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Mike wrote: It is a stupid idea which would create hundreds of millions of angry Catholics. So much for the Islamic State plans of world dominance.
Beheading Americans and British angered millions too, and that didnt stop them. In fact they beheaded the Brit the day when many in the UK wanted to avoid joining the coalition against them. Im think there is a method to their madness. The worse thing that can happen to them is that they become forgotten and Russia/Iran backed Assad drives them out of Syria and Kurds and Shia hold them to N Iraq until all their equipment becomes worthless with lack of parts and ammo. Im pretty sure that any weapons we send to that theater will just end up in their hands, and any anti west attacks draws more of the wicked to their ranks. Can you imagine the recruiting drive in Africa after an attack on the RCC?
Lets not forget, it was NATO under the guise of 'aid' that filled Afghan classrooms with Qoran filled propaganda to incite the Client State to rebel against their Soviet overlords. We can argue if that part was worth it, but considering what the US suffered after the Soviet Afghan war, we should conclude this evangelizing for Islam is not a path we want to follow again
James Thomas wrote: I see it in Scripture. I didn't see it presented in your prior post as a possibility from your view. But based on the Scripture you selected, I see that you do as well.
I thought Olde Folderal made a good observation on this thread, too many people are unsure why their Church has a particular view of the LORDs Supper. In too many cases they dont care to even ask. They just go along with the motions rather than examine the beauty and meaning of the Sacrament(Ordinance).
My opinion, if the RCC in America could, they would lead the way in this area. However, Catholics in the US benefit from the cultures that make up much of RCC. Many 3rd world countries where the RCC is strong, notabley South America, have cultures that despise the unnatural lifestyle. I agree with Chris, its staggering how fast US Protestant Churches are falling in this area. And I must conclude its our wicked culture that demands it from our Churches. As Penny noted, this is a business now and the businesses are appeasing their customers. Now more than ever, Parents must take the lead and bring up their children in the Scriptures not depending on the Church alone, as even once conservative churches are now falling
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deuteronomy 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
James Thomas wrote: SteveR, I do not see symbolism of the new covenant in your breakdown of how to understand what Matthew 26:26 means. Why?
Im not twisting your arm, if you see it..fine. If not, fine. In the Reformed Tradition we do look to Scripture for the foundational basis of this Sacrament which we find in GODs Promise to HIS people
Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Stuart F wrote: What did Luther believe about communion?
John Y has the heathen raging once again, how interesting. These people are insatiable in the hatred of Christian attendance in the RCC Well, at least Stuart asked a legitimate question, so we have a teaching moment. The Reformers were all far more Eucharistic in their understanding of the Lords Supper, its not until the mid 17th century did views become as superficial as they are today. It makes sense, as all people were required to join the Church, more superfcial doctrines take hold and that is certainly the case here. Without writing a book.. The issue was how to explain the word 'is' Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
RCC- Physical Presence-Is actually means Is (Imagine that Sola Scriptura). But only to a point, it took a Priest to make the 'is' happen Luther- Local Presence- Is means an ubiquitious presence Calvin- Spiritual Presence- Is means a spiritual presence for the Elect alone Superficial so called Christians- Is means Isnt SA message board- Is doesnt need theological justification, as long as everyone agrees the RCC is satanic
Michael Board wrote: I enjoyed reading this article. As I've grown in my walk with The Lord & the Church I've also grown in my understanding of The Lord's table. I have found that I agree more with Calvin's theology of real spiritual presence when it comes to communion. I didn't grow up having communion every week but I started attending a church that did and I really enjoyed doing that. I think that the article is right in that communion should speak of our unity with each other.
Agree Calvin's Doctrine of the Spiritual Presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper is a beautiful understanding of the infinite in a finite world. Sacramentalism, Unity, & Spiritual Presence explained & experienced.
Rodney K. wrote: This is what no one on here (including myself) can figure out: If John Y. really, really, really has such a problem with transubstantiation, why does he not leave? Furthermore, why do the two of you (again, claiming not to support transubstantiation) defend so adamantly the RCC? Very puzzling...
If you have read his posts over the years, he claims concrete issues like not having a car to go elsewhere to theological justifications like 'ignoring' certain parts of the mass. It doesnt bother me, he sounds Christian to me.
Rodney K. wrote: I know that the Lord's supper should not be a mere intellectual exercise. We should worship in spirit. However, we should also worship in truth. That means denying the false doctrine of transubstantiation.
Clearly John Y has denied supporting the doctrine of transubstantiation on many occasions, he inflamed the local coven by expressing his Godly desire to see it(The sacrament of the Lords Supper) practiced more often in Churches that dont honour it weekly
For those Elect interested in the Reformed Understanding of this Sacrament, some highlights Calvin's Doctrine of the Spiritual Presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper
"the sacraments operates not only for the benefit of our understanding. Just as the Spirit of God operates through the Word to engender faith in the hearts of the elect, so also the Spirit operating through the sacraments accomplishes in reality that which is signified by them but only in the elect. The Spirit only blesses the faithful. ..Calvin maintains that the sacrament's effect is more than a mere stimulation of the intellect, imagination, and emotions at the sight of the portrayal of the spectacle of the Cross. It is this and more. "In participation in the Supper faith connects itself with something outside of itself and other than a mere idea, and, in so doing, effects in the spiritual realm a real communication between itself and the earthly reality such as that figured in the act of eating the bread." Calvin later speaks of the supper as being the "seal" of the doctrine taught in this passage...I shall not be ashamed to confess that it is a secret too lofty for either my mind to comprehend or my words to declare. And to speak more plainly, I rather experience than understand it."
Rodney K. wrote: As I understand it, the RCC uses the term "sacrament" because they believe that grace is imparted (re-imparted maybe) to the partaker and they believe that it is NECESSARY for salvation. I prefer the term "ordinance" because while it important in REMINDING the believer, it contributes nothing to salvation nor will lack of participation send a true child of God to hell.
In the Reformed Tradition we use the term Sacrament(look it up), but we understand those that wish to use the term ordinance
ladybug wrote: Instead of answering the question I asked, Steve R. stoops to the level of a grade school child and lashes out with an immature attack; I would expect no less from someone who is void of the Spirit. Well said Dorcas, it truly is a Satanic religion indeed. Good morning to you John UK, I second your words - 'never to be repeated' sacrifice. Add this to your 'note to self' Steve R - God's TRUE sheep partake of His table in a right manner, knowing it has no salvific meaning.
Down deep you know you arent one of the Elect. Thats why this thread bothers you
SteveR wrote: Thank You John Y Its nice to hear someone say 'Holy Communion' for this command that we have received. Using such language will upset the heathen, but you know that already. I do have something against the author. While he touched on the importance of the Sacrament, he failed to address the true Holiness of this sacrament and the caution that must be given when offered. It is a sacrament for the Elect. 1 Corinthians 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 1 Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
Note to self: Affirmation of this most Holy Sacrament for Gods People alone sends the heathen in a rage
ladybug wrote: Steve R. why do you quote verses from Isaiah, verses which have not one thing to do with partaking of the Lord's supper? Really, it's not surprising, coming from a defender of the Satanic religion known as Roman Catholicism. I assume it is some kind of 'rebuke', which would be hideous, coming from you. Now, are you going to deny the teachings of the dead religion and their sacraments concerning it's necessity to save? Here's a reminder - Titus 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him. You have been warned repeatedly Steve R.; you are divisive, void of the Spirit and a defender of the Devil's religion. God have mercy on you. Sister Dorcas, well said, amen!
You are blinded by wickedness, as I was defending the Holy Sacrament of the Lords Supper, not the error of the RCC.
Isaiah 5:4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes? Isaiah 5:5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:
ladybug wrote: Steve R and John Y, Those who truly belong to the Lamb understand that partaking of the Lord's supper will not save a sinner. So, every time you two partake of His table, you are eating and drinking judgment on yourselves. You both partake of it in an unworthy manner, for you both defend an evil religion. God have mercy on you.
Isaiah 5:18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
Isaiah 5:19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isaiah 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: