Kev wrote:
Us circled around Christ on a throne is I'm not so so sure a real throne

Matt. 19:28 ... when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory..

Matt. 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: ...

Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Kev wrote:
When he talks to the churches in chapter 2 and 3 was he talking about a vision or something he saw? In the great white throne judgement will they literally open up books? When they say worthy is the Lamb will there only be the specified amount of people in those verses who say that? Your missing the point that a literal approach is not the approach in everything that is given in visions and in dreams. You can't say the 144000 virgins has to be interpreted literal because you are suppose to have a literal interpretation of visions and dreams. The other things you asked about you have no idea if they will be literally fulfilled you and my answer to that would only be speculation.

Kev wrote:
You missed the content about my message being about VISIONS AND DARK SAYING when I started out with this line "So how can a "dark saying" be interpreted literally?"
Maybe I should of been clearer on that thanks though. That Kings passage is a warning though and is fulfilled as a sign that is different then prophetic visions which was my topic and more specifically it was about Rev. I didn't say that prophecy doesn't have a literal fulfillment I was talking about the interpreting of such passages as Rev.

Kev wrote:
God himself gave the hermeneutics for interpreting prophecy and he didn't say it was a literal approach he also shows where there is suppose to be a literal interpretation.

Note the words "come to pass" and "follow" (happen) looks like it was to be taken literally

from the prophet Micaiah in speaking of Ahab's prophecy

1 Kings 22:28  And Micaiah said, If thou return at all in peace, the LORD hath not spoken by me. And he said, Hearken, O people, every one of you

again prophecy of failure or triumph was to be taken literally

Prophet Agabus Acts 21:11 prophecy came to pass literally