SteveR wrote: Don't you think sc has a point? Don't Christians have some obligations in this issue? Maybe the unholy trinity can continue to patronize the NBA, but I can't watch. One might argue lots of companies now support sodomites, but the NBA went a step further. They are penalizing the attempt of NC to establish a moral standard, and cont watching NBA games just strengthens their persecution
my apologies, where did I state I watch or planned to watch or attend NBA games?
s c wrote: So...you would still watch the NBA if the sodomites were part and parcel to the game,or not? There is this double standard. Christians hate the sodomite/transgender agenda but they continue to support activities which encourage hetero immorality. There's no wonder that the lost sodomites are all the more confused.
Not desirous to waste your or other people's time with a discussion that will go nowhere. You may draw whatever misguided conclusions you wish. I am thankful that NC is taking the correct stand on the issue of men in women's facilities despite huge pressure to reverse their stance.
When I pray for our secular leaders (I Timothy 2:1,2), one of things I pray for is that they would make righteous laws that are a terror to evil (Romans 13:3) and a solace to good. These restrictions help us to live a peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. I have trouble expecting perfection out of the unsaved when I certainly don't have it my own life, much to my dismay.
s c wrote: U S,the reason that the "lgbt" agenda is so pervasive is because we dropped the ball a long time ago with our compromising ways. The NBA has what God deems as naked women as part of the equation. If we didn't protest them,why should we have ear when protesting the homos' acts? Do you see the double standard? If you don't, then I guess that you would be comfortable with homos as a regular part of the NBA as well. Sin is sin.
Sorry, butI don't agree with your premise, and when you start with a faulty premise you reach faulty conclusions. But thanks for your response.
Benji, appreciate your concern that we make no provision for the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof. My thoughts on your response if you would please.
Unless you have a really old tv, it has a v-chip in that controls what programs can be watched for the over the air users and tv providers also give you control on what can be watched without an override code. Children have far more access to wicked stuff on the internet (but you have no issue using it or you wouldn't be here) and yet you are trusting yourself and your "corrupt evil nature" and unsupervised kids in regards to the content one can view while on it. If you don't want tv in your place I honor your choice but it doesn't even begin to compare as to what can be accessed on the internet and all of us are using it.
Rom 6:12,13 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
should be our daily goal as we walk in the light. May we follow your advise and watch and pray that we enter not into temptation.
Thank you for your response, sc. I hesitate to write this. Your premise is flawed. Just because a person goes to or watches a NBA game doesn't mean they idolize it anymore than a person who has season passes to the Opera mean they idolize it or just because one is a philatelist does not mean they idolizes stamps.
This is no small thing the state is doing. Like most states and cities their budgets are tight. They are sticking to the stuff and losing millions of dollars (remember Indiana caved under similar pressure), hardly just doing that which is reasonable.
Churches in Iowa by the hundreds are being told they cannot follow their religious beliefs by the LBGT crowd, number under threat by the NBA, zero. Christians are losing their livelihood (bakers, florists, bed and breakfast inns, wedding chapels) by the scores to the LBGT crowd, number that lost it due to pressure from the NBA, zero.
You are losing track of the big picture, which many have stated. As I said, you are more than welcome to your inaccurate assessment, just know that that is what it is.
BWS wrote: Time to choose. Fortune 500 companies and professional sports and media organisations are all in full agreement and are opposed to Christians Who oppose homosexual Behavior
I agree we should stand against evil. But using your standard you run into a huge problem. According to the Corporate Equality Index which gives out scores for how companies favor LGBTQ policies (100% being a top score) you soon realize you live in a secular world. They say that 89% of employers they rated provide employment protections of the basis of sexual orientation and 87% on gender identity. High scores go out to almost everyone of the medical insurance providers (probably includes the one you use); your car manufacturer; your supermarket (it also includes almost all the companies that provide the products they sell); more than likely it includes your internet provider; your cellphone manufacturer and provider; the stores where you buy your clothing; your drugstore; where you buy your gas (not Exxon); the search engine you use; any hotel at which you stay; your credit card company; your bank; most government agencies with which you deal;your utility company; etc, etc, etc.
The realization is this world is not our home but we do live in it.
We live in a secular not a Christian society. Do you fault your town for being against theft? If someone broke into your place and stole your computer, would you be down on the local police because they also have places that sell liquor in your town and the same police would help them if someone broke in to their place of business and stole their computer? Were you aware that the pro football hall of fame is in Ohio? Did you know the current NBA champions make their home in Ohio?
Why do I ask? Because if you went to someplace to buy a dress, I am pretty sure you would appreciate it if the store had a policy to keep men out of the ladies restrooms and changing rooms, even though they are in Ohio. I would think you'd be glad for standards within our secular society when you can imagine what it would be like if they had none.
Whatever you wish, sc, it is your life to live. You come across as one who thinks people should get what you think they deserve. Aren't you glad we don't always get what we deserve? It just seems if we are going to be down on the evils in society, which we should be, then we also should be happy if we see a change for the better. (see I Kings 21:27-29)
Here we have a state (not Charlotte they already enacted a pro-transgender ordinance which the state law overturned) that is not succumbing to vast economic pressure (an all-star game would pour millions into the local economy) and we have people criticizing them?
The state is turning a deaf ear to pressure from the NBA (which people are saying is the right thing to do) but the posters don't agree with MS and others? Strange indeed.
sc, who is the "they" and "them" about whom you are speaking? If it is the NBA, sorry, then your post then makes no sense. Why would "they" be considered "moral fabric" by someone because they support "transgender rights" and pulled out of North Carolina for their all-star game? I would think that N.C. should be patted on the back for their so called bathroom bill, don't you?
NOSEY wrote: How anyone claiming to be converted and supposedly having the mind of Christ, can vote for man
Why think the ballot has more power than prayer and preaching the Gospel?
Enough with the sanctimony. No one here has ever thought that their hope lies in putting all their eggs in the political basket and hoping for a great outcome. You also appear to think that no one here believes in evangelism and prayer, except of course, you. You say you are from the USA, well then, time to wake up. We have a political process that is supposed to allow us to vote for people who believe in limited government. The most troublesome things that are being handed to us as a tough pill to swallow are coming via executive order or judicial fiat. If you don't want to participate in a process that God has allowed here, fine. The Cubans and Chinese also have no say so in their government and would probably relish the God given opportunity you have chosen to disdain.
John UK wrote: Me too, bro. One thing that amazing grace achieves in anyone's heart, is to bring him to understand that he is a wretch before God, condemned already, a rebel and an affront to God.
Thanks brother John UK
I read you might be moving to London
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I see words in her and Michelle's speech that would be uttered by thousands across our land if they were talking about what values they were taught by their parents when growing up. Particularly children of their age group.
Rodney K. wrote: The original title of "Amazing Grace" was "Faith's Review and Expectation." John Newton wrote it to accompany his New Year's Morning sermon (January 1, 1773). His text was: 1 Chronicles 17:16,17 "And David the king came and sat before the LORD, and said, Who am I, O LORD God, and what is mine house, that thou hast brought me hitherto? (17) And yet this was a small thing in thine eyes, O God; for thou hast also spoken of thy servant's house for a great while to come, and hast regarded me according to the estate of a man of high degree, O LORD God." You can find his sermon notes here . (Worth reading and pondering)
Thanks for the link brother Rodney
Been enriched by enjoying the songs of the redeemed since my last post. Praise God for His undeserved blessings!!
Tell you what, I am thankful with Mr. Newton for the amazing grace that saved a wretch like me!
s c wrote: I understand that "Amazing Grace" is not a contemporary song but,that it omits Jesus,the source of our grace,is much akin to CCM.
The Lord has promised good to me, His Word my hope secures; He will my Shield and Portion be, As long as life endures.
The earth shall soon dissolve like snow, The sun forbear to shine; But God, who called me here below, Will be forever mine.
John Newton mentions God in the song and it would be understood that the grace of God that brings salvation comes through Jesus Christ. The words, was blind but now I see, are found in John 9 by the blind from birth man as he was talking about Jesus. I don't believe that the song omits Jesus as the source of grace. At least that is the way I see it.
Christopher000 wrote: Good morning, Penny. I appreciate your passion on certain topics, but I read through the thread and don't understand the anger towards US. I think he's one of the most consistently friendly posters here, always being careful to fully explain himself and be kind while doing so. I usually wouldn't say anything, but he's one of the few who will speak up for others when appropriate, so I figured I would return it to him.
Thanks you Christopher for your more than gracious words. Appreciate you as a poster and think your explanation of me really fits thee. We all know this is Penny's passion, I don't think she meant any anger towards me, God bless.
penned wrote: is there a conscience searing going on here?? Who on God's green earth is there not Godly sorrow for this?
I am being consistent. I will tell you, just like I have shared before with others, Christians are not responsible for the actions of the unsaved. Yes, we try to be of those, "...that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof." By the grace of God, we mourn our own sins and lament our lack of love for One who was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities. We thank God that despite our weakness and lack of faith, His mercies are still new every morning and thank Him daily that He knows our frame and remembers that we are but dust and offers forgiveness.
It is one thing to encourage the brethren to avoid vaccinations it is quite another to make the false accusation that evangelicals are the greatest participants in the fetal body part trade. You are entitled to your opinion, you asked for a response, I am just letting you know, (not from anger or any guilt) I don't share your views and gave you reasons why. I trust you will respect that. God bless.
First, thanks to all for support and kind words, may God richly bless you this day for His glory. I am sure pennelope meant nothing demeaning or vindictive.
pennelope, out of deep respect, love, and appreciation for you I normally do not get into the discussions on these issues about which you are passionate. I know you will never see things the way I do and I will never see things the way you do, so my standard response is to just stay away and not post when these things come up. I probably shouldn't have jumped on this one but I know you have no way of showing that "evangelicals" are promoting vaccines and you know the vast majority of people who have their children vaccinated, whether saved or unsaved, have no knowledge of what is "taught" at the websites you frequent. Right or wrong they are just trusting what their doctors recommend, they are NOT promoting fetal body part trade. You also know that they current MMR vaccine that is made from a fetal cell line is from one that is over 50 years old and not part of the current Planned Parenthood issues on selling baby parts which is what this article addresses.
"Of the many lies told by anti-vaccination advocates, this is one of the worst, because it hits on a real moral issue. However, anyone with a modicum of training in biology will tell you that it is impossible for vaccines (or any other injected medicine) to contain human tissue. The reason is simple: if you are injected with anything containing tissue from another person, your body will immediately recognize it as an invader and begin attacking it. This immune response is often quite radical and can easily lead to death! This is why blood from a donor to a recipient must be carefully matched before the recipient can receive it. Thus, there is no human tissue of any kind in vaccines. Unfortunately, the anti-vaccination movement (and even some naive pro- life groups) will try to convince the uninformed that vaccines contain tissue from aborted babies and that abortions must be continually done to supply this tissue to the "evil" drug companies. This is, of course, a bald-faced lie. Unfortunately, this lie is particularly evil, in that it targets a person's morally correct view that abortion is murder."
1517 wrote: Dolores, As Christians, is there such a thing as a good "lesser evil"? When given a choice between two evils, as Spurgeon proclaimed, we are to choose neither. They are both EVIL choices. Besides, it is gross presumption to believe Trump is somehow better because he "says" he will do this or that.
Could you name one election where we are not choosing between the lesser of two evils?