Lurker wrote: Hey Chris, If I'm not mistaken, brother US has pointed out this holier than thou accusatory spirit of sc's in the past. I've seen it on display many times but just ignored it wondering what's at the root of it. The only thing I can say is it isn't of God. Contrast that with sister B.'s related comment in another thread. She made a biblical case for her convictions but also granted freedom of conscience to any who may not hold her convictions. No accusatory spirit. That I can respect because I sense it comes from a spirit of Godly love. Anyway, thought I'd chime in as us "lust filled scumbags" gotta stand up for each other.
I'm guessing she's a men hating feminist. Which would also explain why she wants to remain sexless because she doesn't want men telling her that she has no business speaking about certain pastoral issues etc That's my 2 cents worth.
John UK wrote: Eve also did not have a sin nature, but was tempted to sin.
Christ is one person with two natures, a Divine nature, as God; and a human nature as man.
"Could Jesus have sinned in his humanity while being God in the flesh. We need to understand that he was one person. If his humanity was separate it could have willed to do just as Adam did... The humanity of Christ could never be separate from or unsupported from His deity. With Adam there was only one nature with Christ he was supported by and anointed by deity as the Son of God."
"In our fallen humanity we cannot act apart from our nature. Jesus however did not have the sin nature that we have. He was free to act perfectly in all situations. He acted upon his sinless nature obeying another's will, that of his Father. He was not able to go against God's will because He did not have the nature of sin to have that possibility. He knew no sin (2 Cor.5:21) ... He came like a man (Rom.8:3) looking like anyone else yet without the sinful nature, there was nothing of himself on the outside that attracted people. As Jesus took upon himself another nature of humanity it did not have the indwelling of sin..."
John UK wrote: Of course it is Frank. This is all about law. This is about the will of God. It is all about obedience or disobedience. In order to our salvation, Christ had to obey, and he had to obey AS A MAN. Think about it. He had to become a MAN because it was a man that had sinned. The man sinned, a perfect man had to die as a substitute. Our Lord had a huge job of work to do in order to be a perfect man. Right from birth he had to keep the law. Joseph and his mother had to keep the law in regard to the sacrifices at birth. If the devil had successfully kept them from offering at the temple, there would have been sin involved in the life of Jesus. He came from heaven as the perfect Spirit, but his human life had to be lived. It was not a foregone conclusion that he would succeed. This is no theological exercise to debate over; it is crucial, as I have explained, for our justification. Sins are by commission or omission, don't forget.
Christ did not have a sin nature so how could he be tempted to sin?
Grace wrote: "13For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." -Romans 2:13 The "doers of the law shall be" __________ ?
"In order for men, who are sinners, to have eternal life the guilt and penalty of sin must be removed. In addition, men must have a perfect and perpetual record of obedience to Godâ€™s law. When these two things are accomplished men can be justified or declared righteous before God."
Can you remove the guilt and penalty of sin? Can you keep the law perfectly in thought, word and deed "constantly, without the least failure in matter or manner of obedience, such shall live in them and by them; the language of the law is, do this and live; because this is what God commands?" If so then you will be justified. If not then what?
Didact "Only the elect of God are justified"
Mike "Justified by election?"
He didnâ€™t say justified by election, he said the elect are justified which they are and anyone reading the post should be charitable and give him the benefit of the doubt that he means the elect of God are justified by faith.