Last October The Portugal News reported on the Interfaith Congress held at Fátima, one of Catholicism’s most sacred sites, where representatives of the world’s leading religions allegedly explored the possibility of opening the shrine to a whole variety of faiths. While the newspaper received many letters and emails congratulating it for reporting on the congress, it was also criticised by some groups who claimed that Fátima would remain exclusively Catholic.
Now, however, we can report that the first steps in developing Fátima as a multi-faith centre could have been taken. On May 5th, SIC and SIC Notícias carried a report on a Hindu religious service held in the Chapel of the Apparitions at the shrine.
SIC’s broadcast appears, to some extent, vindicate The Portugal News’ October report. Sixty Hindus led by a high priest had travelled from Lisbon to pay homage to the Goddess Devi, the divinity...
Albert, can you drop me a note at my e-mail address--I noticed you're in Northern Ireland. I'd like to know more about the social, cultural, religious scene there. Thanks.
ref the books of the apocrypha(hidden and concealed)is a mater of dispute. these are not admitted into the hebrew canon by the jews,and i don't think CHRIST ever quoted from them. only the RCC accorded them as canonical just from the so called councel of trent. some of these books are just a bit of history others are a corruption of books already in the old testement GG the inquisition lasted for 600 years,over the reigns of more than eighty popes,do you think we should go out and submit our ears to the speeches of a pope who can point to nothing but a bunch of anti christian, sadistic and immoral monsters and mad men i think not nor shoud you 1 PETER 1:3-4
GG what OTHERE rule of faith is there, mans,or the popes or the gospel according to the RCC,whitch comes out of the heart of man and we know what GOD says comes out of mans heart tell us what tradition the apostles wrote about ref the thief,as JESUS IS GOD,then the thief WAS,going to be in heaven with HIM,even a little child in a sunday school could tell you that i see the jesus you put your hope in is not the same JESUS of the bible i believe in,yours has to keep paying for your sins,MINE only had to pay ONCE read heb 9/10 but pray for the HOLY SPIRIT to OPEN your understanding first. if your hoping to get out of this purgatory,can you tell us when the first pope got out ,and what and how much it cost,and who paid for it. you might find the rich man in hell,had concern for his brothers not love,if it was love he had, surly it would be for GOD,then he could have told GOD,he loved HIM and got out seems to me you are one of those that the gospel is hid from,as it says in 2 cor 4:3-4 ref OC again,he didn't murder anyone for their faith,it was a rebellion against the state. Hell must be full of them infalible popes, for the murders they have commited on people for their faith in JESUS and the scriptures. HEB 10:29
GG: In light of the doctrine of justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), where Jesus bore all of our sins, purgatory would seem to have no theologically justifiable right to exist. But the Bible alone is not appealed to by Catholic theologians in support of Purgatory. By far, the main support for Purgatory is found in the Catholic doctrine of Sacred Tradition. Nevertheless, what does the Bible say about justification, punishment, and our sins?
Ezra: I want you to prove "any" of the things in your last post. With pictures, quotes from secular sources,(not your extremist Catholic haters), but something that constitutes proof. Otherwise, you are full of beans.
PS.- Apocrypha means "hidden writings" apposed to your writings which are "pseudopigrapha".
Those verses from Maccabees are from the Apocrypha. Apocrypha means "uninspired."
The Catholic church has banned the Bible, a book which many claims to be a Catholic work.
Paul was not a Catholic, and neither was Peter. His grave is not even in Rome. He pastored a church far from Rome. Rome murdered the Apostles, the Bible translators, and continues to murder and belittle people who stand alone on God's Word.
The Bible says a lot of things about a lot of things. NOWHERE does it say that the Bible is the "ONLY" (to the exclusion of any other) rule of faith. The only Tradition Christ was against was tradition that nullified God's Law. Holy Tradition is based on the spoken truth of Christ as given to the Apostles. Hence, Holy Tradition cannot contradict the Scriptures.
Purgatory Verses: 2 Maccabees 39-(why pray for people if they are in Hell. Therefore they are not in Hell.) Matt 5:22-26 also Matt 18:21-35 -(how can Jesus release you from Hell. Hell is forever. Hence, he is not talking about Hell.) Matt 12:32 -(Jesus says you can be forgiven in this age, or after this age.) John 20:17 (Jesus told the "Good thief" today you will with me in paradice, but tells Mary that he has not yet ascended to his father. Impling a third place besides heaven and hell.) Luke16: 24-31 -(if the "Rich Man" is in hell, then God is absent from his soul. But, the man shows love for his brothers, hence God, who is love, still lives within him)
Regardless, whether OC or Arnald, murderers are murderers. Murderers can't get into Heaven. Their examples should be abhorred not pointed to with pride.
CONT; ref the lord protector O C,it was custom in those days, if a city that didn't surrender,when attact,every one died,but these so called woman n children had the opportunity,but decided to stay with their mercenary soldiers. in 1208 pope innocent 111(a misnomer if ever there was one)had a crusade against the godly albigenians,who denied the dogmas of the RCC. the town of beziers was the first to fall,and the monk Arnald(leader of this murderous crucade)reported to the pope" , today, your holyness ,twenty thousand citizens were put to death regardless of age or sex. at least O C give them a chance to live,not like all those devil inspired popes. told you, if you want to quote irish or british history, make sure it dosn't come from those irish fairies
GG Holy scripture contains all that is necesary for salvation:ALL SCRIPTURE is given BY insperation of GOD,and is profitable for DOCTRINE,for REPROOF,for CORRECTION,for INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS,that the man of GOD may be PERFECT,THROUGHLY furnised unto ALL good works.2 tim 3:16-17 The LAW of the LORD is PERFECT,(CAN'T ADD ON TO IT)converting the SOUL.(psa 19:7) to the LAW and to the testimony;if they speak not according to this word,it is because there is no LIGHT in THEM(RCs) THY WORD IS TRUTH,(john 17:17)also read (mark 7this just about proves SOLA SCRIPTURA,and MATT 15:7-9 does away with the traditions of the RCC. i ask again why would CHRIST want to build his church on satan(matt 16:23)maybe if you read luke 22:31-34 it might enlighten you. the authority of keys and power in matt 16:19 he gave to all believers in matt 18:18-19 pEter is fallible thats why paul confronted him in galations 2:11(so all the popes are falable to) if pergatory is in the bible give us the verse why is the bible silent on those othere things,indulgences(CHRIST paid once for all)confession(i can go stright to god through CHRIST)rosery(vain babalings)mass(CHRIST PAID ONE SACRIFICE)BAPTISM(REPENT AND BE BAPTISED) BRING ON THE OTHERE THINGS AND WE WILL HAVE A LOOK. CONT;
Part2: 9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). [in Matt 16:18, Jesus is the Builder, using Peter as the rock. He changes his name to show a change in mission] 10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). [There is only one mediator for Christ's mission of Redeemption, which is accomplished. Anyone can mediate between me and Christ] 11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). [It says married only once. Can a Pastor be single?] 12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27). [It isn't] 13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26). [It doesn't] 14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church? [Those things come under the heading of Matt 16:19. The RCC can make laws that Heaven will stand behind]
The full Bible (with the Deuts) is a Catholic book. We gathered the text. We decided what was inspired and what wasn't. You got your version from us and proceeded to drop some of Gods Word.
Only God is my King, but the Pope is his representative on earth.
Ezra: The Bible in its full form (with the Deuts) does not teach: 1-Sola Scriptura 2-Sola Fide 3-that Faith can live without works
1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6). [it warns not to follow the example of the pharisees] 2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28). [Because Mary isn't God] 3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). [it says a holy priesthood, but not a priest according to Melchezidek like Jesus is] 4. Why does it condemn the observance of special holy days? (Gal. 4:9-11). [you mean special "Jewish Holy days", we aren't Jewish anymore] 5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2). [Because they are. Saint means holy one] 6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5). [only God is worshipped] 7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12). [It doesn't] 8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9). [It doesn't. St Paul is our father in the faith (1 Cor: 4:14-15) 9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11) (contin. in part2)
cont ref our lord protector most of those he killed were mercenary soldiers who would not give themselves up. like i have said before don't listen to those popish irish lies,you would be better to read about the millions that the popes had murdered for reading the bible,and not believing in the mass and their traditions btw what ever those deuts your on about,are they missing from the othere bibles that rome say you can read i GG think you are one of those the bible talks about in colossians2:8 im of to sleep the sleep of the rightious now, but will leave you with these verses2 john 10-11
GG exactly you have no quotes cause there is none,i wish you would give us just one quote frome the bible for mary as queen of heaven your right about one thing,it is the belief of MAN not GOD,JESUS OR THE APOSTLES, thats why its not in the bible we have the same authority as the early church, whenever the apostles said anything they serched the scriptures daily to see if he was right(act 17:20) i can only claim the authority of scripture whitch is GOD given(2 tim 3:16-17) just had a look in the douay new test(r c one)matt 13:55-56 seems you must be reading a version that is corrupted, douay says HE had brothers n sisters,think GG you need to go to an R C C with a douay bible in it as for making false statements just consider the tripe you said about mary, when there is no authority in scripture for it/ as for your church fathers\pope stephen V11(896-7 AD)dug up his predecessor,pope formosus(891-6)and tried him,don't want to wast my time but have a look at the lives of sergius 111/john X11/benedict v /benedict 1X /sixtus 1Vi can go on n on,there is so much others have writen books about them :nod cont
1. Why does it condemn clerical dress? (Matt. 23:5-6). 2. Why does it teach against the adoration of Mary? (Luke 11:27-28). 3. Why does it show that all Christians are priests? (1 Pet. 2:5,9). 4. Why does it condemn the observance of special holy days? (Gal. 4:9-11). 5. Why does it teach that all Christians are saints? (1 Cor. 1:2). 6. Why does it condemn the making and adoration of images? (Ex. 20:4-5). 7. Why does it teach that baptism is immersion instead of pouring? (Col. 2:12). 8. Why does it forbid us to address religious leaders as "father"? (Matt. 23:9). 9. Why does it teach that Christ is the only foundation and not the apostle Peter? (1 Cor. 3:11). 10. Why does it teach that there is one mediator instead of many? (1 Tim. 2:5). 11. Why does it teach that a bishop must be a married man? (1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5). 12. Why is it opposed to the primacy of Peter? (Luke 22:24-27). 13. Why does it oppose the idea of purgatory? (Luke 16:26). 14. Why is it completely silent about infant baptism, indulgences, confession to priests, the rosary, the mass, and many other things in the Catholic Church?
Albert: I have no biblical quotes that you would believe. Please note that you haven't believed any that I've given you so far. But I will say this: God gave Jesus Authority, therefore if it pleased him, he could make Eve Queen of Heaven, but he didn't. As the worlds only perfect Jew, he has honored his mother with that position. This is an early Christian belief going back to the men who replaced the Apostles as Bishops and priests. Your system of belief is about 1500 years too late to claim the same Authority. I am not surprised at what "YOU BELIEVE" your bible teaches regarding the pseudo-children of Mary. Furthermore, I don't know about morals in NI, but in the USA a person must realize a statement to be false for it to be a lie. I don't know of any lie of mine, you however, are a different story. Perhaps you should consider going to church every day? Also, not only is 'Adding' to Gods word a sin, which I deny we do, but 'taking away' from the word is too. Which your fellows did when they threw out the Deuts and changed the Bible. PS- The Church Fathers were never accused of the crimes you mentioned, but a great churchman like Oliver Cromwell earned the title of "Butcher of Ireland".
GG just a few more thoughts on what you said about solomon. as he had many step mothers also,they should by your reconing be given a throne to,better still,should eve not be beside the LORD as she IS the mother of ALL,the LORD also said when someone nentioned his mother and brethern "who is my mother? and who are my brethern?"then stretching forth his hand toward his deciples,said "behold my mother and my brethern! for whosoever shall do the will of my father whitch is in heaven,the same is my brother,and sister,and MOTHER(matt 12:46-50)so anyone that does the will of GOD is on the same level of mary. also can you give us the scripture that says mary was a perpetual vergin my version of the bible says that mary had at least five(5)other children pos (7) Matt 13:55(why no thrones for them also) my bible says that any thing that maketh a lie shall not enter heaven,this must mean all those who believe the popish lies about mary REV 21:27
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Dr. Alan Cairns | 8/3/2009
this just about proves SOLA SCRIPTURA,and MATT 15:7-9 does away with the traditions of the RCC.
