Frank wrote:
Hey Chris. Thanks, it is a difficult subject and my musing was sort of rambling, but that is the way I look at it. As parents, we create the impetus or the source for evil, but not the evil. When God created mankind, He created the impetus or source, but not the evil. Therefore, He is not the author of evil.
Supralapsarianism versus infralapsarianism.

Mike wrote:
The fall that afflicts mankind with tornadoes is the same fall that afflicted Herod. Blame is better applied where it belongs.

Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. Matthew 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

I would add the ENTIRE Song of Moses, to which this is but a sample

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why SteveR, I have to say I agree with you the message right before this one!
When you have the Bible you don't need Confessions, etc. One doesn't need what the Romish Church thinks passes for Roman Catholic Authority (PDF).

San Jose John wrote:
We're studying this in the Bible study I presently attend. Our teacher gave each of us a small paperback copy of a book that contains the Heidleberg Catechism, the Belgic Confession, and the Canons of Dort.
So far it's been pretty enlightening. Even though these works are NOT the Bible and therefore not authoritative in themselves, they do a very fine job of explaining the Bible's doctrines and include many scripture proofs for each one.
Regarding the tornado, Psalm 90 provides ample perspective regarding the present fallen nature of our flesh and the world, and God's general reaction to these (earthquakes, etc.)

Sayin wrote:
So you keep saying. But getting your lies from Roman Catholic sources gives you no credibility here.

Unproifitable Servant wrote:
Not sure why you are quoting a Catholic priest with an agenda as a reliable source.
. When you start decrying the over 1000 years of Catholic persecution, raping of women, burning of villages, torture, and unmentionable abuses, then we will see that you are balanced in your approach. No one is this forum has ever, that I have seen, stood up in favor of violence in the name of Christ. So, I am not sure what point you are trying to prove. I suggest that if you have not that you take the time to read Foxes Book of Martyrs, it is available in mp3 format on this site (different readers, some good some not so good) or online at many sites instead of a misguided Catholic priest defending Catholicism

Mr b wrote:
Thank you stevenR. I didn't know the meaning. Thank you for showing me that.

Joplin Meaning: the son of Job

Job 1:18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: Job 1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Mr b wrote:
I don't know what the Belgium confession is either. I thought the reason why things happen us because its a fallen world. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. God only knows

Mike wrote:
In other words, the creation is not fallen and acting accordingly. Death by tornado is now "fatherly care."

Matthew 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.

Welor wrote:
Now Steve, don't forget that the Roman Catholic organisation is waaaaayyy ahead on the paedophilia stakes .....
And;
"An openly gay former Dominican friar insisted today that homosexuality is the ‘ticking time bomb in the Catholic Church’ and that homosexual men are ‘massively over-represented’ within the Church.
Mark Dowd, who is now a journalist, said research for his 2001 Channel 4 documentary Queer and Catholic suggested that at least half of people attracted into seminaries in the priesthood are gay."
Mail Online 26th Feb 2013
And thats before we go into the pagan idolatry of the RCC.

Sayin wrote:
His work was on the German people, not specifically about the German Reformation.
No sources! What a surprise.
Who would believe a Roman Catholic priest who was made domestic prelate to the pope?!!

Ezekiel 23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Ezekiel 23:2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother: Ezekiel 23:3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity. Ezekiel 23:4 And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah. Ezekiel 23:5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours, ... Ezekiel 23:7 .. she defiled herself.
. Ezekiel 23:9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, ... Ezekiel 23:10 ... for they had executed judgment upon her. Ezekiel 23:11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

Sayin wrote:
More Roman Catholic lies!

Lutherans on Zwingli
""I will not read the works of these people, because they are out of the Church, and are not only damned themselves, but draw many miserable creatures after them."

"Zwingli was an offspring of hell, an associate of Arius (13), a man who did not deserve to be prayed for . . ."

Zwingli, returns the compliment
"The devil has made himself master of Luther, to such a degree, as to make one believe he wishes to gain entire possession of him."
"To see him in the midst of his followers, you would believe him to be possessed by a phalanx of devils."

"We do you no injustice when we reproach and condemn you as a worse betrayer and denier of Christ than the ancient heretic Marcion (16)."
Zwingli's Church of Zurich wrote of Luther:

"He will not and can not associate himself with those who confess Christ . . . He wrote all his works by the impulse and the dictation of the devil."
Luther on Calvin and Oecolampadius

Christopher000 wrote:
I don't know...that's probably way off but how I try to make sense of it.

Article 13: The Doctrine of God's Providence

We believe that this good God, after he created all things, did not abandon them to chance or fortune but leads and governs them according to his holy will, in such a way that nothing happens in this world without his orderly arrangement.
Yet God is not the author of, nor can he be charged with, the sin that occurs. For his power and goodness are so great and incomprehensible that he arranges and does his work very well and justly even when the devils and wicked men act unjustly.

We do not wish to inquire with undue curiosity into what he does that surpasses human understanding and is beyond our ability to comprehend. But in all humility and reverence we adore the just judgments of God, which are hidden from us, being content to be Christ's disciples, so as to learn only what he shows us in his Word, without going beyond those limits.

John UK wrote:
Feel better now?
Observer put in a lot of effort to help you see that your own people - Presby theologians - maintained that baptism was from the beginning, by immersion. I regard that as an act of kindness,

therighthandoffellowship wrote:
"the secret handshake crowd"
I only go off what I am reading in the posts not any special revelation.

Lisa wrote:
There is a spirit of witchcraft there- I can't tell you who because they don't post under a consistent title but I been sensing it. Internet web sites are easy picking for witches. I recall I used to post on a web site called end times and coming events and one or two there could discern but only just starting. Anyway this guy who initially looked kosher started posting demonic art - again knew the bible very well. In the end we had to delete his membership he was so wack. Not long after I had a virus attack that simply stopped me logging onto the website.

Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks...I'm very careful about who I give to as well. As for organizations, I'll give a few bucks here and there to all the usuals when leaving a grocery store, or whatever, but the bulk goes to well researched Christian organizations, like Compassion Int'l where I have been supporting a couple of boy in Brazil for some time.

Lisa wrote:
Btw gotta say how nice it is to have a normal discussion without having those weird people butting in all the time and accusing is being stupid. Dyu think they are kosher Steve ? I have a check in my spirit that they are sinister - a witch once infiltrated out group and she had an enormous knowledge of the bible but her spirit was not right. How long yu been on here with them ???

Marty wrote:
More dominant than secular humanism?