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Stevenr wrote: And sorry, I'm on an iPhone. I can't go to links like you posted, so no clue what you are saying there.
From the link;
"In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.
Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
Seized from suspectâ€™s car in parking lot:
#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
The shooter used the Bushmaster .223 to murder 20 children and six adults inside the school; he used a handgun to take his own life inside the school. No other weapons were used in this crime. This case remains under investigation.
Jim Lincoln wrote: a] I always considered the United States something of a new Roman Empire something I'm really not that ashamed of, since it gives us the gumption to clean up other people's messes, e.g, World War 1 and 2.
b] John UK & others many of us Calvinistic people
a] Yes. Y'all did eventually join the war didn't you.
b] "Calvinistic" ??? Aaww ain't that close to the real McCoy???
Now all we gotta deal with is that Arminian Universalism of yours!!
Swordsman wrote: Notice that Jesus plainly and emphatically told Simon Peter and the others to arm themselves.
Trying to use this statement of Jesus about the disciples and swords is plainly ridiculous. At worst it is a lie at best it is inaccurate interpretation.
Christ advising them to carry a couple of swords between them must be related to the times they lived in and the dangers which they could meet on the roads with bandits and criminals. There was no justice and police back then.
To then use this statement by Christ to ARM an entire nation with assault rifles and other modern military style weapons is ludicrous.
The "Right to bear arms" has become the right to kill people - In other words it is lynch mob style justice which is NO justice.
Jesus was not suggesting for a moment that modern America - or any nation - should arm itself with the incredible selection of modern weaponry available in the 53thousand arsenal shops across America.
Jesus definitely wasn't even addressing the reprobates, which are the majority of people in all nations, that they should be allowed to amass/promote lynch mob justice by so called "Right to bear arms" - (Arm yourself and be prepared to kill at the drop of a hat) - in the laws of the land.
"the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic"
This won't curb the daily application of the "Right to Kill" ideology in America. More killings of children at schools or the daily murder total will continue to rise. It is the mind-set of 'right to kill' and lynch mob justice which needs to be treated before this carnage is overcome in the US. With over 53,000 gun shop arsenals distributed in all the shopping centres of the country a prohibition style control is needed to modify the gun-totting mentality that grows in Americans.
From the article; ""There was an old man with a face of remarkable kindness who attended every session. He told us that the Nazis had arrested him when they swept into France, and placed him in a prison camp where he was savagely beaten. Like Louis Zamperini in Japan, the Frenchman remained "unbroken." In fact, he said, he was thankful for the cruel treatment under the Nazis. "Why?" I asked. "Because it helped me learn how to forgive," he replied. That beats guns and bullets and bloodshed every time.""
Why look this story provides the very opposite of the "Right to bear arms" syndrome!!
"And thanks to draconian gun-control laws severely infringing on the French peopleâ€™s right to keep and bear arms, actual and potential victims of the ongoing slaughter have been left largely defenseless"
Oh here we go the "newamerican.com" wants the 'right to bear arms' in France too. Or as it should be called the right to kill. Or even the lynch mob rule and justice system.
Terrorists increasing their murderous attacks all over the world and the best solution they can offer apparently is lynch mob justice.
I wonder if the famous numerous gun shops of America also sell suicide belts too just so they can react like for like. The terrorist mentality is mindless killing and the solution is to return like for like - mindless killing????
For any Christians who might be reading here? Does sin prevent sin?
I guess there is no hope that after such criminality nations should try to restore law and order.
Logic??? Less gun availability means less murders. If America did not have this national obsession with guns then a lot more people would be alive today. The right to bear arms provides the "right to kill" - not the right to protect. Don't you "Christians" care?
(#) America has a problem with gun violence â€¢One in three people in the U.S. know someone who has been shot. â€¢On average, 32 Americans are murdered with guns every day and 140 are treated for a gun assault in an emergency room. â€¢Every day on average, 51 people kill themselves with a firearm, and 45 people are shot or killed in an accident with a gun. â€¢The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 20 times higher than the combined rates of 22 countries that are our peers in wealth and population. â€¢A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.
(#) Gun Violence Takes a Massive Toll on American Children â€¢More than one in five U.S. teenagers (ages 14 - 17) report having witnessed a shooting. â€¢An average of eight children and teens under the age of 20 are killed by guns every day." http://www.bradycampaign.org/about-gun-violence
Mike wrote: These had low cholesterol, therefore there is a relationship? Of the 79677 remaining how many also had "below the median" cholesterol, yet did not meet the criteria for criminal violence?
Perhaps Mike, you should suggest to Homeland Security that it would be a good idea for a "low cholesterol" test to be done on everybody entering the myriad of legal arsenals you support in the shopping malls.
These "meatless Mondays" recommended by USDA might be viewed by some as healthy eating but the risk taken by America with all these armories around could be the cause of the multi-kill sprees. Therefore you could recommend an increase of cholesterol, meat consumption, to reduce the criminal violence stats.
Perhaps obese America would be the safer option then gun shops would be irrelevant?
Article quote; "One simple way to reduce your environmental impact while dining at our cafeterias is to participate in the "Meatless Monday" initiative," the USDA newsletter said. "This international effort, as the name implies, encourages people not to eat meat on Mondays."
What America forgets is that many countries have compulsory meatless mondays, tuesdays, wednesdays, thursdays, fridays, saturdays and sundays.
Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) 30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Kyle wrote: I was not there, so I only know what I see on the news. If this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers, and they convict him, this guy should be executed by Christmas
If he is psychologically unstable - What then?
Quote; Referring to Holmes psychologist said... "He may be a longtime psychopath who turned to violence to show the world he could make a lasting mark, she said. Or he could have suffered a psychotic breakdown as recently as this spring, triggering his decision to drop out of graduate school, start buying weapons and launch his attack amid paranoid delusions, she said.
But, she added, the medications he could have been on during the hearing likely masked his true nature." CNN Justice
John Yurich USA wrote: I plan on amassing a firearms arsenal. By the time I am done I will have amassed over 20,000 firearms including military style firearms, rifles, pistols, shotguns and every other kind of firearm that has been manufactured.
Be careful what Satan and sin does with you after you have wasted your money on such a fruitless exercise with such weaponry.
Remember below, on another thread, (Catholic priest suggests Satan....) that you agree that Satan and sin do have an input into the life of the sinner. Both are powerful adversaries in the life of the mortal. I wouldn't want you to turn into a "Holmes"
Mike wrote: There are few monkeys with access to firearms in this area
Missing the point?
"We merged one-time cholesterol measurements on 79,777 subjects enrolled in a health screening project in Varmland, Sweden with subsequent police records for arrests for violent crimes in men and women aged 24-70 at enrollment; and with information on covariates. We performed a nested case control comparison of cholesterol in violent criminals - defined as those with two or more crimes of violence against others - to cholesterol in nonoffenders matched on age, enrollment year, sex, education and alcohol, using variable-ratio matching, with a nonparametric sign test.
RESULTS: One hundred individuals met criteria for criminal violence. Low cholesterol (below the median) was strongly associated with criminal violence in unadjusted analysis (Men: risk ratio 1.94. Age emerged as a strong confounder. Adjusting for covariates using a matching procedure, violent criminals had significantly lower cholesterol than others identical in age, sex, alcohol indices and education, using a nonparametric sign test.
CONCLUSIONS: Adjusting for other factors, low cholesterol is associated with increased subsequent criminal violence" (University of California)
Kyle wrote: It was his right to buy the gun. He was not exercising any right when he used it for murder. Why can't you make that distinction?
"It was his right to buy the gun" - Why do you think he bought the guns in the first place, just two months prior to the murderous attack? What reason was in his mind?
The ease and facilitating availability of military style hardware at the local shopping mall made it all to easy for this killer and others, eg Columbine and Virginia Tech in Blacksburg etc etc etc....