JY, what does God say about false teachers to believers
I Timothy 6:5 (exhortation starts in verse 3)"...from such withdraw thyself" Withdraw is defined as to remove, to desist, same word when Satan departed from Christ after the three listed temptations, he clearly LEFT Him.
Romans 16:17 "...avoid them"
Ephesians 5:11 "have NO fellowship with..."
II Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come OUT from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord..."
II Corinthians 6:15 "...what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?"
What did Paul want done with false teachers (like the RCC)
Galatians 5:12 "I would they were even cut off..."
You admit they teach false doctrine, yet you stay in the RCC and do things they teach as the way to eternal life (partake in mass, go to their assembly, want RCC marriage, baptize infants, etc) You are constantly defending them here.
I John 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we KEEP his commandments, he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Until the genuineness of your "conversion" is proved by your obedience the Scriptures (so please note your argument is not with me or my opinion)then there is no reason for you to think your profession is true.
s c wrote: Thank you for that Ladybug but that is dated a year ago. I think that we will still have to wait and see.
I think that ladybug is making a great point here sc. The statement, as you correctly pointed out is one year old. The testimony we have that Trump recently "accepted" Christ as his Lord and Savior is a hearsay account by James Dobson from a unidentified third party. What we don't have is Trump saying, I realize that I was a guilty sinner on the way to hell for offending a holy God, I saw my only hope was in the mercy of God offered me in the blood of my Lord Jesus Christ. (or something to that affect) I know you are big, rightly so, about fruits of repentance. I find it is interesting that this is now several days after the Dobson statement and Trump has not address it. Trump usually does not make stands purely for political reasons. He didn't need a "conversion" to get the so called evangelical vote. What he needs to sway is the conservative vote. I think this whole thing will just die off as a story and become yesterday's news.
MS, alas, has it right, the lemmings will follow. Carter, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all claim to be Christians, and we all know how that worked out.
Dear sister ladybug, first I always appreciate your zeal for the truth of salvation and emphasis that it is the work of God. We all need to make sure we want God to receive the glory in this and all other areas of our life and testimony. Just to be clear, and I know you want to be, it is not give the gospel and then tell the sinner, hope God gives you the needed faith and repentance have a good day. God indeed is the one who grants repentance and faith, God alone can open the blinded eyes of lost and quicken them. Yet you find throughout the New Testament a call to sinners to repent with no accompanying theological discussion of soteriology. Jesus Himself said He came to call sinners to repentance and told them that they must do so or perish without a discourse on Ordo salutis. We understand it is not in man that wills but it is only because we are on the other side of the equation. We still should tell people to seek the Lord while He may be found knowing without the work of the Holy Spirit, it will not happen. We can only plant and water, God must give the increase. Thank God when the disciples asked who then can be saved, our Lord said with men it is impossible but God all things are possible. Praise Him for His grace and mercy. God bless you sister.
pennelope wrote: Wayfarer and Unprofitable, I'll leave you two to work out your contradictory views.... dispensationalism: A -has no power B - ran the military industrial complex for 60 yrs
Dear sister pennelope, hope you are doing well. I hope your child is doing better. I believe you would do well to listen to Mike from New York's voice of reason and stop following websites that misinform you by twisting facts.
Consider the testimony of the average born-again, redeemed by the blood of Christ believer.
I was a hell-bound, hell-deserving lost sinner but God in His mercy and grace reached down and saved my soul, He opened my blinded eyes and brought me up out of a terrible pit and planted my feet on the rock of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am not perfect, but by the grace of God I am not what I was, old things passed away and all things have become new. I want to love, honor, obey, and glorify my Lord and desire to see His image implanted deep within me. My longing is now for that which is eternal and this world is my passage not possession. I can't thank God enough for what He has done for an undeserving wretch like me.
Consider John Y's "testimony"
*I* came down to an altar and *I* embraced Jesus as the only way to heaven. My life, well it changed, but only in my head. *I* decided that *I* could still go on in the way I was before *I* embraced Jesus as the only way to heaven and what *I* did was nobody's business. *I* can't wait to make the wealth of this world my portion and *I'll* give God what *I* think is His due by having someone else give an altar call at the end of county music (which we all know honors God )concert.
Tater wrote: All these so called Christian leaders are being exposed by this election. Even a child could tell you that Trump is a bad person to put your support behind. But for these leaders to use the weak excuse of "we are all sinners, there is no perfect candidate" shows these people care more for comfort and security than for the Word of God. They have compromised themselves by making excuses to vote for this man. He is a prideful unrepentant sinner who boast about not asking for forgiveness. The same kind of pride that caused God to strike dead King Herod. God is going to give this country exactly what it is a asking for and that is scary.
Not attempting to go into whether or not you should vote for Trump nor am I endorsing Graham and the so called Christian leaders.
Just looking at your statement in particular and we could add 1517's (who it is great to see posting again, glad to see) and Norm's. So, any could respond.
What election have we voted in where the choice was between a godly person and an unregenerate? When has it ever NOT been the "lesser of two evils" when it comes to the character of the candidates?
John Y, we have previously put up a rather orthodox statement of faith from the Mormon website. Obviously those in Matthew 7 called Jesus Lord and did many things in His name. RCC, regardless of their creed, teaches salvation through sacraments not Christ. Paul said this is anathema. John said don't even wish them Godspeed. You say, go to their "worship" services and partake in their blasphemous rituals. You even defend this church which is the enemy of our precious Lord Jesus Christ. It is obvious to all but you, you are still partaking in the RCC road to salvation. (further evidenced by how you say you will address the "sacrament" of marriage and have your children sprinkled by a RCC priest)
Then we are to believe that you do all this for over a quarter of a century since your alleged conversion but you have the Spirit of God indwelling you? What fellowship has Christ with Belial, NONE!! There were no denominations or church for that matter when Christ walked this earth, so your argument is bogus. What Christ did say through the apostle John is that he that says he knows Him and keeps not His commandments is a liar. He says His sheep FOLLOW Him. If you loved God more than the RCC you would have left it decades ago. Can't serve 2 masters.
pennelpe wrote: . dispensationalists outsource this "covenant".... through military industrilal complexes and multi trillion dollar contracts, course there's loss of life too, but the land must be had at every cost, is what they say.
It is obvious B Warely is not concerned with the truth but just wants to peddle is own doctrinal anomaly into this and other threads. It is clearly off topic and I am sorry I engaged him at all. This story is a repeat from one done in May. Maybe it would be good if the moderators shut it down.
Paul and Silas said Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and spoke the word of the Lord to him, their response was not "nothing, you are incapable of doing anything because you can't discern spiritual truth"
the Jews in Acts 2 said, what shall *we* do?
Peter said Repent and he testified and exhorted them to save yourselves from this untoward generation (verse 40)He did not say, Stand still and see the salvation of the Lord, you can't do anything.
In Acts 14:15 Paul told the Iconiums we preach unto you that *you* should turn from these vanities unto God
Paul understood that obeying Christ command to him (Acts 26:16-18) was to show sinners that they should repent and turn to God and do works meet for repentance.
You border on blasphemy when you say the Lord Jesus was wrong to tell the Galileans to repent or perish, are you saying God didn't know what He was doing or what man was capable of?
No one is denying that salvation is the work of God or that He must open the sinners blinded eyes to the truth, but to say the sinner does nothing is twisting the Scriptures.
"He shall save them FROM their sin", to continue in the sin of being a part of a false blasphemous religious system shows John Y salvation to be bog
penned wrote: if I was to list the debauchery and taking of innocent life on this land, indeed, a flag upside in distress would be an appropriate response.
THE UNITED STATES FLAG CODE Title 4, Chapter 1 Â§ 8(a)The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a *signal* of dire distress in instances of *extreme danger* to life or property.
We are in distress (defined as extreme anxiety, sorrow, or pain) about our own sins and the sins of others. (Psalm 119:136) The direction our nation is and has been going is cause of grief to our lives and hearts. It is not however within the definition of why you would fly the flag upside down per the flag code. If one hates our country (perfectly within their right) because of all the evils done here, then leave and find your utopia somewhere else instead of being a freeloader off the good benefits you enjoy here. There were many evils in the land of Israel in the Old Testament days, there was never a command by God telling his prophets or leaders to leave the nation. He removed the nation from the land for their sins, but they retained their national identity as seen in Esther, Ezra, Daniel, and Nehemiah.