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Choice News SUNDAY, JUL 31, 2005  |  36 comments
Pastor denies membership to homosexual, gets canned

A pastor who denied church membership to a homosexual has been banished from the pulpit and denied his salary for one year by the Virginia Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church, despite the admission he acted on his conscience and his action could be defended "in theory" from the Methodist Book of Discipline.

Rev. Edward Johnson, former pastor of South Hill United Methodist Church for the past six years, will appeal his suspension to the denomination's highest court in Houston in late October.

The action leading to the pastor's "involuntary leave of absence" was initiated by Rev. W. Anthony Layman, retired district superintendent for Johnson's region in rural Southside Virginia, following Johnson's December refusal to allow a homosexual man to join his congregation. ...


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News Item8/11/05 9:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  
The UMC long ago "let the cow out of the barn"; this is a natural consequence of such unbelief. Be surprised at nothing.
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News Item8/11/05 9:02 PM
RosaMarie  Contact via email
I can't believe it has come to this. I can't believe how much has changed so quickly in the Church. That this minister has to appeal anything is horrible.
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News Item8/11/05 8:53 PM
Peter | Midwest  Contact via email
Homosexuality is a SIN and that pastor did what was right in denying membership to that sodomite. Pray for him and for the USA!!!
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News Item8/7/05 12:56 AM
Larry Dalton | South Africa  
Judge Not....
There are countless scriptural injunctions that demand value judgments - scriptural judgments such as in Gal 1:5 - 9. These are direct commands to make judgments about truth and fellowship. A previous comment on Matt 7, while seemingly sincere, is hermeneutically incorrect and somewhat superficial. I would like to add that the individual seems to have great generosity of spirit - to be commended - but rather mal-applied.

I concur that education is of great value, and to be pursued with zeal. May we graciously pursue knowledge for the Glory of God and the edification of man.

By Grace

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News Item8/7/05 12:24 AM
Larry Dalton | South Africa  
Love has often been misconstrued as hate. Speaking the truth has always been seen as an unloving attack on peoples beliefs etc. This is simply not true - it is for love sake that we preach the gospel, share it in forumns etc. Should God in His sovreignty grant understanding to whom He chooses, we rejoice. Our approach is one of fellow beggars that have found food, and humbly bid others to join us. It must be added that it is the endeavour to love God and His truth that compels us to share His truth amongst the ridicule that we are unloving - differing from all other religions. No hate here - only a love that wont embrace the error of pluralism in this post modern world - individuals are not hated for their adherence for error/heresy and the like, but systems of error all stand in rebellion to God and must be exposed as such.
Truth transcends sentimentality and/or tradition - it is based on Gods word alone - no additions or subtractions.
I entreat those who would rise up with excited passions to rather research the points presented for the sake of pursuing the knowledge of God. A Berean attitude in this regard would, once again, present the nobility required of those who love truth.

Your Servant in Christ
LD

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News Item8/6/05 1:26 AM
33k  
Ralph,

You seem very critical yourself of people that don't hold your beliefs. Many on this site hold robust and determined beliefs based upon the plain teaching of the gospel. What do you base your judgment on?

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News Item8/6/05 1:15 AM
Ralph | Minnesota  
Jim from Nebraska,

I can't believe that some could be very myopic regarding the things of Christ. All your postulations are dead wrong. You have defined the scripures to suit and align with your arguments. Your opinions are thank God - your opinions and do not depict reality. I recommend going to a bible school to reconnect your awry opinions back to the truth of scripture. Condemnation is greater sin more than the one you leveled against the Catholic Church. Do not hesitate in asking Our Lord for forgiveness.

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News Item8/6/05 1:04 AM
ralph  
There is a lot of hate among some of the proclaimed evangelical protestants on this site. Gospel of hate abounds predominantly especially towards the Roman Catholic Church. I strongly belief that abhorrent remarks by the various individuals here is a true reflection and exposition of their troubled hearts.Attacks on the RCC has been on for centuries, ironically, the church is stronger under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Whatever you say or condemn - remember your end.The Holy Scripture spells it ot clearly - "Judge not so that you may not be judged"
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News Item8/6/05 12:31 AM
Larry Dalton | South Africa  
It is not true that Roman Catholics hold to the Christian Faith. A cursory look at the Catholic Catechism reveals a distinctly different faith. Co-Mediatrix & Co-redemptrix, transubstantiation, Purgatory and indulgences reveal a lack of understanding of the work of Christ, His Offices and His Person.
The fundamental difference between Christianity and Catholicism lies bare for all to see... the historical roots of the Roman Catholic faith by Constantine should be studied. This will clearly reveal a Roman Catholic paganism that persecuted and murdered true believers due to the adherence to a different religion - evangelicals may, according to RC's, be 'separated brethren' since Vatican II, but were always considered to be heretics prior to that and were anathema.
Doctrinally, Roman Catholics and Evangelicals are further apart than ever....
Christians have one religious father - God alone. We have the intercessory work of Christ and the Holy Spirit - not the so called dead saints etc. We have a closed cannon - the Bible - we could never accept ex-cathedra pronouncements or council decrees. We have received a full a final pardon from Christ, we will not spend time in a place of human concoction. We have direct access to the father - not through a priesthood.
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News Item8/5/05 4:25 PM
Angela | Oklahoma  
The bible is clear about homasexuality! I stand behind the pastor and have no doubt the lord is pleased with his decision! My sister is a homasexual and I love her very much. I have invited her to church many times, but would not want her to represent my church as a member until she made an effort to repent and sin no more.
Angela H.
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News Item8/5/05 9:21 AM
Rick Eanes | Danvill,VA  Contact via email
Rev. Joohnson is so right to deny any sinner active memebership amongst the saints. I am a great sinner but repented. To continue to practice your sin is not repentance. I applaude Rev. Johnson as we need more holiness in our church and fewer represenatives from hell.
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News Item8/4/05 4:33 PM
John Yurich | USA  
Jim from Nebraska,

Where do you come up with that nonsense that the Catholic Church is a pagan church? A pagan church is like the Wiccans and the Church of Satan who do not believe in any of the historic Christian doctrines of belief that the Bible is the Word of God, belief in the Holy Trinity, belief in the Deity of Chrsit, belief in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ and belief in Christ is Lord and Savior.

So based upon the above definition of a pagan church nobody in their right mind would even suggest that the Catholic Church is a pagan church because the Catholic Church believes in all of the historic Christian doctrines listed in the previous paragraph.

In other words any church that is not an Evangelical Church and that has liturgical worship services is a false church?

Are you stating that only the non liturgical worship services of the Evangelical Churches are the only acceptable form of worship? Says who? Just because liturgical worship service is not mentioned in the Book of Acts does not mean that it is not an acceptable form of worship and it does not mean that it is any less valid of a worship service than the non liturgical worship services.

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News Item8/4/05 2:14 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
John, as I said, you're setting a bad example. I know no Christian during the Apostolic era or any other that stayed in a pagan church. You enjoy liturgy that is man-made and not Christian. Who cares if you like liturgy?! :-( because you like the show and not the substance would indicate you are not interested in Christianity. Christianity makes you comfortable with the relationship with God, it can cause controversy in families and even personal discomfort.
(AV)
James 2
14. What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
...
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. {alone: Gr. by itself}

2Corinthians 6
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

Again, John, marks of a true believer.

http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L206.pdf

and of course,

http://www.pro-gospel.org/main/Newsletters/2003-Volume12/Vol12no2.pdf

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News Item8/3/05 2:52 PM
John Yurich | USA  
Jim from Nebraska,

CONT. And another thing that I do not like about Evangelical Protestant Churches is that everybody is expected to communicate with the minister and with everybody else. Nobody can just sit in the back of the church and worship Christ.

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News Item8/3/05 2:49 PM
John Yurich | USA  
Jim from Nebraska,

What happens if I do not leave the Catholic Church and join an Evangelical Protestant Church? Does that mean that I will not go to Heaven when I pass away?

If you answer that it means that I will not go to Heaven when I pass away unless I leave the Catholic Church and join an Evangelical Protestant Church then you are stating that there are two requirements for salvation namely to take Christ as Savior and join an Evangelical Protestant Church.

That is going against what the Bible states that there is only one requirement for salvation and that is to take Christ as Savior.

I do not pray the Hail Mary Prayer and I have not for over 20 years.

I am not comfortable with the non liturgical worship services of the Evangelical Protestant Churches and I never will be. And Evangelical Protestant Churches do not have Saturday Vigil Services. I like to go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday in order to do other things on Sunday like laying around all morning until going to lunch and shopping. So what am I supposed to do then? Attend Evangelical Protestant Church and be miserable the whole time? CONT.

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News Item8/3/05 2:13 PM
Jim | Nebraska  
John, the requirement after one becomes a Christian, is to start behaving like one. Staying in a pagan church, was never done by a Christian. So yes, the requirement is to go to a Bible believing group. The Catholic Church isn't and you are setting a bad example, which is never suppose to be done by Christian by attending the Catholic Church. It seems to be that somehow one of our discussions got started on article about Rev. Paisley. You know he has many good articles on Catholicism on on his site. For example, the one on the, "Hail Mary" prayer is shorter than many comments on the Ankerberg site. You should look at this and many other fine articles on Catholicism there.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=marycross

Remember, a Christian was not chant the Hail Mary prayer. So don't do it, in public or private.

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News Item8/3/05 11:33 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Andrew,

And if I do not leave the Catholic Church and join an Evangelical Protestant Church does that mean that I will not go to Heaven when I pass away?

If the answer is yes that I will not go to Heaven when I pass away unless I leave the Catholic Church and join an Evangelical Protestant Church then that is adding another requirement onto salvation. The only requirement for salvation is to take Christ as Savior and that is that.

I do not have anything to do with the unsciptural doctrines of the Catholic Church or the unscriptural parts of the Mass.

I am just not comfortable with the non liturgical worship services of Evangelical Protestant Churches and I never will be.

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News Item8/3/05 11:10 AM
Andrew | UK  
John,

An intellectual, logical or otherwise, assent to a series of doctrines is not a correct definition of a believer.

You are within a system that is ungodly and accursed of God. This should make you more miserable than any non liturgical service ever could.

I do not say you cannot be saved and in the Roman Catholic Church, yet ‘if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new’. A true Christian cannot be happy within an apostate religion.

You can make silly excuses but the testimony of scripture is against the church you attend, if Jesus Christ died for your sins you must get out. It’s as simple as that really.

Cue, ‘I ignore the unscriptural parts of the mass’ etc. etc. etc.

God says ‘have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.’

Andrew

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News Item8/3/05 10:13 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Andrew,

CONT. And another reason that I am remaining Catholic is because I like to go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday morning in order to other things on Sunday like laying around the house until going out to lunch and shopping. Protestant Churches do not have Saturday Vigil Services.

If I took Christ as Savior and if every night when I go to bed I rededicate my life to Christ and ask Him to forgive any sins that I may have committed during the day then I am remaining saved regardless if I am remaining Catholic. If you really believed that church membership has no bearing on salvation then you would not be stating that it is an absolute necessity that Catholics, Eastern Orthodox or members of Non Evangelical Protestant Churches who take Christ as Savior have to join an Evangelical Protestant Church in order to be saved.

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News Item8/3/05 10:08 AM
John Yurich | USA  
Andrew,

Catholics are not unbelievers because they believe in the Holy Trinity, they believe that the Bible is the Word of God, they believe in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ and they believe that Christ is the Lord and Savior.

If I am only comfortable with liturgical worship services and not comfortable with the non liturgical worship services of Evangelical Protestant Churches and if I am not comfortable in Evangelical Protestant Churches because everybody is expected to communicate with the minister and everybody else and nobody can just sit in the back of church and worship Christ away from everybody else then what am I supposed to do? Attend Evangelical Protestant Church and be miserable the whole time?

Any Catholic who is intelligent should be able to ascertain the unscriptural doctrines of the Catholic Church and disregard and dispense with them and should only adhere to the scriptural doctrines of the Catholic Church. That is what I do because I am a college graduate who thinks logically and analytically.

Any Catholic that does not do what is stated in the above paragraph is some kind of a stupid imbecile who is not capable of thinking logically and analytically. CONT.

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