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TUESDAY, AUG 9, 2005  |  61 comments
Prince William moves girlfriend in


Prince William

British royal PRINCE CHARLES has allowed his son PRINCE WILLIAM to live with his girlfriend KATE MIDDLETON - despite outrage from religious leaders who oppose couples living together out of wedlock.

The prince and Middleton, both 23, were initially planning to set up home in London, but Charles invited them both to stay together at his royal residence in Clarence House, London instead, reports British newspaper the Daily Express.

But William, second in line to the throne, will one day be head of the Church of England and religious figureheads are likely to condemn the move as "living in sin".

A source tells British newspaper The Daily Express, "Kate has already got some of her clothes and possessions in wardrobes inside William's apartment. ...


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News Item3/13/06 9:03 PM
m | psychodeli.net  Contact via email
Hello. Daniel Tammet is an unrivalled supergenius, capable of things we couldn't begin to fathom... and guess what, he can't empathize. Oh what will be become as he grows in strength? He's even changed his last name to Tammet... what ever could he be hiding?

Depending on which translation you read of Daniel 11:37, the Antichrist is gay:
"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all"
Daniel Tammet happens to be gay.

What else...?

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News Item8/16/05 2:22 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  
Matthew 14:2-4 and said to his servants, “This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead, and therefore these powers are at work in him.” For Herod had laid hold of John and bound him, and put him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife. Because John had said to him, “It is not lawful for you to have her.”

Anyone wishing to politely express their concerns, may find contact information to The Royal family at the following link:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page3764.asp

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News Item8/12/05 6:52 AM
Hapax | Aussie in Germany  
(CONTINUED)

I suspect that William knows the "teaching of the Church" on sex before marriage but doesn't care one bit what "the Church" teaches. And why would you -- especially if you're not regenerate? While only God knoweth the secrets of men's hearts the whole situation would indicate to me that William has not repented and trusted in Christ. So we should be praying for him that he will respond to the gospel, repent and trut in Christ.

Sadly (and I say this as an Anglican) there are a lot of very confused pastors in the church of England and other Anglican churches who really couldn't explain the gospel if they tried. I don't hold much hope that HRH has actually been challenged with the need to repent and believe the gospel. Although John Stott had s stint as chaplain to HM the Queen that was a long time ago now and the few good evangelical Reformed pastors in the C of E are unlikely to be invited into court to catechise wayward Princes. What we need is a few Sydney Anglicans to go back to England as missionaries and teach them the Reformed faith instead of the crypto-papist claptrap that has held sway in Anglicanism since the time of that heretic Newman.

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News Item8/12/05 6:50 AM
Hapax | Aussie in Germany  
There's a lot of talk about the "Catechism of the Church of England". I suspect that very few people on this forum are Anglicans (which is not surprising really given the state of Anglicanism).

From the 1662 Book of Common Prayer:
http://www.eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/baptism/catchism.html

As far as catechisms go it's pretty short. It does require the confirmee to to know the 10 commandments which includes the commandment on adultery. So if he got any decent instruction prior to his confirmation HRH would know what Jesus said about the command not to commit "adultery".

As an Evangelical Reformed Anglican though I place much more emphasis on God's word than catechisms. Catechisms are good to the extent that they teach us the truths of God's holy word.

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News Item8/11/05 3:32 PM
prince william | buck house  
John Yurich

Its not
"if you go to a REAL Church you will be saved.."
NO!!

Its
"if you have been saved - THEN you will go to the Real Church..."

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News Item8/11/05 3:30 PM
John Yurich | USA  
33k,

Adultery, fornication, homosexuality and any other perversion are totally sinful and they break the Commandment against adultery.

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News Item8/11/05 3:20 PM
33k  
John Yurich's inane use of inane insanity as derogatory is offensive to those of us w/ sweet loving inane insane relatives.

PS: What was the ISBN John?

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News Item8/11/05 3:15 PM
John Yurich | USA  
Jim from Nebraska,

Why do you keep asking that inane question Can A Catholic Be Saved?

Of course a Catholic as well as anybody else can be saved if they pray to Christ and receive Him as their Savior. Which is the only requirement for salvation. None of this inane insanity that joining an Evangelical Protestant Church is also a requirement for salvation.

It is totally ianane to think that Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians and Lutherans who receive Christ as their Savior have to leave their church and join an Evangelical Protestant Church in order to be saved. That is totally illogical to think like that.

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News Item8/11/05 2:37 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
"Dictionary Christians" are not the same as Biblical Christians. Catholics are "Dictionary Christians" as the most of the users of SermonAudio will agree.

What is a Biblical Christian? Take a look at the following booklet by Gil Rugh, which defines a true believer.

http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L206.pdf

Can a Catholic be saved? Take a look at the main article of the following newsletter.

http://www.pro-gospel.org/main/Newsletters/2003-Volume12/Vol12no2.pdf

A Catholic who wants to understand the position of a Biblical Christian should pick up a study bible by Charles Ryrie or John McArthur. While an uncommented Bible is just fine for the believer who will take it literally, years of Catholic training has to be reviewed and these study bibles can be of great help. John McArthur has a separate book out which you can use along side of any Bible to help understand the Scripture.

A short helpful file on how to study the Bible.

http://www.ihcc.org/otherpub/study.htm

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News Item8/11/05 1:28 PM
33k  
Glad I made your day.
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News Item8/11/05 1:26 PM
Engineer | USA  
33K
FOR A HOOT:
GOOGLE ON
"mispelling"
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News Item8/11/05 12:51 PM
33k  
John Yurich,

Yes, I knew you would go and clutch at that straw.

Your own perverted thinking does indeed resonate with the English Public (i.e. private boarding) school system which served as a factory for sodomites.

"The Church of England may look kindly on Sodomy but that is NOT adultery or fornication that is JUST perversion and Sodomy is also wrong. "

By what insane standard do you judge?
Rather, which of the 10 commandments does it most directly come under?

Unlike you, I do have a wife. I can assure you that if I ever committed sodomy with a man she would regard that as adultery and a breaking of the marriage covenant.

Do you really think that this catechism condemns adultery and fornication for heterosexuals but would allow those same people to commit vile perverted homosexual acts? Or is it not more likely that this latest unofficial "catechism" has no moral standards whatsoever?

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News Item8/11/05 12:38 PM
33k  
Engineer,

Thank you for the correction on the word Aspergers. Before posting I did actually do a google search on "Aspbergers" and found no shortage of material. Examining the data more carefully it does look like a very common misspelling. I also searched out of curiosity for the individual who gave his name to the description of range of symptons but couldn't find him. (Does the fact that I did that also put me in that range?)
You have probably explained why I couldn't find the doctor concerned!

Four of those five catechisms by the way look like they predate the abolition of the Westminster Assembly's catechisms. The fifth (#2)looks more like a commentary on one of the earlier works. My point stands. Regardless of any symptons Mr Yurich displays he's certainly full of something.

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News Item8/11/05 11:58 AM
Ezra  
Shacking up?! What is his queen grandmother, the head of the Anglican church saying?
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News Item8/11/05 8:28 AM
John Yurich | USA  
33k,

I am capable of course of engaging in interpersonal communication face to face with individuals in church but I do not see what engaging in interpersonal communication face to face with individuals in church has to do with salvation. Communication has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. I of course communicate face to face with individuals when I go to a fast food restaurant or other restaurant and order food and thus I am not incapable of engaging in interpersonal communication face to face with individuals.

I stand by my assertion that the Church of England does not look kindly on adultery or fornication because all historic Christian Churches whether they are Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, Episcopal, Methodist, Presbyterian or Lutheran have all stated that adultery and fornication is wrong and sinful. The Church of England may look kindly on Sodomy but that is not adultery or fornication that is just perversion and Sodomy is also wrong. The Church of England or any other church that condones Sodomy needs to repent of that grievous sin.

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News Item8/11/05 8:19 AM
Engineer | USA  
33k
so Ford asks if you'd like to be an
aspie on the order of Newton or Einstein
and you label that derogatory.
Well that answers that.
no genius there.
By the way guys:
AsPerger:
syndrome was first described by a German doctor, Hans Asperger, in 1944
----------
ASP Berger
? is that a British spelling?
sounds like a snake sandwich.

I accept your apology for the spelling
and
use of the word
aspbergers.

( The fact that I even noticed puts me in that range, probably).
Anglican Catechisms
1. Richard Sherlock's The Catechism of the Church of England Explained (1656)
2.Beveridge, a long time parish priest, wrote The Church Catechism Explained (1704)
3.Anglican Hammond's Practical Catechism (1644), which speaks of the duty of ‘a great superlative Strictness in the ways of Godliness’
4.Anglican William Nicholson's Plain and Full Exposition of the Catechism (1655)
draws a picture of the Christian life in faith, hope and love, with an accent on:‘Self-denial’, he writes, ‘is the abnegation or renouncing of all his own holds, and interest and trusts, .., that he may the more expeditely follow Christ.'
5.Andrewes' Pattern of Catechistical Doctrine (1630) develops the law of Christ from the Decalogue -root sins and their causes and consequences are analyzed.

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News Item8/11/05 3:35 AM
33k  
http://www.ifca.org/News/Homosexuality%20is%20divinely%20ordered.htm

The catechism declares that homosexuality
"is not in general chosen: it is an expression of sexuality which derives from conditions of inherited impulsions or of early infant experience".
"Homosexuality, may well not be a condition to be regretted but to have DIVINELY ORDERED and positive qualities."
"Homosexual Christian believers should be encouraged to find in their sexual preferences such elements of MORAL BEAUTY as may enhance their general understanding of Christ's calling."

[No wonder]Richard Kirker, general secretary of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, welcomed the text as a "refreshing statement which the Church is crying out for".

Canon Norman, a highly respected theologian who writes "meditations" in The Telegraph, was asked to write the catechism by Dr Hope to provide a tool in training for ministry. Dr Hope was targeted by the homosexual rights group, Outrage!. After a night of prayer in Notre Dame Cathedral, Paris, he said his sexuality was "a grey area" and that he was celibate.

An "official" catechism is being written and published by Church House but the project will take several years.
[Don't be optimistic it will be an abomination].
[BTW, ISBN No: 0826467008]

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News Item8/11/05 3:24 AM
33k  
Hey John Yurich, I may have found what you were looking for! But it contradicts you entirely. Odd that, because you just got through looking it up yesterday.

"No I did not make it up about the Catechism of the Church of England. The Catechism of the Church of England contains the teachings of the Church of England. And one of the teachings of the Church of England is that cohabitation outside of marriage is prohibited for members of the Church of England, which is a moral teaching of the Church of England. "

In 2003, "An Anglican Catechism" was published. Notice the indefinite article, they wouldn't want to dogmatically teach anything you know. It doesn't carry official weight but "The second most senior churchman in the Church of England, the Most Rev David Hope, has given the new catechism his imprimatur and describes it in his foreword as "a celebration of Christian living"."

Does it prohibit fornication?
No it even glorifies sodomy!

Either John Yurich you are wrong in your exegesis of the unofficial "Anglican Catechism" or you are wrong because there is no official Anglican Catechism. Which is it?

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News Item8/11/05 2:34 AM
33k  
That said, if there remains any offence on any part by any reader for my use of the word aspbergers I unreservedly apologise.
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News Item8/11/05 2:30 AM
33k  
Thank you Daniel. I am not familiar with the individual cases that you refer to but I am quite familiar with Aspbergers and other aspects of the autistic spectrum from direct experience.
You are certainly correct that many examples of genius are found amongst their ranks, and also that John's response reflected a very common fallacy. You would be mistaken however to believe that my question also reflected that fallacy.

Despite your own derogatory allusion to whether I would like to be an "aspie" on that basis I can confirm that I would not as the many challenges they face in relation to dealing with people and responding to pragmatic situations are a tall order that I would not wish on anyone.

I have previously expressed concern to John over his confessed inability to communicate with people on a face to face basis. This is what lay behind my question together with his continual failure to respond to pragmatic reasoning but constant repetition of the same old records. "Genius" was not part of my reasoning.

If John Yurich was to turn out to suffer from Aspbergers or be anywhere else on the autistic spectrum he would of course have my complete understanding. You see, there was actually a degree of genuine enquiry behind my question of Mr Yurich.

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