Dopey wrote:
I am feeling a lot better, but a little tired.

IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST YOU ARE COMMANDED TO LEAVE THAT BODY! NOW! NEVER TO ENTER AGAIN! GO TO WHERE JESUS SENDS YOU! GO!

Now David it is important at this point to also repent and renounce and confess to the Lord of every specific sin of satanism, spiritism, throw out all music that isn't specifically worship music such as hymns. You must distance yourself from your satanic music, this is important.

Any mysticism, wicca, D&D, throw out your dispensation junk too. Renounce it all, be specific. Be thorough! Stay at it, let the Lord show you every corner!

Praise God, begin to worship Him and thank Him!

Our sin as those thorns crammed into His head, should the scepter with which He rules be a reed they beat Him on the head with and spit on Him. Then He was led out and crucified for our sin.

Mocking, Mocking, Mocking the devil is a mocker. He will dig at you using something dear to you, He knows full well what should cause you to rise in anger. He digs up your pet peeve, your fears, your doubts and sins and spits them in your face.

Christ was filled with Love and He let them (us) do this for you. But it was our hatred of Him, our idolatry, our thefts, our lies, our lust our adulteries, our fornication, our hatred, our murder, our blasphemy and covetousness we are fully guilty of committing, and eternally judged by, for which He was also mocked by the devil. Christ shed His own blood.

John UK wrote:
As for me, I don't even HAVE Christmas, let alone a merry one.
But in Jesus is fulness of joy.

Dopey's death wish/curse would be a blessing

Dopey you missed something in your post

Dopey wrote:
I am aware of three different ways the Lord Jesus Christ responded to questions:

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Example of combining these verses

IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST COME OUT OF HIM AND GO TO WHERE JESUS SENDS YOU DEMON!!!

Saying it was you someone said that to, they could also say “go away Dopey” and expect to hear from David in his right mind next.

Phoebe wrote:
No. I will not answer your question West Coaster.
The rapture is of no interest to me. What is the rapture to you who may die tomorrow?

I don't blame you for not reading anything I wrote. But let me try to be clear one more time.

I didn't mention the rapture in context of my belief in the placement of the rapture. A Rapture will happen it's in the Bible.

My question is "how can anyone be saved without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit"
Answer: they can't.
Indwelling of the Holy Spirit is part of Salvation. Therefore the Holy Spirit has to be present during the tribulation still saving those who are saved then. Classic Dispensationalism is false.

Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Phoebe wrote:
How were Old Testament Hebrews saved?

Salvation has always been by Grace through Faith,
I know you appreciate context so please take the time to consider Eph 2 and while there is much needed reading there, I would like to offer this pause,
Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

I would also offer Hebrews 11 for your consideration, with these pauses
Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

There is no Salvation possible without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit,
Dispensationalism teaches many will be saved without the Holy Spirit being even on the earth. This LIE denies the Christ who saves us, It is a damnable heresy! 2 Peter look it up.

Jack Van Impe is a (Jesuit inspired or literal) PROVEN false prophet!!!
When Dec 21 comes and goes, and no rapture has happened he will slip around the date set by himself again. He has set a date of 2019 for Christ’s return, Van Impe is a false prophet!
Dispensationalism was spawned from the Bible hating Jesuit [URL=http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_version_corrupt_methodically.html]]]J.N Darby[/URL], spread by [URL=http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/darby_scofield_day_christ.html]]]Scofield and others[/URL], including IRONSIDE.

I have to leave again for awhile. I know you are considering these things, and I know that this is a hard thing to consider. At least it was for me for awhile.

In my case, I have a slew of false teaching that has been or is still in need of correction. But... Clinging to what I do know of a certainty... is peeling away the stuff that can't compare.
Meaning;
Salvation is by Faith alone in Christ alone and the Indwelling of God the Holy Spirit is a certainty at salvation. Therefore it's impossible to be saved at anytime without the Triune God. Especially going forward into tougher times than now, such as "the great tribulation".

Dopey wrote:
The load that people put on me since I returned this year is so incredible that if the Lord Jesus Christ Who is God wasn't my savior holding me up, I would have collapsed a long time ago.

1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The question is the one that John UK repeated for me at 6/19/12 10:29 AM

I'm asking this, because I want you to be snatched away to His Glorious Light, as I was, after 25+ years of believing in Classic Dispensationalism.

Dopey wrote:
1. Corinthians 12:3 KJV
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
That's one of the ways revealed in the New Testament.
2. "by the blood of Christ" is one of the ways revealed in the Old Testament. By the "Father" and the "Holy Spirit" are two others. A fourth way is the written Word of God.
3 By their genuine faith in God counted by God as rightousness.
Galatians 3:6 KJV
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

1 John 4:2-3 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

John for Jesus wrote:
You have inserted that phrase out of desperation, I guess.

...some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

(II Peter 3:16)

Now, when are you going to do a study yourself?

John for Jesus wrote:
...WEST COAST READER...Yes I'm looking at...

John UK wrote:
It is a good thing to focus on the object of faith rather than faith itself.
I trust Christ, and I certainly do not trust my believing, or attempts to believe.

Therefore, “faith itself” is a gift from by and through God/Christ/HolySpirit.

John for Jesus wrote:
Also, as a general rule, it is good to look for other places in the Bible that talk about the gift of God. Nowhere else is faith mentioned as the gift of God.

BY HIM do believe -- Gift!
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. (1Pe 1:21)

“delivered unto” came from somewhere
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
(Jud 1:3)

I'll stop here.

John for Jesus wrote:
Also, as a general rule, it is good to look for other places in the Bible that talk about the gift of God. Nowhere else is faith mentioned as the gift of God.

His decision His calling He fulfills His pleasure His goodness His work of faith (a gift)
Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: (2Th 1:11)

John for Jesus wrote:
Also, as a general rule, it is good to look for other places in the Bible that talk about the gift of God. Nowhere else is faith mentioned as the gift of God.

Eph 2:8 has been discussed so I don’t need to list it again, but it would be more evidence faith is indeed a gift of God.

Paul knows where Peace Love and Faith comes from
Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
(Eph 6:23)

Not mine, but His (didn’t have it couldn’t earn it... gift)
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
(Php 3:9)

west coast reader wrote:
and if you are of a mind and ability to hide it in your heart, do so.

So I was thinking of my situation, and because I addressed you, you would probably naturally think I was talking to you, and it might appear that I was questioning your ability to memorize, and I wouldn't know at all one way or the other if you were a steel trap at memory or not.

I should stop replying to anything, I just don't make sense. sorry if it offended you, I sure didn't mean to.

great advice wrote:
Mike. Get a copy of the Institutes of Christian Religion. That will help you get over it.

First you have to pick a translation of the Institutes. Then you have to pick a camp. One camp is very sure that Calvin didn't believe or teach that the Bible was/is infallible. I picked wrong and gave up at that point.

[URL=http://worldwide-classroom.com/courses/info/ch523/]]]World Wide Classroom David Calhoun[/URL]

John for Jesus wrote:
Also, as a general rule, it is good to look for other places in the Bible that talk about the gift of God. Nowhere else is faith mentioned as the gift of God.

Speaking of gifts...
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; (Rom 12:6)

Faith OF Jesus --we have believed in Jesus, faith Of Christ. (notice the “word sandwich” faith starts and ends with Christ!)
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Gal 2:16)

John for Jesus wrote:
Also, as a general rule, it is good to look for other places in the Bible that talk about the gift of God. Nowhere else is faith mentioned as the gift of God.

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
(Rom 3:23-30)

John for Jesus wrote:
Also, as a general rule, it is good to look for other places in the Bible that talk about the gift of God. Nowhere else is faith mentioned as the gift of God.

Faith is how the Holy Ghost purifies us
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Act 15:8-9)