members, click to sign in..

6,045 active users!!Bandwidth
WEDNESDAY
OCT 22, 2014
Home
NewsSITE
Events & Blogs
New Audio & Video
Broadcasters
Local Church Finder
Webcast LIVE NOW!
Sermons by Bible
Sermons by Topic
Sermons by Speaker
Sermons by Date
Staff Picks
CommentsALL -17 min
Top Sermons
VideosPDFs
Daily Log
Photos
StoresNew Stuff!
Online Bible
Hymnal
Daily Reading
Our Services
Submit Sermon
Members Only

 
RELIGION, CURRENT EVENTS, TECHNOLOGY Subscribe to the breaking newsWhat is RSS?
FRONT PAGE  |  10/22/2014
Choice News SUNDAY, JUL 11, 2004  |  29 comments
Vietnam vet prays publicly to see California town saved


Gene Cooper prays near the corner of Walnut and School streets in downtown Lodi on most Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays from 11 a.m. to noon. The disabled veteran has been praying for the city of Lodi and its residents for the past two years. (Amy Weddell

Gene Cooper is dedicated to helping everyone in Lodi and Stockton find salvation through God and Jesus Christ. And Cooper, 62, just does it in a most public way.

On most Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays beginning at 11 a.m., Cooper spends an entire hour kneeling at the northeast corner of School and Oak streets near the post office.

He does the same thing from 2 to 3 p.m. on the same days at Hammer Lane and Lower Sacramento Road in Stockton.

"I'm praying for the salvation of Lodi and Stockton," said Cooper, a Stockton resident. "There's a lot of people who don't know the Lord; I'm not in a big hurry to let people go to hell." ...


CLICK HERE to Read Entire Article
www.lodinews.com

   10/08/14  |  Indiana State Trooper Sued for Stopping Woman and Inquiring... • 7 comments
   09/30/14  |  Ted Cruz Opens Up About Troubled Early Life • 1 comments
   08/25/14  |  Michael Brown confessed Jesus as his Saviour in weeks before his... • 401 comments
   08/15/14  |  Revelation: Robin Williams 'accepted Jesus Christ' • 44 comments
   06/13/14  |  Church Offends Muslims With Pamphlet That Says They're Going to... • 71 comments
MORE RELATED ( SALVATION ) NEWS | MORE..
   10/18/14  |  Gay marriage becomes legal in Arizona • 16 comments
   10/18/14  |  Ted Cruz: "Real Risk" Of Pastors Being Jailed For Preaching... • 12 comments
   10/18/14  |  Rev. Billy Graham: ‚ÄėAmerica is Just as Wicked as Sodom and... • 27 comments
   10/16/14  |  Mark Driscoll resigns • 17 comments
   10/15/14  |  Houston demands oversight of sermons • 29 comments
OTHER CHOICE NEWS | MORE..
   06/02/14  |  A Letter to SermonAudio From a Missionary to Haiti • 10 comments
   02/07/14  |  Bringing the Gospel of John to Every Home in Austin, TX • 31 comments
   01/07/14  |  SermonAudio Partners with RFC for the 2014 Family Conference at... • 1 comments
   01/01/14  |  Happy New Year from SermonAudio! • 29 comments
   12/10/13  |  SermonAudio Broadcaster Loses Historic Church Building To Fire • 3 comments
OTHER CHOICE NEWS | MORE..
   10/22/14  |  Gunmen open fire at Canadian Parliament building • 3 comments
   10/22/14  |  Your Vote Doesn't Really Matter ‚ÄĒ Or So You're Led to Believe • 3 comments
   10/22/14  |  Christians Persecuted for Their Faith Will Serve 6 More Years in... • 6 comments
   10/22/14  |  Hong Kong Churches Divided over Whether to Support Protesters • 1 comments
   10/22/14  |  Obama: Constitution guarantees same-sex marriage in U.S • 2 comments
OTHER RECENT NEWS | MORE..

COMMENTS | show all | add new  
    Sorting Order:  
· Page 1 ·  Found: 29 user comment(s)
News Item7/23/04 8:34 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Jayhawk,
re my post below,
it sounds a bit of a contradiction i realise ,that i "assume" you are a Christian, but hesitant to call you a brother or sister.(Just in case you are not)

Please do not take any offence in that, as i do not mean any. Thanks!

...have a good weekend.

29

News Item7/23/04 8:23 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Jayhawk,
Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth..

Romans 8:33

Of course i am not saying everybody who disagrees with me twists the scripture, neither do i say that i am the only one who loves Christ and His people dearly ,i fail on loving the saints more than any.

Jayhwak, you make comments such as i have a dilemma in my interprtation of 1 Timothy 2:1, because it would mean that i should then pray to those men in hell,as well as on earth.

That is akin to saying that when God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), He is bound by Himself to be commanding all men in hell to repent.
(Hence twisting scripture and mocking God.)

...there is exhortation in Ephesians six for the saints to pray and make supplication for all saints, so that is limited to beleivers, even though we do not know all the names of all the saints!

You have said you are not trying to trip me up,or make me look a fool, and as i assume you are a Christian, then you would not be lying,but all i do is try and compare scripture with scripture.

You still have not told us where you are spiritually, maybe not saved? So i am still very hesitant to call you a brother or sister.

28

News Item7/22/04 8:21 PM
jayhawk | KS  
Hi Norman,

So I guess anyone that disagrees with you twists Scriptures and is mocking God ??? I am also guessing you believe that you are the only one who "loves Christ dearly, and so love His people dearly" ???

I know one person who would agree with me Norm...it is your pastor...since you are a Calvinist...i'm assuming you go to church that has a Calvinist pastor...you should have a chat with him about it...if he believes all 5 points of TULIP...i guarantee he'll disagree with your interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:1...that it means "all men everywhere". :-)

As a matter of fact...You are the first Calvinist I've ever known that interpreted 1 Timothy 2:1 that way...

27

News Item7/22/04 12:51 PM
a believer |    
So Christ died for all our sins, except unbelief? Is not unbelief sin? How about Judas Iscariot, or Korah, Dathan or Abiram? Did he die for these men as well. With regard to those around him, read Zec 12:10 for more insight as to whom the savior is referring to. Also read the intercessary prayer of the Lord in John 17, particularly verse 2, and 20.
26

News Item7/22/04 10:41 AM
Mike | New York  
Hi, Believer,
"..forgive them for they know not what they do." Those are His words, not my own. He was being crucified, paying for the sin of all of us, yet asked for forgiveness, not for mankind in general, but for the crowd around Him, those doing the physical deed of crucifixion. They "know not what they do" because they did not know they were putting to death the Son of God, which would have been unforgiveable.

Psalm 2 is a prophetic Psalm. The things spoken of in it began with the persecution of the church as written in Acts, and continue today. Some are yet to be fulfilled. The Lord has yet to be given the nations as His inheritance, nor has He yet broken them with a rod of iron.

25

News Item7/22/04 6:15 AM
A believer |    
Mike, I think you are very much mistaken when you say that Christ was asking the Father to forgive them (the world or non-believers); "for they know not what they do." I don't find anywhere in scripture where what the Son prays to the Father for is not granted. Nor is the Father's will distinct and separate from the son and Holy Spirit. Please read Psalm 2. Both the Jews and Gentiles(who comprise the entire world) knew exactly what they were doing. It is clear from scripture that he has in mind only those whom he would die for to give his life as ransom for.
24

News Item7/21/04 3:38 PM
Mike  | New York  
Hi Jayhawk,
About "..you would be praying contrary to the way Jesus praying in John 17:9."

The Lord was praying specifically for his disciples, not to set us an example for prayer methods. He was about to be crucified and His prayer was that the Father would protect them, sanctify them, give them unity, joy and so on.

John 17:9 needs to be understood in the context of John 17:6-19.

The Lord doesn't pray for the world because He is interceding for believers. He gave His life for the world. Should He do more? But He did pray for non-believers while on the Earth. Need an example? "...Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

To say that praying for all men means praying individually for 5 billion doesn't fly. Do you ever pray for your country? It certainly needs it! That doesn't mean praying for 280 million people individually, does it?

23

News Item7/21/04 2:52 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Sigh.
Jayhawks, the Lord knows all five billion people on the planet, but i do not, so can only pray generally.With respect, you made some rather outrageous comments,twisting the Word of God.Be warned, God is not mocked.

...I am running into dilemmas all the time ! Seems to be how my life is...

You seem to have it all sussed out, no matter what anyone says, so i leave you to it. Sorry,i have had enough of discussing doctrinal things on these forums, i always hoped for some warm Christian fellowship with those who loved Christ dearly, and so loved His people dearly,as this is far more profitable but i am beginning to think such Christians do not exist. But then i have to look into my own heart as well.

I spend my whole time trying to encourage the saints, but so little in return.

Anyway, keep studying Jay, and have a good day, but please, i am done with discussing these verses from 1 Timothy, i have set my stall out, using scripture, and not carnal reasoning.Somebody else will have to take it up with you. Thanks.

22

News Item7/20/04 10:14 PM
jayhawk | KS  
Hi Norman,

You run into a dilemma in 1 Timothy 2:1 if it is to fit in Mike's interpretation...it is not humanly possible to pray for all 5+ Billion people on the planet...and then you must also offer prayers for every person that has yet to be born...and also you must pray for every person that has ever existed since the world was formed about 6,000 years ago...starting with Adam...this may sound ridiculous...but if you are going to pray for ALL MEN EVERYWHERE...you have to pray for even the ones that are no longer living...whether they are in Heaven or in Hell.

Not only that...you would be praying contrary to the way Jesus praying in John 17:9 .

In one sermon I listened to on here...the pastor gives an interpretation that I tend to agree with... that 1 Timothy 2:1 is not telling us to pray for all men everywhere...but is only telling us to pray for Kings and men in authority...so the "all men" mentioned in 1 Timothy 2:1 refers to the Kings and men in authority.

That being said...your interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:6 has some merit to it.

21

News Item7/19/04 3:03 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
...CONTINUED,

as for 1 Timothy 2:6, this is the easiest of the three as i see it, for in two places in the gospels, we read that Christ gave himself a ransom for MANY.

Now, if in Timothy it means all men everywhere, then we have a contradiction with what is written in Matthew and Mark.

So the all,in Timothy, in relation to
the gospels, must be specific and not general. (e.g. All different kinds of people, men, women, boys, girls, rich, poor, Asian, European, etc...)

Now you may or may not agree, that is your perogative, please do not expect me to "argue" the case, the Word of God is too holy for that.

I may be wrong, i may be right,better minds than me have pondered over these verses!

I must get to work now.
have a good day.
Norm.

20

News Item7/19/04 2:50 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Hi Jayhawk,
just logged in to see that Mike has done what i believe is right summary on verses one and two, although i appreciate what you had to say too. But Mike i believe is nearer the mark. Thanks Mike.

As for verese 4, even a lot of "Calvinists" accept that all means all men everywhere, but does not interfere with His decree that only some will be saved. (Otherwise this means salvation is in the hands of the sinner, instead of salvation is of the Lord.) For a better explanation, try Matthew Henry's commentary, which takes the view i have just mentioned.

This may be the right view.?

However, personally i do not see how the Lord can will every person to be saved specifically, for they all would be! Why do i say that? Because in Job 23:13 we see that what God's soul desireth,even that he doeth!, so all mankind will be saved!

We do know that some texts in scripture support more than one explanation without contradiction, and it is possible this text does as well.

as for verse six....CONTINUED on next post...

19

News Item7/18/04 11:11 PM
Mike | New York  
Hi Jayhawk,
May I inject a thought on 1Tim.2:1 and 2:2? We needn't think of them as mutually exclusive. As an example, I might sometimes pray for "my children", "the children", "all the children", etc. Then again I might pray for them by name, individually. Likewise, if someone asks you to pray for their children, and in the next statement asks for prayer for a specific child, that child is still one of the children of the previous request.

The kings and all who are in authority(1Tim.2:2) are included in 1Tim.2:1. The specific exhortation in 2:2 was given for a specific reason which is stated in the second clause: "..that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence."

Verse 1 is general. Verse 2 is specific.

18

News Item7/18/04 5:49 PM
jayhawk | KS  
Hi Norm :-)

Here is my explanation of why "all men" may not mean "all men everywhere" in verse 1:

I think we need to take the verse (2:1) in its context and look at 1 Timothy 2:2 with it...

1 Timothy 2:1: I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1 Timothy 2:2: For kings, and for all that are in authority;

If Paul is telling us to pray for all men everywhere in verse 1...why is he telling us to also pray for "kings, and for all that are in authority" in verse 2" ...since they would have already have been included in the "all men everywhere" of verse 1?

And if you think about it...it is not humanly possible for us to literally pray for every single person that is on the planet...unless you pray for the world in general...but no one can pray for all 5+ Billion people in the world individually.

Maybe you can give me an better explanation than I just gave...I'm not mocking you...nor Calvinism...nor do I want to make you look like a fool...I just want to get your thoughts :-)

However...if "all" does mean "all men everywhere" in verse 1...as you say it does...please explain to me why "all men" doesn't mean "all men everywhere" in verses 2:4 and 2:6.

17

News Item7/18/04 2:45 PM
Norman Smith  
...but to bring the subject right back into context jayhawks, are YOU suggesting 1 Timothy 2:1 does not mean all men everywhere?

..if it does, then that would mean bro Cooper, and all the people of God ,,have Biblical warranty to pray for non Christians.

If you think it does not, then laying aside the other two verses you quoted from the same chapter,for the time being, then maybe you can explain why it does not !

So you see i need to know a bit where you stand before answering the questions you posed.
thanks very much.

16

News Item7/18/04 2:20 PM
Norman Smith  
Jayhawks,
before getting into any kind of theological discussion, i need to know a bit more about you, as you seem to have a mocking attitude to "Calvinism", and to want to trip me up ,and maybe to make myself look a fool,so i have learnt to be very wary about people asking me to comment on scripture now on these threads.

Sorry if that disappoints you.

15

News Item7/18/04 2:00 PM
jayhawk | KS  
Hi Norm,

This is kind of off topic...but isn't the main Calvinist argument that the word "all" doesn't really mean "all" ???

Norm... since you're a Calvinist, maybe you can answer this question for me...

Why does "all men" mean "all men" in 1 Timothy 2:1...as you say it does...yet only a few verses later..."all men" actually means "some men" in 1 Timothy 2:4 and 2:6 ???

So am I supposed to believe that "all" means "all" in this verse...

1 Timothy 2:1: I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for ALL MEN;

Yet "all" actually means "some" in these two verses... ???

1 Timothy 2:4: Who will have ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:6: Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.

14

News Item7/18/04 8:19 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Just one more post on this thread for now. (To Jayhawk)

Firstly, you seem to be well acquainted with what the cults teach, so i submit to your superior knowledge about the J.W.'s . No worries.

...secondly, you hesitate in calling Gene Cooper a "brother",so i ask should we hesitate in calling you a brother/sister then, as i can not find much about you,(apart from 5 comments on sermonaudio ?), not even your real name, unless it is Jay Hawk ?

thanks.

13

News Item7/18/04 5:11 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Jayhawks,
you are right about the Lord not praying for the world, only His own in John 17, that is what scripture says, and so that is what i accept. i also would like to add that the Lord intercedes for them, His own, in glory now, Hebrews 7:25. If this is "Calvinism", then it is Biblical.

Now , regarding, would i disagree with Cooper,or you, or i, praying for the people in a location,well, i have Biblical warranty, to do so. Nehemiah 1:6

In the N.T. , i find warrant in 1 Timothy 2:1

Regarding whether it should be done in the way that Mr.Cooper is doing , comments have been made already by you, me, Walt, and James, which all have some relevance in them, and so not to be dismissed out of hand.

If we passed Mr.Cooper in the street, would we encourage him? Discourage him? Ignore him? Or try and show him a more excellent way?

12

News Item7/18/04 4:34 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,England  
Jayhawks,
i hear loud and clear the points you have made to me personally.Thankyou for your concern.
I shall "think on these things" a bit more, before adding , or not adding, further contributions.
11

News Item7/18/04 3:40 AM
jayhawk | KS  
James, Walt,

This man is praying to be seen...could you picture Jesus or the Apostle Paul kneeling down before a sign that reads "I AM PRAYING FOR THE WORLD" ...the Pharisees would have loved this idea, because they wanted people to know that they were praying...Mr. Cooper wants the publicity also...that is why he has the huge sign.

And Norman... if I remember correctly from reading your numerous posts...you are a Calvinist? Wouldn't you be opposed to someone praying for the entire city since Jesus prayed "not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me" (John 17:9) ??? ;-)

10
There are a total of 29 user comments displayed | add new comment |Subscribe to these comments
Jump to Page : [1] 2 | last
Last PostTotal
Military preps team for Ebola response in US
another helper: " john uk .... p.s. too many http's in the link. not so...."
-17 min 21 
Newsweek: Jesus Was Crucified Because Disciples Were Armed?
pennelope: "folks this is how propaganda works. its not meant to be a scientific..."
-49 min 
Women bishops change approved in the House of Lords
ernest from lagos nigeria: "there is nothing feminine about god. god will never be..."
-56 min 10 


Can Christians lose salvation?

E. A. Johnston
Mistakes Of Modern Evangelism

Tuesday, July 30, 2013
Teaching
Ambassadors For Christ Intl-US
Play! | MP3 | RSS

Forsaken
Scott T. Brown

Phil Layton
Jesus's Glory the Point of All

Creation Apologetics
Gold Country Baptist...
Play! | MP3

Evangelist Ed Lacy
The Life that Glorifies God 2

Ed Lacy Ministries
Teaching
Play! | MP3

Evangelist Ed Lacy
The Life that Glorifies God 1

Ed Lacy Ministries
Teaching
Play! | MP3

Pastor Ralph Ovadal
Rising Protestant Magisterium

Pilgrims Covenant Church
Sunday - AM
Play! | MP3

Kevin Swanson
The Vatican and Homosexuals

Who Will Stand for Truth?
Generations Radio
Play! | MP3

Blog 9/20/14
Protestant Gender Hypocrisy

Grace Community International
dear prayer warr­iors, a friend who as an educ­at­or...

Sponsor:
Westminster Assembly's Grand Debate

Prepub 19.95 +s/h. Papers on Congr­eg­at­ion­al­ism/ Presbyt­er­ian­ism. 12/14 Napht­ali Press
www.naphtali.com/news

Sermon: Why Would God Create Hell?
Dr. Andy Bloom






                   
The greatest wisdom on this earth is holiness. ... W. S. Plumer

City: Las Vegas, NV
Gospel of John
Cities | Local | Personal
MOBILE
iPhone + iPad
Church App
Android
Church App
Kindle + Nook
BlackBerry
Windows Mobile, Nokia
Chromecast TV
ROKU TV
Pebble Smartwatch
Kindle Reader


HELP
Knowledgebase
Broadcasters
Listeners
Q&A
Uploading Sermons
Uploading Videos
Webcasting
Tips & Tricks
YouTube Screencasts

FOLLOW
Weekly Newsletter
Staff Picks Feed
Site Notices
RSS | Twitter | Facebook
SERVICES | ALL
Local Church Finder | Info
MP3 Play & Download
Mobile Apps
Podcasting
Video Support
Live Webcasting
Transcription Service
HIFI Option
Business Cards
SOLO | MINI | Domains
Favorites
QR Codes
24x7 Radio Stream
INTEGRATION
Sermon Browser
HTML Codes
WordPress
Twitter
Facebook
Logos | e-Sword
SOAP API

BATCH
Transfer Agent
Protected Podcasts
Upload via Email
Auto-Upload Sermons
Auto-Blog Import
Picasa | FTP | Dropbox
ABOUT US
SermonAudio.com is the largest library of audio sermons from conservative churches and ministries worldwide. All broadcasters must adhere to the Articles of Faith.

Our Services | Testimonials
Broadcast With Us!
Support Us
Advertising | Local Ads
CONTACT
info@sermonaudio.com
Copyright © 2014 SermonAudio.com.