Thank you for these responses. It makes us all think. This will be my last post on this thread. Im not running and hiding. I just feel we can do this until the Lord comes.
I've already said i have questions based on all kinds of things with this topic. It brings up other questions indirectly related to this topic as well. Im sure we can all agree that man is fallen, and CANNOT figure it all out. I expect deception to come through fallen man. So should all of us believers.
My main question about the curve math is still one that hasn't been addressed. So look into it if it interests you. If not, so be it.
My motive on this subject is the idea that God's creation could be more literal according to his word. The heliocentric model and how it was created I think contradicts a literal 7 Day creation as it is described in the word. God created the sun and moon and stars on day 4. The sun and its gravity was not the genesis.
Listen... my motive is not the glory of man. Its the glory of the Lord. He created it, and is blessed forever. Amen.
Thanks. We'll see if those nonstop flights come to fruition. This has happened before, when because of "lack of interest" they are cancelled.
I found out about all of this 2 years ago. So im not speaking as though i heard of it yesterday. And frankly, i don't ponder it all the time. It came up on this site, so i discussed it.
The math is the issue. I don't trust it. I use it against itself. I use there own math to prove that the curve of the earth is not what they say it is. Thats my main argument. Everything else is debatable in my opinion.
And of course, i heard about this from "flat earth teachers". But i examined it before commenting on it.
Take care. And God bless. Putting this to rest for now. Good night.
From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God,
From the throne came flashes of lightning, and Rumblings and peals of thunder, and Before the Throne we're burning seven torches of Fire, which are the seven spirits of God, and Before the Throne there was as it were a sea of glass...
Our God is electric.
We know from scripture that the Lord holds all things together. Hmm...ūü§Ē i like that! ūüėä
Thanks for the response. I must say that i disagree. What you say is based on the math and theory of relatively based on gravity. A nameless, faceless force that i don't think exists. Electromagnetism(as its called) holds more weight with me (no pun intended). I like what tesla said here...
"Also later in 1935 when speaking with The New York Times, Tesla was critical of Einstein stating that his theory of relativity was ‚Äúa beggar wrapped in purple whom ignorant people take for a king‚ÄĚ and ‚Äúa mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of the past and even to common sense‚Ä¶ the theory wraps all these errors and fallacies and clothes them in magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors‚Ä¶. its exponents are very brilliant men, but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved."
What rotates around earth, rotates around magnetic north.
The most sense. The flight patterns are particularly interesting with this particular "conspiracy"(if you will).
It's clear you are all missing the point of what I've been trying to convey. It's not the shape of the earth that I say it is. It's the shape of the earth that they say it is.
Look into the math of the curve. If you want to know about this, test it out. But to go to experts and teachers to make your Arguments for you doesn't fly with me.
* I'm not just saying you personally. I'm speaking to most of the people posting on this thread who keep posting links and things that other people say, and not addressing the math that I brought up about the curvature that the Earth is supposed to have under the current model that we are taught.
I rarely if ever bring this topic up in everyday life. If the opportunity presents itself, I have to discern how a certain individual might receive it. I also have to have the discernment to know what information carries the most weight with different individuals. The same holds true when preaching the gospel the way that I do on the job. But this topic ,depending on how I feel the person receives it ,leads into the gospel. But most of these people I speak of have already heard the gospel from me. Hope that helps.
As far as claiming that brothers and sisters have been in space and seen it. I'm not aware of any brothers and sisters that I know who have done this. We all know that not all who claim to be Believers are believers.
As far as distance between let's say the tip of South America to the tip of South Africa. This is one of the most interesting parts of it. Try to find a nonstop flight from Buenos Aires Argentina to Cape Town South Africa. You will find they almost always divert to a stop in Bahrain or somewhere near there. That seems absurd? If you look on a globe, a straight shot across the Atlantic Ocean, or better yet across Antarctica makes the most sense. You cannot find a flight going over the continent of Antarctica. It doesn't exist. Why not? It makes
I would remind you that just like me, we were once ignorant of Christ. And we were both at one time ignorant of this topic. So i would just encourage you to be gentle and merciful in all your discussions. Just as the Lord is gentle and merciful to us.
Something to consider please... the bible teaches that the earth is fixed and immovable. Tje bible does not teach that the earth spins and moves around a centered sun. Lets start with the bible. If someone can prove biblically the " accepted " model, im all ears.
Again... i still have many questions that have to be answered.
May main concern on this topic(as it should be for all of you) is proving the math.
We can go to websites from Christian scientists and make claims based on what they say. But many of us have been Led astray in times past by doing the same thing in regards to Bible teaching. We can sit in a church house and listen to a teacher speaking from the pulpit and be led astray. But what do most of us on this board do. We go to the Lord and his word. Once he opens our eyes we can discern false teaching. So don't make the same mistake when it comes to scientists. You are all smart people. The Lord has given you that mind. I realize this is very hard to even consider. It's not for everybody. I once again the only thing that matters is doing the Lord's will and walking with him.
Then there is the felix Baumgartner redbull aky dive. They had the fisheye lense that showed the "curve" of the earth. Well, he did the jump from new Mexico. Look at the footage again. Does new Mexico cover the whole earth? Because as far as you can see across the whole curve of the Earth is the plane of New Mexico.
From everything ive seen there is a "flatness" to the earth and the horizon irregardless to height. You ask for a defined shape. I have no clue. Ive already stated that unless i see it from the Lord's point of view i won't make an exact claim. The issue isn't me declaring the shape. The issue is the shape that is declared to us by the experts.. A sphere 25,000 miles across at the equator. The sphere must be proven. Thats the point.
The 90 miles from Catalina that i speak of is an altitude of about 3500'. You might say "ahh ha!". But it still comes down to math. The highest point of Catalina is roughly 2100'. But remember your on a ball. Not only is the object 5400' over the curve, the object is curving away from you. So seeing flat water behind it is still mathematically impossible.
The math must be addressed.
There is a famous video on line of a weather man in Michigan showing a photo of the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away. You can see it perfectly on a clear day with the right lense. Ypu know what he said? "You should not be able to see it. What you see in the picture is a mirage." Lol. Than he goes on to explain light refraction as the reason. I say hogwash.