WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney made an unusual personal appeal to Republican senators this week to allow CIA exemptions to a proposed ban on the torture of terror suspects in U.S. custody, according to participants in a closed-door session.
Cheney told his audience the United States doesnât engage in torture, these participants added, even though he said the administration needed an exemption from any legislation banning âcruel, inhuman or degradingâ treatment in case the president decided one was necessary to prevent a terrorist attack.
The vice president made his comments at a regular weekly private meeting of Senate Republican senators, according to several lawmakers who attended. Cheney often attends the meetings, a chance for the rank-and-file to discuss legislative strategy, but he rarely speaks....
Yes, there was a news item on CBC television about CIA planes flying terrorists to undisclosed locations in Eastern Europe. There was also a report last evening about a plane alleged to be owned by the CIA, and seen flying into a location in Ontario, Canada. The Canadian government says they are looking into it.
I don't believe any prisoners should be tortured. This is barbaric, uncivilized and should not be done by any nation which believes in defending human rights and democracy. Don't know where Cheney is coming from.
John, I never said all Catholics were Democrats. I seem to have mentioned John McCain in one message, and he is a Republican. However, both Democratic and Republican Congressmen who are Catholic seem to support such ideas as vouchers. The Republican folks follow the Vatican line more closely than the Democrat Catholics, however.
This has nothing to do with the question of Christianity. I don't really care what the political party you belong to. Logically speaking, the Trinitarian is a necessary part of being Christian, but it is not sufficient. Most of these churches you mentioned, especially the Roman one, have salvation by works, this makes it heretical and anti-Christian. It is not a Christian church period.
As Gil Rugh would put it,
John, why do you disobey Christ?
(ASV) Luke 14 26 If any man cometh unto me, and hateth not his own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 2Timothy 1 7 For God gave us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline. (continued)
John, I hope that your family and friends are not stopping you from leaving an anti-Christian Roman church and joining a Christian church. I know that it can be a struggle, but there have been several former Catholic families, who have made the transition to a Christian church, IHCC.
Even the Germans generally adhered to the Geneva Convention in WW2 for western Allied prisoners; captured Soviets didn't benefit since their country wasn't a signatory & there was much Russo-German malice. In one case, American prisoners tossed some Red Cross packages over the fence to an adjacent camp with starving Russian prisoners.
The CBC television has recently been broadcasting a report on CBC TV about places in different parts of the world where this is already going on. The CBC News website has the following info and more: "Torture is now illegal â banned by international convention, national laws and rules of military engagement. At least on paper.
The Geneva Conventions were drafted over the past century or so to outline the rules nations involved in international conflict were expected to follow. The conventions were expanded to deal with conflicts within a nationâs boundaries as well.
Included in those conventions in 1949 was a ban on torture.
âTorture is forbidden by the Geneva Conventions, both in cases of internal conflicts (Convention I, Art. 3, Sec. 1A), wounded combatants (Convention I, Art. 12), civilians in occupied territories (Convention IV, Art. 32), civilians in international conflicts (Protocol I, Art. 75, Sec. 2Ai) and civilians in internal conflicts (Protocol II, Art. 4, Sec. 2A).â
Failure to obey the rules could eventually result in the laying of charges of crimes against humanity. " To read more, go to: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/human-rights/
JY? You... are obsessed. You need to get your definition of "cult" corrected. How about this view of Cult: a group that brainwashes it's followers to completely comply to it's standards without complaint, and that uses these followers to indulge itself in getting as much money as possible through so-called "spiritual rituals" and uses these poor people to fulfill the every desire of the heirarchy, until they find satisfaction, and no longer need them. That last step is coming... it's already been fulfilled on those who have passed away without the truth.
You talk about being extreme. You and the other Fundamentalists on this forum are really extreme because you guys keep stating that the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and the Non Fundamentalist Protestant Churches(Who are Trinitarian in belief) are cults. All the churches in the above paragraph adhere to the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Cults deny the Holy Trinity like the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Christian Scientists and other religious organizations that deny the Holy Trinity.
You seem to forget that it was a Democrat President who brought the United States out of the Great Depression. And the Democrat politicians care more about the poor and the middle class then do the Republican politicians. Bush and the Republican politicians do not care about the poor and the middle class or else they would not be giving tax breaks to the corporations and to the wealthy. And that is why I am a Democrat instead of a Republican.
You seem to be implying that all Roman Catholics are Democrat. There are some Roman Catholic morons who are Republican. Anybody who votes Republican should be locked away somewhere in an insane asylum.
What is your problem with the Democrat politicians?
Tony, you made some good comments. I seriously doubt that Israel treats its prisoners as bad as the French and Americans do. The Vietnam war was just a prelude to what is being done now. Torture has been shown not to work that well. Taking the low road, does not win wars. While I would not agree with all this person says, he does make some good points, for the Israelis, but perhaps even more so for Americans.
By the way, Chaney, is not a native Nebraskan, you can blame him on Wyoming, even though he is a University of Nebraska of Lincoln graduate.
John, what makes you think that many Democrats would be better than Republicans? Sen. McCain is a Republican. Extremist statements, sometimes shows a person's religious background, e.g., from a church which is infamous for being a cult.
I agree generally, though having been to war does not necessarily make a person sensitive to this; often the opposite occurs, depending on the person's moral foundation. The real problem is the declension from accountability to law, God's especially. It now permeates our society, not just the usual "upper-crust" scapegoats.
I agree generally, though having been to war does not necessarily make a person reject cruelty; often the opposite occurs, depending on the person's moral foundations. The real problem is the general declension from accountability to law, God's particularly. It is not unique to the "upper crust;" it ranges all the way from presidents to pastors to paupers.
No one in Washington is more deserving to be listened to on this subject than Sen.McCain. Mr. Cheyney is part of the most worrisome situation that a nation can have in time of war, namely a military being run by a civilian government being run by priveleged folks who never went to war because they were able to avoid service due to political connections. There are two very disturbing situations becoming more and more clear as the progression of this Iraq war continues. 1) Mr. Cheyney seems to be the man running the show, not the President. The President is beginning to look more and more as a figurehead leader who is being manipulated the way the Russian Czar was being led by the nose by his Rasputin-like advisors and cabinet. 2) The U.S.A. (and Britain if they continue to follow the U.S.A. lead blindly) is loosing the "moral high ground" that the world has always looked to for civilized behavior. This will expose our prisoners to be more likely to be mistreated, and help us lose credibility when it comes to prosecuting "war criminals" when the conflict is resolved. This is what Sen. McCain is no doubt thinking of. Israel has been behaving like this for decades, without press leakage, & it has not helped them, but made things worse.