Dorcas wrote: Current events Ralph Ovadal---- Francis, Fidel, and Barack. 1219141828564 on SermonAudio. 12/19/14
What a sad commentary for modern Christianity. A sermon based solely on contemporary geopolitics and macroeconomics. Worse, this man knows just as little about those two subjects as he does about Christianity. It is quite a curse to be involved with that mans ministry
Psalms 50:16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
Psalms 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.
Helen wrote: So I am a "terrorist"because I believe the jews are entitled to their land...? Make no sense to me at all. I have it my bible and I do NOT agree with replacement theology which I think is unbiblical. And yes, I have heard all the arguments and cutting from bible verses and their allegorrising from this camp. Don't bother remind me. It's a blessing to see God's tremendous promise being fullfilled through that nation Israel and even though they live in a great fall away nowadays God will save them through Jesus in the days to come. If you can get this, it's only by the Holy Spirit... A true gift, a Grace from your heavenly Father. Blessings to all who read this and Merry Christmas Helen
On a secular level it makes you a terrorist sympathizer, on a spiritual level it makes you one with the terrorists
Lurker wrote: Full preterism? Built on the assumption everything was fulfilled 70 AD. If that be true, then the proponents should be able to write entire books explaining how and when all the mysterious events of the Revelation were fulfilled in historic reality. They should be able to identify all the mysterious figures and match them up with 1st century AD realities. I'm not aware of any such books. Anyway, the reason I replied to your question was I had just read the Revelation the evening before and it was fresh in my mind. And, of course, Steve's egging me on prompted me to look into the idea you posted about the 24 elders and I'm glad I did. I needed to work that through anyway. Why was the seals on the book removed? "that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God". The Lamb was worthy being the only one to fulfill the law.
Lurker Lurker Lurker, 'Egging me on' is a phrase used when someone is encouraging you to do some unwise, illegal or harmful action, not positive. By your own admission, you were 'glad' about the 'prompt.'
""There is no difference between Hamas, al-Qaida, Jabhat al-Nusra or Islamic State. These are the same organizations with the same ideology and the same hatred for the civilized, modern world," Liberman said.""
When a bright guy makes such a naive statement designed to influence opinion, its illuminates the desperation in the ME terror state
I believe I did answer the original question, Steve. What do you think, John? Did I answer your question? John seemed to think the crowns implied post resurrection probably because of 2 Tim 4:8 but that wouldn't answer the crowns on the heads of locusts (Rev 9:7), the 7 heads of the dragon (Rev 12:3) or the 10 crowns on the 10 horns of the sea beast (Rev 13:1). Crowns don't always imply victory over death. As far as the identity of the 24 elders, I honestly don't know. If you can help both John and me out with that, I'm open for instruction.
It was in the spirit of the question, and when has not knowing ever stopped you from offering a speculation? Are you that puzzled?
Lurker wrote: I remember the first time I read the Revelation...... when I got to the end my thoughts were 'Is that all there is?' One thing I'd pass on for your benefit..... the book sealed with 7 seals. What is it? A tiny but important clue: Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne **a book written within and on the backside**, sealed with seven seals. Ezek 2:9-10 And when I looked, behold, an hand was sent unto me; and, lo, a roll of a book was therein; And he spread it before me; **and it was written within and without**: and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe. z
Good Morning Lurker
Helen Keller and Observer could have offered John UK similar responses. OK, Perhaps Im exaggerating about Observer.
Dont you think you should answer the original question? Dont get me wrong, Im glad John UK woke you up from your slumber. But you need to answer who the elders and creatures are, and why they are worshipping in the manner they are.
Jim Lincoln wrote: According to CBS commentators, Nebraska farmers should love this idea. It was a reasoned speech, he did make some points, even though I wouldn't agree with everything.
Unless these Nebraskan farmers are interested in non stop $100 flights to Havana in winter, I would imagine that conservative bunch would be against the idea of a DNC President unilaterally getting us to crawl into bed with Communists
Dorcas wrote: What person who claims to be born from above would make such hateful, vile comments concerning unbelievers continually on a public forum? ----- The rotten fruit of decisional regeneration. Many are deceived by it!
JohnY says about unbelievers what you so often say about believers in the RCC...so really Dorcas the real unregenerate is you
Michael Hranek wrote: SteveR In the face of reality Jesuits, the RCC, and eumenical pro-Catholic "protestant/reformed" trolls really are not funny, more so like lying devils, accusers of the brethern, a very wicked blasphemous idolatrous bunch that seek to sabotage genuine born again believers and shut up the kingdom of God from those who would enter in you really need to stop deceiving yourself and to come out from among them and be separate, genuinely holy unto God, unto the Lord Jesus Christ Hint: genuine believers/disciples, even with all our poverty, weirdnesses and weaknesses though they be a very small remnent are much better company to be with
I find naming a Baptist Church in Downers Grove 'Marquette Manor Baptist Church' very very funny. Since you are a few milliliters short of a baptism, I will fill you in on the punch line. Jacques Marquette was the famous French Explorer that not only founded many settlements in the Midwest, but he was a dedicated militant Jesuit missionary
Wow wrote: I Can Remember Back In The 1980s--While Sitting Before Br.-Dr. Pastor Wayne Van Gelderen Sr. As He Sat In The Church Office One Sunday Afternoon--Him Chuckling & Telling Me How The Church Congregation At THE MARQUETTE MANOR BAPTIST CHURCH (DOWNERS GROVE, IL, U.S.A.) Thinks That He Uses THE KING JAMES BIBLE When He Preaches; When, In Actuality & FACT He Uses THE ***J.N. "DARBY" TRANSLATION OF THE "BIBLE (WHICH IS BASED ON THE WESTCOTT-&-HORT CORRUPTED ALEXANDRIAN-/-EGYPTIAN-/-SATANIC~VATICAN-APOSTATE-"N.T."-'GREEK'-MANUSCRIPTS )" *** ! HISTORICALLY, THE J.N. DARBY-'BIBLE' TRANSLATION IS JUST ANOTHER "JE[W]SUIT"-PUSHED 'TRANSLATION' OF THE 'BIBLE':
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John Yurich USA wrote: For your information I was taught by my Catholic parents to read the Bible almost everyday. I know the outline of the Bible so well that I can go to any book in the Bible within a matter of seconds.
My barber is out because of an operation, so I ended up with the 'Catholic' barber in town. I must say, that was the most Christian conversation I have had with a barber in awhile. Anyways some stats on the Catholic 'Crisis.' Looks more like a crisis for liberal publications like Huffpo and the Devil
The LORD has really blessed the RCC & Saints in the 3rd World. In the past 34 years, RCC total population has grown from 622 million to 1.23 billion(source georgetown.edu). Staying roughly 17% of world population BUT!!! What is interesting is, once a country becomes 'rich,' their RCC church population drops off. Polands drop is noteworthy
James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
Stevenr wrote: SteveR. The question is not so much, "How did such and such treat his slave/bondservant?" But how did God tell them to. Your question is ludicrous, as it implies that mankinds behavior is indicative of God's design. Free will and a sin nature assures us that man will pervert God's plan at every opportunity.
That wasnt the question professor
""Now that the discussion has moved from 'pure evil' to conditional justification, a question. Do you think Israelites treated their Midianite slaves better than Christian slave owners in the American South? "The treatment of slaves in the United States varied by time and place, but was generally brutal and degrading. Whipping, execution and sexual abuse of women, including rape, were common."
Source Treatment of slaves in the United States-Wikipedia""
John UK wrote: Bro, if you remember, I was supporting the "elect" who were soundly converted at a Billy Graham Crusade. I even gave a good example. But if some want to imagine that God saves his elect through "heretics" and "wolves in sheeps' clothing", then I will always rebel against such bigotry.
Stevenr wrote: There is a difference, I believe, in keeping bond-persons/slaves for sex slaves and bond-persons/slaves for general slavery. Besides, nowhere did God allow for the sexual aspect that ISIS is allowing. Keeping a female who has "not known man" meant that she was still pure. The likelihood that one who had known man and could be pregnant, thus spawning a child of an enemy was avoided.
Now that the discussion has moved from 'pure evil' to conditional justification, a question. Do you think Israelites treated their Midianite slaves better than Christian slave owners in the American South?
"The treatment of slaves in the United States varied by time and place, but was generally brutal and degrading. Whipping, execution and sexual abuse of women, including rape, were common."
Source Treatment of slaves in the United States-Wikipedia