Anybody remember these words? 1Co 1:10-13 ESV I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. (11) For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. (12) What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ." (13) Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? Somehow Paul knew that identifying yourself as(insert denomination) before you identified yourself as a disciple of Christ would bring trouble. Stay Blessed
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. John Gill; which also I hate; all sin is hateful to Christ, being contrary to his nature, to his will, and to his Gospel; and whatever is hateful to him should be to his people; and where grace is, sin will be hateful, both in themselves and others; and men's deeds may be hated when their persons are not; and hatred of sin is taken notice of by Christ, with a commendation, The nicolaitans were sinfull, look it up. Stay blessed
GJ, I could do more, no question. Here is something else I would like you to consider. It's the reason I do not hate the sinner. It's to bad I did not remember it earlier. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, STRIFE,(of which I will repent),seditions, heresies, Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It seems evident that every time we try to win an argument, instead of glorifing God, we lose. I apologize for my attitude. I do have to thank you all. This has made dig into the word, and stand for what I believe in, even though ,at the time , I did not realize why. God bless all.
Nope, I do not need to repent of that sin. I was wondering when someone would accuse me of that. This is all about hating ANY SINNER. Here is what you asked for: Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou HATEST THE DEEDS of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. As for your use of Luke, Luk 14:26 - Adam Clarke commentary And hate not - Matthew, Mat_10:37, expresses the true meaning of this word, when he says, He who loveth his father and mother More than me. In Mat_6:24, he uses the word hate in the same sense. When we read, Rom_9:13, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated, the meaning is simply, I have loved Jacob - the Israelites, more than Esau - the Edomites; and that this is no arbitrary interpretation of the word hate, but one agreeable to the Hebrew idiom, appears from what is said on Gen_29:30, Gen_29:31, where Leahâs being hated is explained by Rachelâs being loved more than Leah. See also Deu_21:15-17; and Bishop Pearce on this place. See also the notes on Mat_10:37 (note). here is Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. How is hating them going to bring them to repentance? Of course we cannot tolerate what they do. That is not,nor ever has been the issue.
Can anyone show me where in the bible where Jesus said to Hate the sinner? Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Why, If Father hated the sinner so much, why would He bother sending Jesus for us? Why did He forgive Adam and Eve? Hate the sinner does not stand up to scripture. Here is a correction: Psalm 5:5 is David talking about God, not God talking thru David. Rom 5:8 But God commendeth HIS LOVE toward us, in that, WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, Christ died for us. Do you think these people cannot be saved thru the blood?
I need to ask everyone's forgiveness for the harshness of my post. I guess it's frustration. I stand on my postion of abhoring sin, but not the sinner. Mat 5:44 but I say unto you, Love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you; Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. Yet I do know what Father said thru David and the prophets; Psa 5:5 The arrogant shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. So once again I apologize to all. As Job said; Job 31:6 Let me be weighed in an even balance, that God may know mine integrity. God bless you all and keep you safe.
Thanks Kenny for your honesty. I, like you, do not believe we should "hate" period. Yes "hate " is an extremely tough word. Does anybody "hate" what they do because it keeps them out of Heaven? Maybe this is why Father "hates" those that work iniquity. It keeps them from Him. Anybody ever think of that?
Forgive me if I gave the impression that we were not to stand against their sin, we are absolutely. To hate what they do is not unscriptural. Why doesn't what Jesus said take precedence over the what was said in the Old Testament? Mat 5:43-48 LITV You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor" and hate your enemy; Lev. 19:18 (44) but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those abusing and persecuting you, (45) so that you may become sons of your Father in Heaven. Because He causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and unjust. (46) For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax-collectors do the same? (47) And if you only greet your brothers, what exceptional thing do you do? Do not the tax-collectors do so? (48) Therefore, you be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
Just for clarification: ISBE DEFINITION Hate; Hatred hāt, hāÂ´tred (verb, שׂנא, sānē', âoftenest,â שׂטם, sāṭam, Gen_27:41, etc.; noun, שׂנאה, sin'āh; μισέω, miséō: A feeling of strong antagonism and dislike, generally malevolent and prompting to injury (the opposite of love); sometimes born of moral resentment. Alike in the Old Testament and New Testament, hate of the malevolent sort is unsparingly condemned (Num_35:20; Psa_109:5; Pro_10:12; Tit_3:3; 1Jo_3:15), but in the Old Testament hatred of evil and evil-doers, purged of personal malice, is commended (Psa_97:10; Psa_101:3; Psa_139:21, Psa_139:22, etc.). THE NEW TESTAMENT LAW SOFTENS THIS FEELING AS REGARDS TO PERSONS,BRINGING IT UNDER THE HIGHER LAW OF LOVE(Mat_5:43, Mat_5:14; compare Rom_12:17-21), while intensifying the hatred of evil (Jud_1:23; Rev_2:6). God himself is hated by the wicked (Exo_20:5; Psa_139:21; compare Rom_8:7). Sometimes, however, the word âhateâ is used hyperbolically in a relative sense to express only the strong preference of one to another. God loved Jacob, but hated Esau (Mal_1:3; Rom_9:13); father and mother are to be hated in comparison with Christ (Luk_14:26; compare Mat_10:37). See ENMITY
Here we go again. Father will judge them when they die. Until then, we are to show them that, while their sin is an abomination to the Lord, Father loves them as His creation. It is not the sin unto death in 1st John 5:16, and can be forgiven. What I believe is that there is too much hate being preached in some of these comments, and I've had enough of it. bye bye
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. All I can say is I guess we should be gratefull for the little good that he does do. If your looking for perfection out of ANYONE that calls himself a christian, then you will always be disappointed. Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Chris M is right. As long as the bible stays on the plane it should be allowed. As the plane is allowed to land in Saudi Arabia, the plane itself is still British property. Untill the law is changed 1Pe 2:11 Dear friends, I urge you as aliens and exiles to keep on abstaining from the desires of the flesh that wage war against the soul. 1Pe 2:12 Continue to live such upright lives among the gentiles that, when they slander you as evildoers, they may see your good works and glorify God when he visits them in judgment. 1Pe 2:13 For the Lord's sake submit yourselves to every human authority: whether to the king as supreme, 1Pe 2:14 or to governors who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right. 1Pe 2:15 For it is God's will that by doing right you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 1Pe 2:16 Live like free people, and do not use your freedom as an excuse for doing evil. Instead, be God's servants.
Voice, I understand what you are saying, and granted, the US has not been a paragon of virtue in their dealings. Yet,I personally would rather see sadam as a martyr than in some prison plotting the overthrow of the current government and possibly the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's who opposed him. It would seem that the Iraqi people are willing to sacrifice for the freedom to choose. God bless you and yours.