Any discussion of President Bush’s presumed evangelicalism is complicated. Evangelicalism is a style of worship, not a set of beliefs, and to a large extent evangelical Protestants are defined by their personal stories of faith and by whom they choose as their pastor. But core to many evangelicals’ identity is the “born-again” experience described in John 3:3, when a sinner undergoes an intense conversion during a personal interaction with the Holy Spirit, often Jesus Himself.
George Bush has not said directly that he was ever born again. He has often said he was pointed on the path to God after a discussion with evangelist Billy Graham in 1985.
“Over the course of that weekend, Reverend Graham planted a mustard seed in my soul, a seed that grew over the next year,” Bush wrote in his 1999 campaign autobiography, “A Charge to Keep.”
The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed that...
Let's pray like Paul prayed for the Colossians... that .. Just as Pres. Bush received Christ Jesus as LORD, that he would continue to live in HIM. rooted and built up in HIM, strengthened in the faith as he was taught, and overflowing with thankfulness..
We REALLY need to pray for our President. I pray he may have a divine experience that will shake the foundations of his soul. I don't know his state, but I know that he will exemplify a strong public conviction of sin and holiness if God grabs his heart. He has professed salvation, but I pray that sanctification may set in.
Abraham Lincoln had an experience after giving his Gettysburg Address. He knelt in the battlefield and got gloriously saved.
I pray that Mr. Bush, even though I support him, will hear from God.
I've written this below also, but just to clarify, as for myself, I make no judgment about Bush's salvation or about whether he is saved or anything - I neither condemn nor judge him. I would never do such lest I be wrong and have to answer to God - the negative comments I have about Bush are to no purpose but the showing of his 'regularness' to other people who have got incorrect ideas about him.
Ezra - as for the drinking, I saw only last year him tell reporters he had his summer buzz going and couldn't answer too many questions (I haven't got a video of that though), so that shows me he still drinks, and given his admission of being a former alcoholic who went dry in 1986 (which statement the video DOES prove is a lie), that would make him a practicing alcoholic - maybe a saved one, maybe not, I don't know.
We must be careful in condemning the man. I realize that he is not a head of church, but a head of state. The video of him drinking is an old one. We do not know if he is doing this currently. To be prejudice is dangerous. We don't know if has repented since then either. I reccomend you contact the President in regards to his salvation.
Seriously, we need to go to him and be specific in our inquiry of his salvation. It is one thing to post railings on his bad testimony, but it is another to post them ignorantly (even in some cases willingly ignorantly)in light of his spiritual state.
I urge anyone to be curious to the White House about his spiritual condition. He can be reached in multiple forms of communication. Take advantage of it.
Really, I don't feel in a position to give an exact answer on this. I do agree that if Bush is part of the United Methodist Church, he needs to make a change at least to a more conservative Methodist denomination. Born again doesn't guarantee one will never go into error or have their faith diluted with liberal ideas.
Irregardless of what our own particular opinion may be, let us always remember that we are commanded to honor and subject ourselves unto those who have been placed in authority over us by God (Rom. 13:1-7). The comments we post at this website should not be made in a spirit of insubordination or disrespect, but in one of sincere and humble concern. We also need to constantly remind ourselves "that, FIRST OF ALL, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; for kings, and FOR ALL THAT ARE IN AUTHORITY; that we may lead a quiet and peacable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour" (1 Ti. 2:1-3). The person who constantly seeks to disrespect and/or scorn his leaders, regardless of whether they are saved or lost, is an abomination to men (Prov. 24:9).
There's alot of speculation I noticed concerning whether our President is really a Christian.
Let's look at some facts:
Bush certainly claims to be a Christian. I think we all agree on this but a person is not always what they say they are.
Notice in James 2:14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man SAY he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?"
I don't think any true Christian would remain in an apostate denomination very long before becoming so convicted by the Holy Spirit that he/she must leave that dead church and escape for their life to a gathering of believers where the true gospel is preached.
Isn't Bush a member or regular attender of the United Methodist Church? If so then this is a testimoney AGAINST his profession seeing that denomination has ordained sodomites and woman to the ministry and allows for other practices contrary to the gospel.
Elders or preachers must be the husband of one wife according to Titus 1:6.
This disqualifies women preachers.
Romans 1:24-32 describes the result of unbelief, homosexuality being just one result, and apostasy from the living God.
Bush is also a member of the Skull and Bones organization a secret society which no Christian could countenance in good conscience.
As for my part, I haven't by any means forgotten the log in my own eye, but I'm also not claiming to be a super-christian like Bush is (and many of his adherents), nor am I telling people I am worthy to be the moral leader of the United States, like Bush. I'm simply pointing out he isn't what he says he is but I am saying what I am - also flawed. Difference is I admit it, while Bush is crooked as they come while trying to act like he isn't, all the while permitting people to venerate him as a great man of God and so forth.
Bush has been lied to by the Ecumenicist camp ever since the sun shone on his face. I really think that he is saying the whole Muslim thing out of ignorance. Of course the "top" (Ecumenical) scholars are going to tell him that we worship the same entity. How could he tell the difference when no one tells him? I'll see your video, but I still think it is a little bit old to use against him. I know people mess up if they let sin in their lives. Presently I believe he is on track in his walk.
Ezra, you're missing the entire point, which is that I have used no source other than Bush's mouth! I didn't find these facts somewhere. There's the video, and things I've seen Bush say. You can't argue with that. There is no propaganda! The point is, again these are things I've seen him say. And don't assume I'm a fan of Kerry either. Please don't take this wrong, but your replies just serve to demonstrate my point that Bush has been able to cynically wield the hammer of religion to dupe good-hearted, bible-believing Christian people like I assume you are, into believing anything he says - even when video evidence proves otherwise! (P.S. it's pretty common knowledge he believes we and Muslims worship the same God). No political person, scheme, or party is 'the godly one' and the sooner we stop understanding politics in that way the better.
One who has a 'zeal of his heart to live a holy life' does not lie like a rug, drink like a fish (see video evidence below), and pray to Allah (after all GW says we and Muslims worship the same God, Islam is a holy religion of God, just like Christianity, and indeed I've seen him holding 'interfaith' prayers with these Muslim Imams during which they pray to whatever God it is that we supposedly share). Conservative Christians have made Bush their pope and it's shameful.
TV (also known as Dagon or Hellevision - and same goes for radio for that matter) is a pipeline of filth and an abomination to God and no true Christian would enjoy watching / listening to it. Those who still enjoy groveling in such degrading worldly swill have never seen Him (Christ) or known Him, but are constituted a friend of the world and an enemy of God.
It would be great if Mr Bush did toss his TV and put a brick through it (the only recommended form of TV entertainment and a very satifying 'pop' sound when they implode). Sadly I don't think he will go so far as he still seems obsessed with Baal worship (footbaal, softbaal etc).
Laura, you are very misinformed. He does indeed watch TV, especially sports. It is a well known and reported fact that he watched much of the last Superbowl. By the way, not watching or watching TV does not make you holy.
Our President Bush, because of the zeal of his heart to live a holy life, refuses to watch nearly all of the newly released movies that are sent to the White House as a complimentary addition to the White House movie library. In addition, he does not watch T.V. shows or listen to the popular music of our day. Nor does he follow the lives of secular entertainers or such trashy information. In return he is vilified by the news media as being out of touch with society. How many of us - "spiritual" Christians that we are, can say the same thing? I am sad that I know who Seinfeld is, where our President had to be told. Our works can not save us but they do reveal who we are on the inside. Why is it that the Europeans, who have rejected Christianity in the vast majority, hate Bush? Is it because he is a Republican? Partly, but mostly because the righteous and the wicked hold each other in abomination, according to Proverbs.
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