the Nicene Creed by Pius IV before. The Nicene Creed that I believe in(Except for one statement) states: We Believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten from the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from Heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillmlent of the Scriptures; He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. CONT.

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News Item12/5/05 7:33 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
JY
Just click on the paddle beside my name

THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

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News Item12/4/05 8:01 PM
msc  
Then John, those aren't very fundamental churches, so I'll ask again:
Where are the altar calls in the New Testament? Where are the Apostles recorded teaching altar calls are the way to "publicly" confess their faith and get saved?
87

News Item12/4/05 7:22 AM
John Yurich | USA  
msc,

All Fundamentalist and Pentecostal Churches have Altar Calls to get individuals to receive Christ as their Savior because the New Testament states that when someone receives Christ as their Savior that they have to state publicly that they had received Christ as their Savior.

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News Item12/3/05 1:28 PM
msc  
John,

"My brother believes that I am saved because of having received Christ as Savior at that Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church."

And how did you receive Christ? Where are the altar calls in the New Testament? Are you saved according to the New Testament pattern laid down by Christ and preached and practiced by his Apostles? Apostle Paul said any other foundation outside of Christ and the Apostles is bound to crumble. John, I'm sure you have much appreciation for your brother and his pastor, but don't you think it's more important to obey God as He spoke by his Apostles instead of other men? "We ought to obey God, not man," is what the Apostle Peter said.

85

News Item12/3/05 1:20 PM
msc  
John,

"Everybody at my brothers Non Denominational Church from the minister all the way down through the membership roll believes that any church that adheres to the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and the other historic Christian doctrines is a True Christian Church."

Well, to put it simply, he's wrong. He'd just as soon give wolves in sheeps' clothing the benefit of the doubt.

84

News Item12/3/05 8:54 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
JY
This verse could be used so that you pick a partner that believes like you do,but what about the rest of the questions?
Are you also saying (1)That you believe the mass,as the papish church does?.
(2)You believe in prayers to the dead?.
(3)You believe baptism saves you?.
(4)You believe in the nicene creed as per the papish church with the added twelve parts by pope pius 4th?.
If you say you don't believe in any of these things,THEN YOU COULD NOT SAY YOUR RIGHT IN BEING IN COMMUNION WITH THAT CHURCH,and you would be doing something GOD HAS TOLD YOU NOT TO DO.
When GOD is exhorting you to avoid Idolitors and unbelieveres in HIS TRUTH"Wherefore come out from among them" WHY DO YOU DISOBEY HIM?
Why are you right in the middle of that unrighteousness?.
JY,TRY TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION ASK PLEASE.
NOT JUST A BIT OF ONE ,AND FORGET THE REST.
Surely you with your logical and analytical,educated thinking brain can answer questions correctly!

THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

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News Item12/3/05 6:33 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Albert,

That verse from the Bible means not to get married to someone who does not believe that Christ is both God and Man. That is technically what an unbeliever is. And technically the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Protestant Churches(Except for the cults of Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons and Christian Science) are not unbelievers because they believe that Christ is both God and Man.

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