They are both as the article states: ".. ordained ministers of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel." Judgement on an ordained woman minister? I see the irony: having a problem with gender in relation to performing marriages but not having a problem with God's Word in relation to gender as far as ordination of ministers. Plus...the many false notions which the Church of the Foursquare Gospel perpetuate...just some thoughts.
Thank you for your comments, Jim Lincoln and Michael Hranek. The truth is always refreshing. I left a church that I had been with for 14 years because they couldn't wait to go to Heaven to see Billy Graham. Of course, they were beginning to embrace ecumenism, women preachers, Warren's books and methods,etc. In fact, I had just heard from a woman preacher that speaks there from time to time. I was trying to explain to her that the "Jesus" of the rc church is a different Jesus from Scripture. I told her that the "Jesus" of the rc church has to become a victim to be be re-sacrificed again and again and that His propitiation was of no-effect in that system because works/sacraments are added to it. The mass alone is reason alone to come out of that church, never mind practically every other false teaching which is part and parcel to it.
Perhaps I did read more into your comment, Martin. I apologize. I don't believe that one is limiting God in suggesting that the earth is young, which you don't seem to take to task as well.I do think that Scripture is our best resource as to what took place in the beginning. That I would not question. The fixed constants that you suggest which may have been altered due to supernatural events (like the time of the fall or the worldwide flood) are not problematic with that which is observed. Science and the Bible are very complementary. And many creation scientists would attest to that.
Trollspotter wrote:"... the majority of Psalms only advocates are Presbys - you know the chosen frozen with no feelings toward God." We all,including myself, need to be mindful of the words that we speak.Your statement about the "frozen chosen" (which is a very popular catch phrase among charismatics,particularly) is one which labels and judges people. I think that you would be very surprised how many of the so-called "frozen chosen" are very meek,God-loving,worshipers.From what I have seen, most of the quieter, meeker Christians are much more closer to God than the very loud, overtly, running- down- the- aisles Christians.I'm speaking of fruit here. And meekness is a fruit of the Spirit.
Martin,God can do anything but natural laws do not conflict with what Scripture says; They,all the more,confirm it.The concept of evolution would be contrary to the Bible.A world that has death and dying in it prior to sin negates what God's Word says...don't know whether or not you have ever been to the answersingenesis.org website, but it offers answers to any and practically every related subject matter dealing with science/natural laws/thermodynamics,etc. I wouldn't question your profession as a Christian but,supporting the idea of evolution, for example, would negate Scripture. I guess you could be "respectful" but, with all due respect,incorrect in your assessment.
Again,no surprises.Truth, in general, runs contrary to the rc church. Thank you, Dorcas,for the additional info regarding the first 11 chapters of the Bible. I know that many catholics in the course of conversation do not place much value on the Bible. A common response from them, when quoting a passage, is "that's just written by man." Dorcas, again, it is always encouraging and a blessing to hear from one who has come out of that mess.You have a valuable testimony! We pray for those dear ones still ensnared in that cult.
For those who could,at least,try to fool others into believing that there are such things as Christian catholics- I would imagine that it would be next to impossible to attend a church which undermines the propitiation of Christ alone/once if one was truly saved. One cannot act contrary to how one believes. It is not "stunning" that the rc church is laxer on what the Bible calls an abomination; they don't value the contents of the Bible nearly as much as they esteem their misguided magisterium. No surprises here.
True worship is the right state of the heart and is ongoing. Carnality has nothing to do with it. Churches which rightly divide the Word of God could easily get along just as well without music. There would probably be a lot fewer churches then but they would most likely be the ones with which we would be better off without any way. And Christian radio stations would make for better listening without all of the whiny/breathy singers too.
...based on some of these comments which suggests that the natural senses are prerequisite in worship,I have to ask: Cannot the naturally blind,mute and deaf person worship the Lord in Spirit and in truth as well as those who can see, speak and hear? I think Pink expressed it quite well and there are no examples necessary to be given of worship which exclude the senses.
If this country wanted to be even more accurate in naming "holidays", they wouldn't refer to them as "holidays" at all. "Holiday" comes from "holy day". God hasn't given us any so we could drop the so called ones altogether- a concept that would, undoubtedly, ruffle a lot feathers, especially of the rc stock.
Thank you so much for your comments, ladybug.Having been in the position as one who has played an instrument in the church,I can speak from some experience.What I find in practically all churches which look for a musician, is the very high value that they place on such. This is disturbing but a some what valid perspective if a church is looking to draw more people in to it which I think is a poor objective. Most churches that are big on the numbers are, conversely, small on substance. While music can be used as an aid in worship, the best worship is in an obedient lifestyle from a thankful heart to God. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
Pursuit,"the exaggerated news coverage" is the bigger piece of the problem. They are consistent,however-consistently in error. Anything for sensationalism and the general populace eats it up. Don't these people/rioters work? Oh, that's right...most of them are under the umbrella of this present administration and don't have to.And it is much easier to maintain a "victim" mentality than to have to deal with ones' actual shortcomings/sins.
I'm thinking that any atheists who would go there to make trouble, will go there any way. Having prospective employees write a faith statement isn't a bad idea but there are, after all, many "Christian" colleges and businesses which hire professing Christians. These are much more dangerous than the in-your-face atheists. Even in churches, there are the wheat and tares. Ultimately, any employee who "makes trouble", won't be an employee for very long. This is a principle that holds true even in secular businesses.
Christopher, what others think of us pales in comparison to what God thinks of us. Often times other peoples' opinions are based on subjective feelings or limited information. It is a curious topic that you have brought to the table. If you care to expound, I would be interested as to whether or not you were born again at this point. You had mentioned that your wife, at the time, was. I also realize that while experiences can be very profound, they're not always the best test as to reality. I'm not suggesting that you imagined all of this, merely pointing out that the only reliable experience to stand on will always be in alignment with the Word. And while this experience could be of benefit in suggesting that we are not alone. Isn't the greatest confirmation of that established in the Bible in that God will never leave us or forsake us? The other side to that is a more sobering one; God is omniscient and it is good for us to examine ourselves to see that we are in the faith.
A fine point,Jim Lincoln. I might add that a society which once held to Christian values but then succumbs to that which is more carnal,is often times under the judgment of God. He merely hands it over to that which it has "idolized".
When you mentioned "...the darkest, blackest space you have ever seen", it brought to mind a dream that I had once. It turned out to be a warning as to the spiritual condition of someone who was very close to me. I was lying in bed and could see the person who was close to me sitting at a desk in the bedroom..the darkest, blackest covered this person. I soon found out that this person was living a very sinful lifestyle and involved with very nefarious people. I think that God reveals information to us along those lines when we may be better able to pray for such. If I recall correctly, Christopher, you had at one point in your life been involved with drugs? Forgive me if my recollection is in error. Not one of us is without sin so I'm not making a judgment call. I do know that dabbling in drugs or the occult might result in manifestations of the dark or even, as you had mentioned, astral projections. ...just some thoughts I would also suggest that listening to programs like that popular one on late night radio which uses witchcraft,aliens,ufos and such as topics for discussion can be detrimental in a Christian's spiritual growth as well.
I'm just wondering who would want to work there if they didn't believe in the biblical flood. If they did, they would still have to comply with employee guidelines. I guess that it's conceivable that in the event that an unbeliever was hired that they would be persuaded by the evidence/Bible that there was indeed a flood and end up being converted in the process.