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SUNDAY, APR 3, 2005  |  86 comments
Billy Graham: Pope a voice for morality


Billy Graham with the Pope in Nov. 1982

Graham called Pope John Paul II "unquestionably the most influential voice for morality and peace in the world during the last 100 years" shortly after the pontiff's death Saturday afternoon.

"He was truly one of those rare individuals whose legacy will endure long after he has gone," Graham said in a statement released by the Charlotte-based Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

In the statement, Graham recalled meeting with the pope at the Vatican.

"In his own way, he saw himself as an evangelist," Graham said. "He was convinced that the complex problems of our world are ultimately moral and spiritual in nature, and only Christ can set us free from the shackles of sin and greed and violence." ...


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News Item5/30/05 5:06 PM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
Talking out the side of your mouth again Bill,"Albert,the poor was a good man"

THATS WHY Bill" YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

I see you didn't take up my last challenge to you either

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News Item5/30/05 4:42 PM
Bil  
Albert, the poor was a good man!
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News Item5/30/05 3:37 PM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
Here is a very nice quote from that well loved papist.
Bellarmine says="No one can be certain with the certainty of faith,that he has a true sacrament,since the sacrament is not formed without the INTENTION of the minister,and NO ONE CAN SEE THE INTENTION OF ANOTHER. "Tom.i.p.488. Prag 1721.
It must sicken any papish Idol worshipper on here to know you have to believe in a man made doctrine as this

THATS WHY papes "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

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News Item5/30/05 3:07 PM
Arthur | Scotland  
Arminians...and Roman Catholics:-

I didn't know you guys were so buddy buddy?

I found this by A.A.Hodge, quote;
"The phrase supererogation means more than is demanded. Works of supererogation are in their own nature impossible under the moral law of God. In man's present state even the most eminent saint is incapable of fully discharging all his obligations - much more of course, of surpassing them. The Romish Church teaches the ORDINARY ARMINIAN THEORY of perfectionism. In addition to this error they teach, [a] that good works subsequent to baptism nerit increase of grace and eternal felicity.(Council of Trent).
And [b] They distinguish between the commands and the counsels of Christ. The former are binding upon all classes of the people, and their observance necessary in order to salvation. The latter, consisting of advice, not of commands - such as celibacy, voluntary poverty, obedience to monastic rules, etc - are binding only on those who voluntarily assume them, seeking a higher degree of perfection and a more exalted reward."
unquote.

Is this why Billy is so pally with popes??

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News Item5/30/05 2:13 PM
33k  
Classic (yet again!).
GG incriminates himself and the vile system he adheres to and then declares
"Your attempt to slander us thus falls flat. But, do try again."
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News Item5/30/05 2:00 PM
GG  
Mr Bellarmine, is speaking of something that is an impossibility, namely that the Holy Spirit would lead a Pope to command vice and prohibit virtue. Those bad Popes of the past did little teaching, but rather conscentrated on living lives of debauchery. Any Pope who would try to teach such error would probably be eliminated by God's intervention. Lastly, the people of the RCC are part of the people of God, as such they have their own consciences and duties to obey God and his word. Your attempt to slander us thus falls flat. But, do try again.
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News Item5/30/05 7:10 AM
Anthony  
According to that Goliath of Popery, Bellarmine,

"If the Pope should command vice, or prohibit virtue, the church is obliged to believe vice to be good and virtue to be evil! All the sanctions of the Apostolic see are so to be understood, as if confirmed by the voice of St. Peter himself; whatsoever the Church, doth determine, whatever it doth appoint, is perpetual and irrevocable, and to be observed by all men." "Christ has bestowed on the Pope, who is Peter's successor, the same infallible spirit that he had; and, therefore, the Pope's decretory letters are to be received as if they were the words of St. Peter, and to be accounted as the very Bible itself."

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News Item5/30/05 7:05 AM
ARCH  
AMEN. ALBERT
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News Item5/30/05 7:03 AM
ALBERT | NORTHERN IRELAND  
ROMES TOTAL HYPOCRISY.
While papish rome raises Matrimony to the rank of Sacrament,she at the same time refuses it to her priests.
On one hand, she unduly exalts this ordanence,and on the other,she DEGRADES IT.
Then with the VULGAR history of popes and priests,you have The DOCTRINE OF INTENTION,and that just about kills of any sacrament they have,as they can't ever know if they have ever recieved a TRUE SACRAMENT .

THATS WHY "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN"

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News Item5/30/05 6:55 AM
ARCH  
The papal system is non other than antichrist how can antichrist be a voice for morality?
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News Item5/30/05 6:38 AM
Anthony  
GG said: Protestants like Anthony, believe that unless the Bible says that you can do an action, you can't do it.

IF something is contrary to scripture, though it not be specifically adressed, but indirectly forbidden, of course you cant do it!

Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

If something be not specifically approved, but it is not contrary to scripture, and you violate no commandment or scriptural principle or example by partaking, then you may do it to the glory of God!

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

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News Item5/30/05 6:26 AM
Anthony  
GG said "Catholics are NOT forbidden to marry."

Where in scripture does God tell the church to impose vows of celibacy on those entering the ministry? Rome requires that its hierarchy take a vow of celibacy!

Rome does indeed forbid such to marry!
Though they would argue that it is voluntary, The fact is if one would be a priest he must take a vow of celibacy, or he can be no priest!

The bible does not forbid any lawful marriage of persons wanting to serve in the ministry, God does not impose vows of celibacy!

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry
Is certainly fulfilled in the roman church!

Does not the catholic Church command to abstain from meats?

GG you are speaking lies in hypocrisy!

Your conscience is seared!

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly.... some shall depart from the faith, giving heed seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY; HAVING THEIR CONSCIENCE SEARED WITH A HOT IRON;
Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,

Mat 15:7-9 YE HYPOCRITES, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

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News Item5/30/05 5:39 AM
Anthony  
Lance, the Apostle Paul chose celibacy it was not a requirment for being an apostle!

Lance being a monk or a nun is not a life dedicated to God, but one dedicated to the church of Rome!

Where is the scriptural precedent for dedicating ones entire life to God by becoming a monk or a nun?

Every disciple of Christ must forsake all for him!

Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

What is the use of spending your life in a monastery or a nunnery? How does this honour God, seeing God commends no such thing?

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News Item5/30/05 3:05 AM
Anthony  
GG, When did I say that a single man could not be a bishop? I neither said it or implied it!

Rather the scriptures I qouted were to show that a Bishop can rightfully be a married man!

There was no double speak, as to the rest of your points I will come back to them later as I am busy.

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News Item5/30/05 1:52 AM
GG  
Protestants like Anthony, believe that unless the Bible says that you can do an action, you can't do it. This is because they have not being given the Authority that Christ gave the true Church. Perhaps this could be acceptable practice I suppose but people like Anthony first: don't accept all of the true Bible (Proto and Deutero-canonicals) and secondly, they misconstrew the Bible they do have. Matt 16:19 gives the RCC the power to make laws that bind the people of God in Jesus' place. Therefore in certains cases we can do things so long as they are not prohibited. An example is the use of images in Church. God said not to worship any image and the RCC teaches its people not to worship any image. But, Moses used a bronze serpent to heal the Israelites and images were often used in the 1st and 2nd Temple. "The truth shall make you free".
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News Item5/30/05 1:33 AM
GG  
Anthony also wrongfully quotes the following; "1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."

Resp: Catholics are NOT forbidden to marry. As to abstaining from meat, see Colossians 2:16, " No one is free, therefore, to pass judgement on you in terms of what you eat or drink...".

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News Item5/30/05 1:23 AM
GG  
Here is an example of Protestant double-think, and its all supposedly backed up by the Bible. Which is higher, to be an Apostle or a Bishop?
Yet Anthony quotes Paul thus:

"1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Co 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

Do the above quotes say that a single man may not be a Bishop. NO, only that he can have only one wife. It is understood by MOST REASONABLE FOLKS that a Bishop may be single. Paul goes on to say, "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I". In other words, "SINGLE". IF Paul, an Apostle, is single, then it is acceptable for any man to be single and a Bishop. No wonder I don't listen to Protestant Bible double-talk.

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News Item5/29/05 10:23 PM
Lance Eccles | sydney, australia  Contact via email
Anthony, celibacy isn't a teaching. It's a discipline for those ready (like St Paul) to accept it.

As for monks and nuns, I'm unaware that the Bible forbids dedicating one's whole life to God.

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News Item5/29/05 7:27 PM
Goofus  
monkeys are good!
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News Item5/29/05 11:31 AM
Anthony  
Lance, also what is the biblical foundation for being a monk or a nun? and Christ is the great high priest, so what need has the true christian of a priest?

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Lance why the wafer god? And why the confessional? Why prayers to saints? Why the blasphemous worship of Mary?

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

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