If some of the students "... decide they do not fit into either category" (boy or girl) then they need to shut down the school. If they haven't been taught this very basic principle, or if they have been taught to "reinterpret" this information (as to whether or not they are male or female) with the facts,clearly,before them...they're intellectually challenged. And it's a wonder how they can believe everything comes from nothing? I just have to wonder how they can determine whether or not their a sodomite/homosexual without understanding which gender they are to begin with. Before deciding what you're "proclivity" is,wouldn't that be pretty necessary? In light of this,wouldn't it just follow that because one is gender- confused that they will have to scrap terms like "homosexual","lesbian" and "heterosexual" and their misnamed concept- "gay". "Gay" never meant "perverted" to begin with. How can one "decide" that they are a lesbian, if they don't know that they're female to begin with?
Michael,again thank you for your concern. I think that we are guilty of "adding to the Word" by celebrating the birth of Christ on the assigned rc date. None of us know when He was incarnated although it is very likely that it would have been during the Feast of Tabernacles (when God "tabernacled" among us). We know that it was an historical event but God did not give us the date so we are being disingenuous in going along with an assigned date, particularly, from a deceptive source.If truth matters,then we compromise in this regard. As far as the sabbath- I'm sure that I have much more to learn. Obviously, the Jewish sabbath days,new moons and holy days would have no application to us (Galatians 4,Romans 14:5-6). I understand that our Sabbath now is the completed work of Christ. Christ fulfilled the law where we could not.I don't take issue with which day one assembles to worship the Lord. I would suggest that when people do worship on a particular day that only a small part of the day is set aside for such any way. How many will go to church and then watch sports or shop,etc.? I say this only to point out that even then, we miss the mark. Personally, I think that every day belongs to the Lord.
S. Derstle, how can a Christian not rejoice in what the Lord has done? God gave us His beloved, only begotten Son; Rome gave us an assigned day with a profane title which we wisely,initially rejected. I used to be a strong advocate in defense of "c-mass" until I examined it. I think that if one is going to do something in the name of Christ, that one ought to have a clear understanding as to why they're doing it other than for the feeling that they get in so partaking. I have found many speakers and pastors on SA to be very valuable in their presentation of the alignment of facts with the Bible particularly Andrew Webb - strange fire and profane worship.
John Yurich wrote "... Luther was under the guidance of the Holy Spirit to retain the celebration of the Birth of Jesus in the Lutheran Church..." I know that it is an alien concept to the rc church which you attend, but man is fallible. We don't follow man, we follow God. Michael, I did address the Sabbath on a much earlier thread; The Sabbath is in the Bible; the mass of Christ is not. Culture and background are immaterial in the matter as they are changing and ,rarely, grounded in truth. ...probably why God warned of us of the vain traditions of men and warned the Christians not to fall back into the observances/days of what was foreshadowed but was yet fulfilled in Christ (His complete work). S. Derstle, You are not part of the angelic host and the only " ...sign unto you (us)... of a babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger... is the plastic, abominable "reproduction" in an annual "nativity scene". I say "abominable" because plastic cannot adequately represent God Almighty.
And Michael,not trying to ignore you.I think that you mean well and should always be concerned that we not be in error with doctrine. Not mixing that which is holy with that which is profane is doctrinal.For starters, the word "c-mass" in and of itself does just that. You may not participate in an actual mass or this word may "mean" something else to you. But,the fact of the matter is that, it was meant to mean the rc mass and it still does whether you want to acknowledge that or not. Hopefully, you wouldn't mix or use Christ's name with the word "harlotry". We should be careful how we use words. Words need to retain some absolute value or we end up will subjective words like "marriage". This is the danger of compromising truth and mixing some truth with lies. Everything becomes subjective and then anything goes. This is why "gays" want to "marry". The slope of compromise is slippery indeed. For starters, if we want to honor the Lord, we ought not to take His name in vain in doing so nor use it for an excuse to partake of idolatry. I,of course,don't know people's hearts but I do know that I,for one,could try to validate a tradition that caters to sentimentality all in the name of Jesus,if I was so inclined.
S. Derstle said "...Question:: Was it wrong of the angelic host of heaven to celebrate the birth of Christ in this way?" I'll ask did the Christians before us miss out on something when Rome christianized a pagan celebration which they refused to celebrate? I don't think that any Christian who refuses to celebrate a day which is named for Christ and the ugly mass which was birthed out of a harlot church in 400 bc doesn't appreciate the Lord's incarnation. Rather, I would suggest that they love it even more as they do not diminish it as Rome has! We look forward to his second coming (advent). Some of us are more elderly than others, no doubt, on this thread, but it's highly unlikely that any one on here was present at Christ's Incarnation; the angelic host were as noted in the Bible. This was an historic event. In case some don't know, the wise men weren't at the manger either. Obviously,we don't rehearse/do what angels and others have done just because they did it at one time. Context matters. Jennifer makes a very valid point/observation. We would do the world a favor by opting out of this mess. Yes, "mess". Any "good" that we do this time of the year, we should be doing the rest of the year any way. And,nothing good has come from Rome.
Thank you, Jim, for the input "...We can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life" (CCC, 2027)." This would explain why most RCs do not have the assurance of Salvation.I,for one,certainly,would not want my assurance of going to Heaven to be based on anything that I have done or have failed to do. And,Frank,thank you,as well, for your comment. What you posted "...We were taught that if someone wanted something from Jesus, then we were to ask His mother because children always obeyed their mothers..." -is a very common response that I have heard when asking why a catholic prays to Mary. I'm so glad to hear that you came out of that too. Thanks be to our Lord! We'll keep praying for John Yurich.
Mike CW stated "...that their kid was already exposed to this godless sexuality..." Very true. Is this article even true in it's presentation of the actual parents' responses? It seems very curious to me that most of what the average parent allows their children to be exposed to could be too much different than what the curriculum of the PP offers. PP is just catching up.
John stated "... Anybody who does not worship Jesus as God is demon possessed." ...like the rcc? An inept "jesus" who needs a co-mediatrix and "priests" dressed in clownish apparel to do his bidding is not the true God and is not worshiped as such.
John, the Jesus who you say and the rcc says is "... the ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD"..." is not the Jesus of the bible Who...is our High Priest, has completed the work of atonement,was born in the flesh to Mary, who was in need of a Savior and who was not on par or above Christ,nor is a co-mediatrix who later had other children,etc. etc. etc. Just in case you are unaware of the rcc catechism...the rcc believes in confessing to fallible men to mediate for us who call themselves "priests", the unfinished propitiation of their "christ" which has to be called down over and over to be a victim which you physically eat, born to a woman who is not the same Mary of the bible because the rc Mary was sinless, ETC ETC ETC Don't you know what the mass is? If you did, as a truly born again Christian, you wouldn't partake. I think that you either like to play games, are severely challenged in your reasoning capacity or just like some kind of,even if it's negative,dialogue.
Well, you are consistent,faulty...consistently putting words in my mouth... and your foot in yours. You said, and I quote," You on the other hand would have been much happier had the player said something bad instead of something good. Really??? You have quite an imagination. The topic of cheerleaders was brought up because I had a problem with someone calling themselves a Christian who chooses to be on a field with girls in their underwear. - a bit of an inconsistency...along with the misuse of the word "saint". I no where stated that I wish that this fellow had said something negative, although, if he had, it wouldn't have seemed incongruous.
I read the link, postings. It's certainly not anything that one would find in one of those heart warming bios of BG or from the lips or posts of his many devoted,very devoted, alarmingly devoted fans. Dolores,the crusades,specifically, are/were subsidized by the rcc. Does this matter to you or do you prefer to be blind in the matter? Willfully ignoring facts is ignorance.
Again, Unprofitable, I appreciate your heart in the matter and gracious post. As long as the mass of Christ is celebrated amongst those who named this "holiday", one cannot pretend that the real meaning of it has changed. By pointing out the obvious, I had hoped that some might set aside their "conditioned" predisposition to this day and look to see if indeed this vain tradition is a Biblical principle. Just the word, in and of itself, no rhetoric needed here, should be the first clue. I suppose that you would celebrate it if a harlot in 400 bc renamed the "holiday", integrated it into the "Christian" church and had attached an equally ugly word to Christ? Most educated Christians don't actually do "mass"...why would they go along with the word "mass", vehemently I might add, being connected with the name of Christ? The problem, aside from simple reason, seems to be in the interpretation and inclusiveness of this tradition along with the days mentioned in the Bible as to what is allowed to be just ones' conviction. The implications of misinterpreting this passage are great. We are not to mix that which is profane with that which is holy. "Mass" is profane for starters. ...a simple fact. It's good that this topic is open; some may examine it more thoroughly.
John wrote " as long as the church worships Him as God." There's your first clue. They may call Him "God" but their Jesus is not the One in the Bible; the One in the Bible is our High Priest, has completed the work of atonement,was born in the flesh to Mary, who was in need of a Savior and who was not on par or above Christ, nor is a co-mediatrix who had other children,etc. etc. etc
Unprofitable, It's never a loss to be reminded of how pagans celebrate this grossly misnamed "holiday". Maybe it will help to open our eyes as to what it really is all about. Obviously, the world is not celebrating Jesus. We have Christ; the joy of our Lord is our strength; we don't need to find "joy" in a day. We have Christ every day of the year. People would think we were foolish to be dropping "merry c-mass" bombs year round. If it wasn't a blasphemous expression, it would be interesting to see one try to use it at some other time of the year since we have such freedom to exploit Him for our own gain - all well-meaning,of course..
Thank you, Dorcas,for the Scripture. You'll have to give it to the rcc on this one point: Because of this popish "holy day", it is the one time of the year that they have managed to get many Christians to put "Mary",er,I mean,"Merry" BEFORE Christ in their parroted,meaningless,sterile,cold,rote "Merry c-mass" expression.