From the article; ""There was an old man with a face of remarkable kindness who attended every session. He told us that the Nazis had arrested him when they swept into France, and placed him in a prison camp where he was savagely beaten. Like Louis Zamperini in Japan, the Frenchman remained "unbroken." In fact, he said, he was thankful for the cruel treatment under the Nazis. "Why?" I asked. "Because it helped me learn how to forgive," he replied. That beats guns and bullets and bloodshed every time.""
Why look this story provides the very opposite of the "Right to bear arms" syndrome!!
"And thanks to draconian gun-control laws severely infringing on the French peopleâ€™s right to keep and bear arms, actual and potential victims of the ongoing slaughter have been left largely defenseless"
Oh here we go the "newamerican.com" wants the 'right to bear arms' in France too. Or as it should be called the right to kill. Or even the lynch mob rule and justice system.
Terrorists increasing their murderous attacks all over the world and the best solution they can offer apparently is lynch mob justice.
I wonder if the famous numerous gun shops of America also sell suicide belts too just so they can react like for like. The terrorist mentality is mindless killing and the solution is to return like for like - mindless killing????
For any Christians who might be reading here? Does sin prevent sin?
I guess there is no hope that after such criminality nations should try to restore law and order.
Logic??? Less gun availability means less murders. If America did not have this national obsession with guns then a lot more people would be alive today. The right to bear arms provides the "right to kill" - not the right to protect. Don't you "Christians" care?
(#) America has a problem with gun violence â€¢One in three people in the U.S. know someone who has been shot. â€¢On average, 32 Americans are murdered with guns every day and 140 are treated for a gun assault in an emergency room. â€¢Every day on average, 51 people kill themselves with a firearm, and 45 people are shot or killed in an accident with a gun. â€¢The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 20 times higher than the combined rates of 22 countries that are our peers in wealth and population. â€¢A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.
(#) Gun Violence Takes a Massive Toll on American Children â€¢More than one in five U.S. teenagers (ages 14 - 17) report having witnessed a shooting. â€¢An average of eight children and teens under the age of 20 are killed by guns every day." http://www.bradycampaign.org/about-gun-violence
Mike wrote: These had low cholesterol, therefore there is a relationship? Of the 79677 remaining how many also had "below the median" cholesterol, yet did not meet the criteria for criminal violence?
Perhaps Mike, you should suggest to Homeland Security that it would be a good idea for a "low cholesterol" test to be done on everybody entering the myriad of legal arsenals you support in the shopping malls.
These "meatless Mondays" recommended by USDA might be viewed by some as healthy eating but the risk taken by America with all these armories around could be the cause of the multi-kill sprees. Therefore you could recommend an increase of cholesterol, meat consumption, to reduce the criminal violence stats.
Perhaps obese America would be the safer option then gun shops would be irrelevant?
Article quote; "One simple way to reduce your environmental impact while dining at our cafeterias is to participate in the "Meatless Monday" initiative," the USDA newsletter said. "This international effort, as the name implies, encourages people not to eat meat on Mondays."
What America forgets is that many countries have compulsory meatless mondays, tuesdays, wednesdays, thursdays, fridays, saturdays and sundays.
Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) 30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Kyle wrote: I was not there, so I only know what I see on the news. If this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers, and they convict him, this guy should be executed by Christmas
If he is psychologically unstable - What then?
Quote; Referring to Holmes psychologist said... "He may be a longtime psychopath who turned to violence to show the world he could make a lasting mark, she said. Or he could have suffered a psychotic breakdown as recently as this spring, triggering his decision to drop out of graduate school, start buying weapons and launch his attack amid paranoid delusions, she said.
But, she added, the medications he could have been on during the hearing likely masked his true nature." CNN Justice
John Yurich USA wrote: I plan on amassing a firearms arsenal. By the time I am done I will have amassed over 20,000 firearms including military style firearms, rifles, pistols, shotguns and every other kind of firearm that has been manufactured.
Be careful what Satan and sin does with you after you have wasted your money on such a fruitless exercise with such weaponry.
Remember below, on another thread, (Catholic priest suggests Satan....) that you agree that Satan and sin do have an input into the life of the sinner. Both are powerful adversaries in the life of the mortal. I wouldn't want you to turn into a "Holmes"
Mike wrote: There are few monkeys with access to firearms in this area
Missing the point?
"We merged one-time cholesterol measurements on 79,777 subjects enrolled in a health screening project in Varmland, Sweden with subsequent police records for arrests for violent crimes in men and women aged 24-70 at enrollment; and with information on covariates. We performed a nested case control comparison of cholesterol in violent criminals - defined as those with two or more crimes of violence against others - to cholesterol in nonoffenders matched on age, enrollment year, sex, education and alcohol, using variable-ratio matching, with a nonparametric sign test.
RESULTS: One hundred individuals met criteria for criminal violence. Low cholesterol (below the median) was strongly associated with criminal violence in unadjusted analysis (Men: risk ratio 1.94. Age emerged as a strong confounder. Adjusting for covariates using a matching procedure, violent criminals had significantly lower cholesterol than others identical in age, sex, alcohol indices and education, using a nonparametric sign test.
CONCLUSIONS: Adjusting for other factors, low cholesterol is associated with increased subsequent criminal violence" (University of California)
Kyle wrote: It was his right to buy the gun. He was not exercising any right when he used it for murder. Why can't you make that distinction?
"It was his right to buy the gun" - Why do you think he bought the guns in the first place, just two months prior to the murderous attack? What reason was in his mind?
The ease and facilitating availability of military style hardware at the local shopping mall made it all to easy for this killer and others, eg Columbine and Virginia Tech in Blacksburg etc etc etc....
Mike wrote: This sounds similar to "solution"s accusation about fighting for the right to shoot people. Makes just about as much sense.
Don't worry Mike, I am sure that common sense (and science) will not prevail and you can maintain the logistical support for pathological killers handy at the shopping mall.
Perhaps y'all could factor into the early demise of someone the proximity of a gun shop combined with the incidence of criminal insanity in the population, as well as cholesterol levels.
"Community cohort studies and meta-analyses of randomized trials have shown a relation between low or lowered cholesterol and death by violence (homicide, suicide, accident); in primates, cholesterol reduction has been linked to increased behavioral acts of aggression (Kaplan J, Manuck S. The effects of fat and cholesterol on aggressive behaviour in monkeys" "RESULTS: One hundred individuals met criteria for criminal violence. Low cholesterol (below the median) was strongly associated with criminal violence in unadjusted analysis...." (Department of Medicine, University of California)
"A federal law enforcement officer said Holmes bought one of the four guns â€” the first of two Glock pistols â€” on May 22 at Gander Mountain in Aurora, Colo. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe into the shootings is ongoing. Larry Whiteley, a Bass Pro Shops spokesman, said records show that its Denver store followed federal rules in selling a shotgun and a Glock pistol to Holmes. "Background checks, as required by federal law, were properly conducted, and (Holmes) was approved," Whiteley said in a statement." (yahoo.com)
ALL legal and above board, isn't that nice and apparently, judging by the posts, supported by the local Christians.
Holmes over the last couple of months was able to arm himself with military style hardware and freely use "HIS RIGHT" to go and slaughter 12 people and maim 50 odd others.
And some Christians are fighting hard to maintain this quote "RIGHT"
Strange I just can't find this "RIGHT" in the Bible. Where in the Bible does God give us the RIGHT to kill unarmed people in public places? And come to think of it where does God advise us to maintain local arsenals in the shopping mall?
Mike wrote: It is a right here, and it shall remain so. It is in the lands where it is believed angels have been found in the form of kings that ordnance belongs only to officialdom. btw, you have your Hungerford and Cumbria shootings, too, don't you? And with such limited access. Tsk tsk.
You forgot Dunblane if you require support for the 'legal' need to have the wherewithal to shoot people. Question is that, Are you supporting the people's need or the deadly criminal intent to murder, - or both?
I don't ever remember seeing or hearing of guns and their availability in our town and locality.
But I guess you, Kyle and others must be convinced of the incompetence of America's police and judiciary to find it necessary to arm yourself in preparation for shooting somebody?
John UK wrote: Sol, if you are concerned about the cause of deaths, why not focus on the "Sad, Mad, Diet" in America, which kills hundreds of thousands every year.
2. "medical profession", whose main treatment is to fill God's creation with damaging drugs.
"Diet"??? Are you kidding??? What is it with you lefty hippy sassenachs that you are more bothered about your stomach than the deadly retail industry which these poor misguided yanks are maintaining on the high street? Eat what God has provided and leave the longevity of your time on earth where it belongs - with God!
"Drugs" - No problem!! The NHS is wise (cheap) and wonderful. Be therefore happy with your lot.
Mike wrote: Only particular deaths in particular places interest him
'Criminality' Mike. Remove the "right" to ordnance, this cowboy creed and supplant common sense to stop the killing carousel, and fix America on this one.
Mike wrote: There are thousands of deaths, and tens of thousands of injuries on UK highways annually. Highway carnage is completely and utterly unnecessary in any "civilised" country. Close the car dealers and reduce the highway death rate.
The point is not that human beings die Mike, but that you and others are fighting to maintain the logistical weapon support for pathological killers. Thats definitely not the Christian thing to do.
If stats are what you want then Aurora 12 dead Tucson 6 dead Ft Hood 12 dead Blacksburg 32 dead Seatle 6 dead Columbine 12 dead
How many more must die for the so called "right" to keep the "Wild West" proclivity alive?
Neil wrote: And how, pray tell, do you "remove too-easy access to lethal weapons" w/o gun laws??
Look Neil, here is an appropriate reason for you to vote Democrat. Quote; "President Barack Obama has not done enough to lead on the issue amid the recent shooting massacre in an Aurora, Colorado-theater."
Neil wrote: Canada is a good example for "solutions" argument that gun shops in unsettled areas are OK
"solutions" he say... Gun shops are completely and utterly unnecessary in any "civilised" country. Christians especially should practice this reality.
Close the gun shops and reduce the multi-murder rates.
Neil wrote: 1) Causal Fallacy, which you didn't address. Do you even know what this is? 2) Victorian England 3) We already have laws limiting availability of military-grade weapons. Study American law before criticizing it 4) Ad Hominem
1) Your "Causal Fallacy" was about laws in your post below. As I said laws are not the solution. Removing the all to easy access to lethal weapons is. 2) England (I'm Scots btw) didn't have a pioneer style frontier full of murderous indians either. Even by "Victorian" times England was a settled country, as America is now, so you don't need to have the gun shop style availability anymore - The indians are not so aggressive these days. In Victorian times the majority of people couldn't afford the guns which these decadent days provide. 3) Obviously your laws are not working. Aurora and Columbine et al prove that fact. 4) Poor Neil.
Neil wrote: Several problems: 1) gun laws 2) Was the UK a crazy "Wild West" back in the Victorian era 3) An unstated appeal is being made to philosophical pragmatism: laws are justified
1) "gun laws"??? What I have been advocating all along Neil is to get rid of the arsenals in the malls and shopping centres. Leaving the gun shops there and fiddling with the justice system will never work. 2) I'm sure the "wild west" would have produced much more business for "Boot Hill" if they had M16's and AK47's in the local hardware store. The current spate of "Lone Ranger" multi-murderers the US has produced in the last couple of decades puts all the old cowboy days into the nursery stage. 3) "Philosophical pragmatism" Neil this is about the availability of military style arsenals and sophisticated modern weaponry being put into the ready hands of pathological killers as Aurora and next door Columbine demonstrate. Laws are made to be broken by sinners, as modern society adequately demonstrates. What America needs to do is get rid of the shopping mall armories and stop the multi-murders of innocent bystanders. As Christians you shouldn't be supporting these killing sprees by maintaining the logistics of them.
Rufus wrote: The problem, in this scenario, is not that one man had multiple guns in a theater but that multiple men in a theater did not have one gun.
If someone else had started firing there would have been a dangerous exchange of fire and more people could have been killed in a panic situation like that. That could make things worse.
When I have observed a gun shop on tv news They look as if they are decked out with every imaginable type of gun like a military arsenal. I have never in my life actually been into a gun shop even though I have been over to the US. But it is completely alien to my thinking to have such a shop in my home town. We just don't go there.
"The United Kingdom historically had one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world even before gun control legislation became stricter from the late twentieth century. In the United Kingdom in 2009 there were 0.07 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher, and for Germany 0.2." (Wiki)