John Yurich USA wrote: The Bible states that salvation is by Justification By Faith Alone which means trust in Jesus alone for salvation. And then you have the audacity to state that I don't know what is required for salvation? I have a Nephew and Niece In-Law from Tulare, California who are Pentecostals who attend First Church of God of Tulare, California and they were also saved during an Altar Call. And First Church of God of Tulare, California has Altar Calls to get individuals saved.
So, John Yurich, am I understanding you correctly, the way a person lives has nothing to do with whether or not they are heaven bound? Everything is wrapped up in a profession of faith. (II Peter 2:20-21 Matthew 13:24-30)
What???! More economic bad news? Bush left office nearly 5 years ago and he is still having negative effects on the economy, unbelievable.
Not only is the Republican record of corruption continuing to have a dilitorious effect on our nation (we need to elect more liberal democrats because they have such a righteous agenda), it is believed that the disastrous problems of the Obamacare website can be directly traced to the KJV!!!
B. Ross wrote: ... As for my commenting on this site, I will be leaving for a while. For being a Christian site, there is way too much disagreement going on. No one can agree on the simplest of matters. I will be sticking with those of like-minds for there is no edification being received here.
Guess he has not heard of iron sharpening iron.
Maybe I am missing something here, wasn't it HIS response that brought about the disagreement when he made a statement about TULIP?
I am glad the people who gave him his English version didn't share his non interest in what the Greek and Hebrew stated, his English version would be worthless.
If your still paying attention B. Ross, thanks for your input, sorry you felt no need to further explain your own positions as I sure it would generate questions and responses.
B. Ross wrote: What's wrong with Calvinism? 'T.U.L.I.P.' ' Total inability' - no one can come to Christ and trust him as Saviour unless he is foreordained. Jesus said in Jn 12:32, And I...will draw ALL men unto me. ...
B Ross, not really wanting to spend time defending TULIP, others will do that without me. But just trying to understand from where you are coming.
On limited atonement do you believe ALL the world will be saved?
On the verse you quoted about will draw ALL men (meaning Jews and Gentiles) have you LOOKED at the context?? If it means as you imply, EVERYBODY, why did John say 5 verses later..
"But although He had done so many signs before them, they DID NOT BELIEVE in Him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: ‚ÄúLord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?‚ÄĚTHEREFORE THEY COULD NOT BELIEVE, because Isaiah said again: ‚ÄúHE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HARDENED THEIR HEARTS, LEST THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES, LEST THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEARTS AND TURN,SO THAT I SHOULD HEAL THEM.‚ÄĚ (John 12:37-40)
John Yurich USA wrote: That is false that I don't inform individuals that the only way of salvation is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation. I tell individuals on other discussion forums that the only way of salvation ...
John Y, I must not be the great communicator as you seem to not answer my questions.
1. if a person was in the RCC and trying to bring others to salvation, what would happen to that individual once the church found out his activities??
2. Also, are you in your RCC church, not blogs, IN THE RCC you attend, telling the lost that they are being deceived by the RCC and need to be born again?
Remember it was you not I that brought up evangelizing Catholics within the church, you said nothing about blogs.
J4J, do you realize you live in a state that celebrates the birthday of Robert E Lee as a state holiday and closes the state offices in its commemoration?
I am sure you are aware that under the leadership of William Wilberforce just a few years before the War of Northern Aggression in John UK's country they had slavery outlawed They were seriously pondering joining the War between the States on the side of the South.
If the Civil War was only about slavery and not states rights, why did Lincoln not do the Emancipation Proclamation until England threatened to enter the war? Why not do it shortly after shots were fired at Fort Sumter?
People lived in a different era as far as Biblical teaching, slavery was justified from pulpits by Scripture.
I agree slavery is a horrible institution that is a regrettable part of U.S. history. But you need to remember that Abraham, Job, and patriarchs had slaves are were yet God blessed them in spite of it. I am NOT condoning slavery by that statement, Paul said care not for it and implied it is better to serve Christ as a freeman.
Lemme see, the LGBT group wants to silence his voice because it disagrees with theirs Then they have the audacity to say it is he who has a phobia? They say they just want acceptance and tolerance, but don't offer any in return? They say they don't want our morality forced down their throat but practise the opposite by forcing the morality of a few (about 2% of the population) on the rest of us? If their view is what " the majority of Americans support" then why worry about a lone voice in wilderness, do they think their position is that weak?
Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.' (KJV)
John Y, forgive me for being so persistent here, but you are the one that brought up the Bible.
1. What Bible verse, seeing you don't disregard the Bible, do you use to support your position of practicing a false way of salvation? (going to RCC and partaking in the sacraments, as you know, is RCC teaching for salvation)
2.What Bible verse do you use to support staying in a church that teaches false doctrine?
3.What Bible verse do you use to counter, "Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge." (Proverbs 19:27 KJV)?
this next one is key
4.What Bible verse do you use that says the way you live has NOTHING to do with whether or not you are heaven bound?
You can just label your answers with your Scripture verses 1,2,3,4.
Please don't answer with what you believe, but use the Bible. Thanks.
John Yurich USA wrote: Even if I were to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church I would not communicate with the minister about anything because it would not be any of his busines what my beliefs are. And I sure would not be involved in any church activities like men's group, etc. As important as church is church attendance/membership is totally superfluous to entering Heaven upon ones demise. Observer, Church attendance/membership is superfluous to entering Heaven upon ones demise because nowhere in the Bible is church attendance required for salvation.
I am disappointed you did not choose to answer my questions from my 12/18/13 11:17 AM post. Hopefully will hear from you
objective wrote: Think about it UPS. All that GOD reveals and records in Scripture is the term "Household" (Lets stick to God's Word alone) - ...
Thanks for your reply. First, I noticed you left out the part where I stated NEITHER DOES YOURS. So, if we are going to follow your admonition about sticking to God's Word alone, then we agree there are no verses that tell us that any infants were baptized But it does record that all who were baptized were believers! Glad we agree on that.
My immediate neighborhood is a cul-de-sac with 7 houses, none of them have any infants, but thanks for asking, I think.
The word "sacrament" comes from the Latin sacramentum,... however, there is no word nor even any general idea corresponding to "sacrament," nor does the earliest history of Christianity afford any trace of the application of the term to certain rites of the church.
Finally, you do seem to be heading the right direction, just making sure we are on same page. You are right, Baptist are not followers of Calvin or Calvinism, the Bible is our only rule of faith and practice!
John Yurich wrote: And how do you know that the Holy Spirit would not guide a Catholic who has become Born Again to remain in the Catholic Church to bring other Catholics to salvation? That is within the realm of possibility. ...
So, pray tell, if a person was in the RCC and trying to bring others to salvation, what would happen to that individual once the church found out his activities?? You certainly would have no hope that the message would be received by all who heard it. Also, are you in your RCC church, not blogs, IN THE RCC you attend, telling the lost that they are being deceived by the RCC and need to be born again?
John Yurich USA wrote: I don't disregard the Holy Bible. And if I am trusting in Jesus alone for salvation then I am Born Again and saved. Why would the Holy Spirit guide someone who is Born Again out of the RCC if church attendance/membership is superfluous to entering Heaven?
What Bible verse, seeing you don't disregard the Bible, do you use to support your position of practicing a false way of salvation? (going to RCC and partaking in the sacraments, as you know, is RCC teaching for salvation) What Bible verse do you use to support staying in a church that teaches false doctrine? What Bible verse do you use to counter, "Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge." (Proverbs 19:27 KJV)? What Bible verse do you use that says the way you live has NOTHING to do with whether or not you are heaven bound?
Observer wrote: I admire your patience UPS! Do you suppose he has any interest in learning any of this?
I John 1:5-2:1 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
It is the goal of every born again believer to mortify every known sin and to see no more fruit or root in his life. It is what we AIM at (..that ye sin not) but we will fight that good fight of faith until we are taken to heaven. No mortification, no possession of the Spirit, no salvation.
SteveR, we must consider the work of Sanctification. There is a reason it is called growth process. The Bible teaches all grow, it is a sign of life. (in this case spiritual life) The apostle Paul talked about the struggle between the Spirit and the flesh. He even acknowledge the things that he did want to do he ended up succumbing to. That is why John talked about walking in the light and walking in darkness. As one famous preacher said, it is direction not perfection when talking about growth in grace. When a person shows no change from his former lifestyle, no evidences of being born from above, then we must conclude them still dead in trespasses and sins. We have people involved in drunkenness and sexual immorality in I Corinthians, but we know they were redeemed because we see them sorrowing over their sin and being commended for what clearing they had from their sin. The Bible is clear, the Lord Jesus came to save us FROM all iniquity. Falling into sin condemns us not to everlasting destruction, if it does we are all doomed. If one refuses to repent and tenuously cling to and justify his sin for over 10 years.. "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." (Romans 8:13)
A sister who was saved from a life of alcoholism, due to hardships she is facing, goes to a bar and gets drunk. (something she had victory over before) On the way home she is killed in a car accident, does she end up in hell for her indiscretion?
A brother has an argument with his spouse. He says some angry words. Before they have a chance to kiss and make up, he dies of a sudden heart attack. Does he end up in hell for his actions?
A brother comes out to view the damage from the tornado at his house. He notes the house of his neighbor has very little damage and is a bit envious due to all the damage his house sustained. At that moment a tree limb falls upon his head and kills him. Is he now destine for hell?
These, and other examples could be given, are violations of the same Scriptures you are quoting to condemn to hell the one who commits murder.
I pretty sure you believe that all the sins of the believer were laid upon Christ, and we have more than one example in Scripture of those who committed murder being saved. Do you not think that the blood of Christ would also be sufficient for the sin of suicide?
That is an 'unprofitable' statement of UNtruth in your exegesis. As with your conviction that the 'servant' of Christ is quote unprofitable so do you blaspheme against God's Holy Writ. Please seek an alternative view. There are FIVE recorded "households" baptised in the NT. For the anti-infant Baptist to assume, presume and base his argument upon the thought that - ALL households were without infant life is - incredulous, unconvincing and at very least deceitful. To establish ones religion on such basis is heretical. Please pray hard on this Ups.
My "authoritative" source is the same as yours. My statement has no proof and NEITHER DOES YOURS. It is your opinion against mine as to the age of the people in the household. It matters not. The New Testament CLEARLY teaches that all who believed made a profession of faith in Christ, something an infant CANNOT do. You HAVE NO PROOF that ANY infants were baptized, I have the Bible showing that all who were baptized were believers. So, it is your word against God's Word, which one do you think I should believe?
But thanks for the admonition I do appreciate people praying for me
Mr. Clinton was impeached for obstruction of justice (guilty) tampering with a witness (guilty) and lying under oath (guilty) for which he lost he law license.
If you remember the libs gave President Bush a hard time for replacing 8 AG's. Clinton tried to cover up his involvement in criminal activity by replacing ALL AG's and making an appointment of a secretary to the Arkansas AG's office who closed the case that was under investigation against the Rose Law firm.
The liberals tried to make it out as if were a personal matter of indiscretion instead of breaking the law like he did. It would help Jim if you keep your facts straight.