s c wrote: Unprofitable,I only remarked on the pharmaceuticals,not the gms and the rest. Perhaps I should have qualified my reply by using the word "destroying" instead of "killing". It's very difficult to find many people in their middle ages plus who are not on many prescriptions. Whatever their length in years,they are ailing from all of the side effects from their pills which,sadly,are also a preferred thrill drug for the youth. I know many people who are prescribed drugs only to have to take other drugs to offset the side effects and problems caused by them.
thanks for your clarification, and I agree with your assessment about people on lots of prescription drugs. However I find it in senior citizens not so much in middle age people. That might just be the difference in the people with whom we interact. You are undoubtedly much younger than I. Thanks
If you change the baseline you get different results. The articles I pointed to don't say the U.S. would move to the top spot, they just acknowledged if all other countries in the list were basing their statistics on WHO standard, then the U.S. would move significantly up the list. You can't sit there and say that because Elmer makes 90% of his shots and pennned only 30% so Elmer must be a better shot. If you don't take into account that pennned is 30 feet out from the basket and Elmer is 5 feet away. The changing of what is the baseline skews the results.
If you have no problem with that and want to throw out anything that challenges your point of view, far be it from me to debate the point. It doesn't appear that either of you bothered to check the articles I cited. I asked an open question and I appreciate your answer pennned.
pennned wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/our-infant-mortality-rate-is-a-national-embarrassment/ Title: Our infant mortality rate is a national embarrassment US, no one is arguing that our older generations didn't benefit from improved sanitation. I posted WHO stats before, the more vaccines the higher the mortality rate was for children under 5? looked around at people at the grocery store lately? you should travel, you'd get a comparison. Back to topic: some of these statesmen are looking like lunatics and saying bizarre things, like they aren't even trying to look smart anymore.
It ends up that way when they are not using the same standards. The comparisons are skewed.
technology is not evil, it is just a tool. I can use a hammer for building or destroying, it is just a tool. There is nothing evil about technology. None of us would be posting here without it. The issue is always what comes out from the abundance of the heart. There is a reason the Bible states keep (garrison) your heart with all diligence for out of it are the issues of life.
Thanks for the great testimony Jessica, I remember days like that growing up. hope you are holding up ok.
Jim Lincoln wrote: What a refreshing change! one of the few instances that I heard from a leader of an organization, who admitted a mistake.
So when will Jim apologize to his pastor for misrepresenting his sermon on the inadequacy of immorality. Nowhere in the sermon is a condemnation of laws that promote morality (you like the ones against murder and theft). Nowhere in the sermon is a plea for legislatures not to pass laws that promote righteousness. (you know like laws that say if you embezzle money you have to pay it back). The main thrust of the sermon is being moral won't grant you entrance to heaven. A belief shared by the large majority of those who post here. I believe he pretty much let on he wasn't going to vote in the upcoming presidential election between Romney and Obama. But it certainly doesn't state what you imply that laws (as if they could be) should be morally neutral. That would be a refreshing change if we never saw the link again used out of context.
John Yurich USA wrote: 1.that church attendance/membership and the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation.
2.It just means that they worship Jesus as God.
1.then why do you continue to practice them like it does? Do you think salvation is a one time "decision" that has no personal effect on one's life? Do you not see it as a continuing process by which one is conformed to the image of Christ? How is attending a church that you admit has false doctrine helping you in living a life pleasing to God? What is more important pleasing John Yurich's comfort zone or pleasing Christ? The fact that you are comfortable living in disobedience to God commands about separation speaks volumes of the genuineness of your faith.
2.Some good quotes about worshiping Jesus as God
a. He is the Holy One of God b. He is the Christ, the son of the blessed One c. Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge d. Jesus is Jehovahâ€™s most precious Son
a. demon Luke 4:34 b. Caiaphas Mark 14:61 c Mormon statement of faith --http://tinyurl.com/pnykkp4 d JW statement of faith --http://tinyurl.com/qxxxa3y
Accurate statements about our Lord doesn't not make one a worshiper of the true Christ.
Follower wrote: Come on Lurker. What is a fool? Or, who is a fool? The fool says in his heart "there is no God." He is the one who talks to no one. Neither does he see anyone coming or going. He questions whether or not he has a brain because he has not seen it. But he suspects that others have brains. Lurker, do you or do you not have a brain??? Where's the evidence?
Brother Lurker is more than capable of answering for himself. I will assume Follower that you may not have been following for very long. If you click on the magnifying glass of the poster (i.e. John Yurich or even brother Lurker) you will understand why he asks John the question he does. I know we all have a tendency to jump in where angels fear to tread. But let me reassure you brother Lurker is worth his weight in gold to the thread and John Yurich needs to be shown the folly of his way before it is eternally too late.
I dunno MS, I would say they are extra-Biblical. Christians in the first century had different sects but not denominations. If I am new to a town and want to attend church, the denominational labels of the churches help to eliminate what I would know up front would be a bad choice. Now I admit that you really wouldn't know until you actually attended a service. But it would a much more difficult task if the choices were First Christian Church, 2nd Christian Church, Pine St. Christian church, etc. Just my thoughts, what do you think?
Oh and to give credit where credit is due, because I ran out of characters in my first post. The first two paragraphs were quotes from different wiki sites and the last paragraph before my comment was from the site that Mr. Rivero has.
Frank, thanks again for your kind and thoughtful remarks.
To borrow a modified Lurker line (used against me nonetheless), now I remember why I avoid posting on these types of stories, I normally just skip them but I stopped to take a look. (my bad) I don't know why I am said to be angry for advising that the site is not a great source. According to my research there is at least 2 times the guy has been caught lying to back up his claims about conspiracies he was putting forth. This is the internet, you can't even guarantee the pictures he used are what he says they are. If pennned and Elmer want to use the site and give it credibility fine, I was just giving my opinion of what I saw, it is just that, my opinion, no anger was intended or felt.
What Really Happened (tagline "Putting America First, Second, And Third!") is a website that purports to tell you (what else?) "what really happened." They promote all sorts of conspiracy theories, especially 9/11 conspiracy theories, Jewish banker conspiracies, the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory, global warming conspiracy theories, and various types of pseudohistory and survivalism. Interestingly, they have sections debunking creationism and birtherism (though they put their own spin on it The website's proprietor, Michael Rivero
Michael Rivero (born 29 August 1952) is a radio show host in the alternative media and an anti-Zionist activist from the United States. Born in Boston, Massachusetts, Rivero claims to have worked for NASA and was a child actor for a time, he also claims to have worked in Hollywood.
a line from the site--So here is the deal. Some of the people walking around Palestine, Gaza, and the West Bank are blood relatives of Jesus. Distant blood relatives, but still blood relatives. Given 2000 years, it is possible that the vast majority of present day Palestinians are remote relatives of Jesus.
Brother John UK, I have no desire to be a hindrance in this discussion. Brother Lurker is a wise student of the Word from whom we can all learn. My apologies for being an interruption in your discourse, so that we can all learn and that I don't deter the good brother from commenting I am bowing out of any further comments on this thread. God bless
Jim Lincoln wrote: I'm relieved, I thought Rudolph Murdock had bought TIME! You know he's the owner of the Wall St. Journal, and isn't known as a liberal.
better do a tad more research on that one Jim, he endorsed Hillary for Senate and BHO for president (1st term) Also, the WSJ is not a conservative paper, they have a conservative editorial board but the paper runs slightly left of center. Murdoch is all over the place politically. Mainly liberal associations.
Time is your usual left leaning publication that few people read.
Brother Lurker, the apostle James quotes from Amos to show that God would call the Gentiles into His fold, something the Jews would have trouble grasping (see Acts 10:45; 11:3,17,18).
Amos was a prophet to Israelites who lived in his day. (see Amos 1:1) God said (Amos 9:8) His eyes were on the sinful kingdom (the house of Jacob) He would sift Israel (v9) that they may possess the remnant of Edom and of the Gentiles which are called by My name. He then states that the plowman shall over take the reaper, the treader of grapes the sower of seed and the children of Israel shall build the waste cities and inhabit them.
Dear brother will you please show how any of that happened in the days of Paul. The chapter ends with the words they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them. The Israelites were scattered from their land in Paul's day. Also, please be so kind as to define the tabernacle of David that was repaired from ruins
What does Paul seems to be saying in Romans 3? If we look at verse 9 both Jews and Gentiles under sin, (v19) the whole world become guilty before God. (v22) no difference why because all (Jew and Gentile, the whole of mankind-see chapter 1 and quoted Psalms in chapter 3) have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you: For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God For I bear him record, that he hath a great zeal for you, and them that are in Laodicea, and them in Hierapolis.
II Corinthians 7:11 ....yea, what zeal...
Titus 2:14 ...and purify unto Himself a peculiar people zealous of good works.
Rev 3:19 ...be zealous therefore and repend
Acts 20:19&20 Serving the Lord with all humility of mind, and with many tears, and temptations, which befell me by the lying in wait of the Jews: And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you....
John 2:17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of your house has consumed me
That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh
Obamacare is self-imploding. It is killing healthcare and it didn't get a single Republican vote. The longer it is in place the worse healthcare will get. I am no prophet but you will see my words come true.
look a little deeper wrote: But getting a university gives them a credibility and an acceptance of society previously not there. I see you are happy to give them a credibility along religious lines by your association with Christian religion??? The seed of wickedness is a planting!!!
Thanks for your post, appreciate your concern.
However we do not live in a theocracy but a republic. We are part of a secular society. The basis for our laws should be the constitution which specifically states that we are not to make laws impeding the the free exercise of religion. If we deny Muslims their college then we can deny Christians and those who are so called Christians their institutions of higher learning. Do I want the Muslims to have a training center in the U.S.? Not really, they already have their liberal sympathizers who are trying to impose Sharia law (the goal of Muslims) here. I can't control public perception. IMO they are way past the seed stage.
Frank wrote: Okay, but I am going to make your post even better. None of them were REAL Christians.
Great post brother Frank
It is said to see those who call themselves children of God exalting man made titles and writings equal to that of God's Holy Word. Sadly, their will undoubtedly be many Calvinist who end up in hell because they thought they were chosen of God because someone sprinkled or poured some water on them when they were a baby. They equate the WCF and COD with the Scripture even though the Lord exalts His Word above His name not down to some doctrinal dissertation of fallen man.
Frank wrote: Just something to think about. Now I admit to being a TU_IP. but normally these debates go nowhere. ...
you dare question the Canons of Dort????
Look what happened when this was done at the time. (from Wiki)
The Synod condemned the religious doctrine of Arminianism as heresy. There followed the political condemnation of the statesman Johan van Oldenbarnevelt who had been the protector of the Remonstrants. For the crime of general perturbation in the state of the nation, both in Church and State (treason), he was beheaded on 13 May 1619, only four days after the final meeting of the Synod. As consequence of the Arminian defeat the jurist Hugo Grotius was given a life sentence in prison; but he escaped with the help of his wife. Both Van Oldenbarnevelt and Grotius had in fact been imprisoned since 29 August 1618.
And we all know what happened to Michael Servetus at the hands of Calvin.
We will pray for your safety from the man behind the curtain.