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pennny wrote: what do you do when its the elders hanging onto their tax status and want to keep the churches in the traditions they've become comfortable with, even if it leads right to apostasy, so they convince the youth to follow them, who know no better? meanwhile working age family men report a new world order that is weakening the church already and end up leaving the churches? then the elders report that the younger generations are apostate because they won't join them on Sunday? what do we do with a generation who just wants to sit and wait it out and go out for brunch?
Its not just the elders, as one year I thought we had enough to ask the congregation for a vote. The trustees quickly discouraged anyone from attempting a move on the tax free status.
I wonder how many people reading this know who the Trustees of their own churches are?
Sin in the Camp wrote: A.D. series pulled, NBC exec resigns NASHVILLE (BP) -- NBC has pulled the hit series "A.D. The Bible Continues" in response to media reports alleging its heroes were sinners. Upon examination NBC found Adam & Eve bring death on us all by direct disobedience to God's word Gen 3 Noah, gen 9:21 got drunk Lot lay with his daughters in a drunken stupor Gen 19:26 Abraham lied and endangered Sarah through cowardice. And has a child abuse allegation involving offering Isaac on Mt Moriah. Gen 22! Moses, ex 2:11-15 killed a man The Judges 19 horror is way past network standards. David&Bathsheba...adultery by the author of the Psalms? &also Dave had the husband killed 2 Samuel:11
Even SA moderators remove posts with Biblical Passages that readers of this website find offensive, I should know as I often have had those posts removed. And I never came close to posting the events of the Levites concubine from Bethlehemjudah.
I travel for business, and often would stop in at one PCUSA Wed night Bible study because it was convenient. It was a good group with an retired Pastor, a seminary grad, son of a Pastor and the usual group of those that like these studies for socializing. My last visit, I brought up this issue and asked how they would respond. I was met with silence and a few dirty looks from the liberal women, then the Church Pastor DEFENDED the apostasy. Further, he said the PCUSA will vote to specifically affirm gay marriage, rather than the vague wording they have now
Its stunning to watch the company man just trumpet what he is told. The synod could tell him the sky was pink, and he would support it for his job
from the article 'Franklin Graham, the president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, explains what is happening to the PCUSA with one word: apostasy. ...Graham made it loud and clear that the PCUSA's decision to part from God's Word was nothing less than an all-out rejection of His Word and an embrace of society's accepted sinful behavior.
2 Kings 22:13 Go ye, enquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us.
2 Kings 22:14 So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they communed with her.
2 Kings 22:15 And she said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Tell the man that sent you to me,
2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:
edit: background- Everyone had forgotten the books of Moses, and Josiah the young King found the book of the law and read it. NOBODY knew what to, and the priests consulted Huldah for guidance
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vine dresser wrote: And as Bob says these are CEOs with a rotten buisness plan. And rotten wages Rom 6:23. Love of money' Biden. Partner in RCC buisness-does his slick ad for this evil buisness model.
I agree that Biden and the RCC are interested in money, but the RCC will step up to the plate from time to time. Not just in the Irish vote, but even when it will hurt them in the geopolitical pocketbook
end times wrote: "Early results suggest the Republic of Ireland has voted to legalise same-sex marriage in a historic referendum. More than 3.2m people were asked whether they wanted to amend the country's constitution to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. Government ministers have said they believe it will pass, while prominent "no" campaigners have conceded defeat." (BBC) Looks like Ireland has voted to go to hell. ======================= "A "transgender baptism" service is to be considered by the Church of England" The wicked CofE is also going to hell. - Anglicans and Episcopalians worldwide are an unbiblical unchristian bunch of religious hypocritical reprobates.
While Im disheartened the vote in Ireland is running 2 to 1 for gay marriage, Im comforted to know that not all of Ireland/ UK arent lost(though it seems like it on days like this)
1 Kings 19:18 Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.
Christopher000 wrote: Sodomy is no different that any other sin when it comes to resisting, whether it be lying, cheating, stealing, drinking to excess, or whatever. The sodomites seem to see things different when it comes to their sins because God made them this way and He just wants them to be happy. The god of the 21st century.
Not really, its an indicator of be given over to violate nature and creation
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Thanks, SteveR, for pointing that out, http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150757 (Expose: The Vatican Wants to Lay its Hands on Jerusalem). Ah, the joys of using a tablet, which I'm foregoing at the moment. As you see it isn't the Jerusalem Post, so I'm not that familiar with the source of the article. Just by looking at the title of one article it might be more liberal than the Jerusalem Post. Anyway, I found the article interesting. Hmm, some of the reference articles at the end of this one look quite interesting! No matter what the occupant of
Thats an old article, since the RCC has received control of some of those discussed sites. Which is no big deal because Israel wants the RCC, Orthodox and Armenian churces to handle those. Really what was at issue was control of the Citadel & tunnel location, and the Israelis used their overwhelming influence and dominance to keep that. They needed complete authority in order to relocate the Palestinians living in that neighborhood.
Notable is that the site is also just outside the Dung gate, an important location for Western Wall security
Jim Lincoln wrote: They probably didn't mention that there is probably also already being taught in parochial schools. It is what one would expect from a Catholic University. Here is an example, what the Vatican has tried to do in the past. The Vatican wants to lay its hands on Jerusalem.
If unbelievers put as much effort and thought into understanding the THEORY of evolution as they do sabotaging Creation, they would realize what a faulty theory evolution is. Instead they support a theory they dont understand as an excuse not to believe in GOD.
Unfortunately, some Christians see the vast support evolution receives from the lost, and they are too timid or ignorant to confront the world in this lie, so they take the easy way out. They believe in both
Dispensationalism was dying out when Palestine became a nest of secular violence instead of the marking of the Rapture in the years after 1967, but Billy Graham revived the dream. So it doesnt surprise me his daughter still holds on to it. There is an old saying, everyone wants to go to heaven, but most are too afraid to die to get there
Thus the Rapture is a seductive heresy even granting a 1000 yrs to rule over the unbelieving mortals that made you bake cakes you didnt want to bake
Jim Lincoln wrote: While abortion may be the pet sin of some, I would point out It isn't even mentioned in the New Testament, but these sins are, 1 Corinthians 6 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.---NASB but yes, I do recognize, Matthew 19 17 And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18 He said^ to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."---NASB
Jim Lincoln wrote: I don't remember any place that I even mention the Bible with this particular comment? One should realize there are completely secular arguments against queerness, e.g., The Secular Case Against Gay Marriage Now of course there is religious arguments against homosexuality, q.v., Homosexuality: A Biblical Perspective, but all I said it was an interesting article about an interesting happening in Northern Ireland. So, what's the problem?
Oh good, Jim is in the room. Perhaps you can offer your educated perspective on why this happens
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee...
To canonize a Saint, the RCC requires miracles after the persons earthly passing. The process is more than just works, it involves doctrine, holiness and as I said 'miracles.' While a martyr can be venerable, and beautified, even they require at least one miracle before Sainthood