I'm sorry but I have a child in second grade currently and I'm sorry but it is my RIGHT if I don't want them lurning this....It should be were a child can be singed out when a parent dose not want there child at a young age consurned with this matter.....We can't bring a Bible into school but this is ok......Hummmmmmm
Yes we have test too check our children too see if they have Downs but not all people would abort a child if they found out.....Some look into the Furture of that baby and lurn as much as they can too help that child out!!! I think in the long run if you play God it will blow up in your face!!!
Thank you Micheal, I've packed a bag and the town is opening the hall. I live in an area called the tri-state bordering VT and Mass. We are in a rural mountain area with lots of water ways. My son said their is only one road not closed and that was a couple of hours ago. We are waiting and watching, and the Lord is showing me, I'm not trusting Him, pray I will. I know how to pray for the weaker vessels and the men from my vantage point. The Lord grant us all our chief end to glorify Him.
Just an aside, the bridge next to my house just collapsed. The town road crew got my neighbors and young children out they said. I heard the bridge and road go down, it all happened so fast. The water is rising fast, and the center of the storm is due at 6 PM. Men folk aren't worried. I'm a little scared. Prayers for those in NY close to water appreciated.
John UK wrote: 1. I'm still trying to work out if there is a difference between my beliefs and the beliefs of covenanters, Ruth. Have you spotted any thus far?...
1. No John, but I have noted that most men are better with words, so I try not to miss something I need to understand in order to keep up in the Scriptural argument presented. 2.You quoted 3 texts, to which are you referring? 3. revisit Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. kingdom(s)bot places. In Matthew 25:31-46 The Lord addresses the moral persons of nations as individual nations; yet their will be men at the Judgment seat accounting for their own response in their place calling and station. 4.I need no man to teach me in one sense if I have the unction of the Spirit and I do by grace, yet I need Pastors and teachers as Christ's under shepherds also as it is written in Ephes.4 God is Good John, I know we agree on that!
John UK wrote: So God's covenant of grace is "a promise" to Abraham and his seed. And we are "children of promise" to match, as in Galatians 4:28, spiritually descendents of Abraham.
John, so far we agree, I don't believe I have said anything contrary to what you just stated. However, unless you've rethought some of your former views, I know we still have some differences in the application of these Scriptures. This is where, I believe the Ministry is meant to come in. We agree, we have some restraints here, regarding teacher. That is why I rely so heavily on the teachers in antiquarian books 'old paths' Canticles 1:8; . See Jeremiah 6:2-4 and consider.
I am still making a distinction between the Israel of God spiritual and the land of Judah temporal, because I believe all Israel 'spiritual' shall be saved. And the kingdom's' of this world, will become the Kingdom's' of our Lord and of His Christ. Do you see?
SteveR wrote: On another thread I outlined who some RCUS churches have Christmas trees next to their pulpits as they condemn idolatry of other Christians. Idolatry is an abomination Should their members quit?
Churches with such holyday trees have a poor understanding of the word of God; therefore many of their people would not even know that it was wrong, not having been well taught. But if one was to come under conviction, from the Scripture and better teachers it would be hoped that they'd follow Matthew 18; however, it is rare to find two to agree close enough, in this back-slidden time to proceed with the right steps of discipline. It being broken when government is broken either in Church or State; separate institutions, under God, as either Creator-civil or Redeemer-church
I read the following on Yahoo News related to the east coast earth quake in VA, in an article about the weakened Irene and this caught my attention:
"I was telling people, 'All I can say is we all better go to church on Sunday,'" Mayor Pam Harlowe said. "But unfortunately a bunch of them are closed."
I for one am humbled by God's mercy, not giving us what we deserve, He is aware that we in NY are not much different then Jonah's Ninevites. But we can still give thanks right where we are all settled in; "to render thanks unto the Lord it is a comely thing and to thy Name of thou most High due praise aloud to sing, thy loving kindness to show forth when shines the morning light and to declare thy faithulness with pleasure every night"
John UK wrote: Hi Ruth Is this the covenant to which you refer: Hebrews 10:12-17 KJV
Good Sabbath John, Your text from Hebrews, where the apostle Paul addresses all Christians, for all time, was especially addressed to Jewish NT saints, Yes? He is giving a reference to them to prove that Christ is the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophesy Jer.31:33
Romans 11:28-30 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.('irrevocable' and we know God never fails to keep His part) For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:" This and many other Scriptures indicates to me, God relates to His Church, which is One (Ephesians, the Epistle) through covenants and they respond to Him by that grace and mercy He has extended to them in the Covenant of Grace; which had been foreshadowed in all the other OT covenants that preceded their fulfillment in Christ. John, it is only the doctrines that are specifically removed by apostolic teaching in the NT that are not continuous for all time. Though now, in the light of the NT, these doctrines are better understood in all thei
Rax wrote: 1. I commend you on your expert sarcastic tone....
Rax I considered before the Lord you retort in the night watches. 1. I believe it was more skepticism then intended sarcasm, if sarcasm there in part, it is at times appropriate. Were you not doing the same to 'commending my expert sarcastic tone', when you can't hear my tone. Weren't you were actually challenging me to consider to whom I was speaking? I don't know to whom I am speaking. 2. I said 'true Scottish Presbyterians' emphasis 'true' not perfect, faithful not sinless. Mr. Gillespie and Durham clearly held what you call 'a romantic historic position'. It was pointed out on the Puritan Board recently that it was the early church's eschatalogical position. 3. I can prove my heritage both by blood and faith. You don't fear for your body, I have been tempted to it, but by different opposing factors then you mention, outside the covenants' wall of protection. My fear of Roman Anglicanism is for my soul related to a broken covenant. 4. Joshua 24; Joshua as a prophetic type of Christ said he and his house would serve the Lord. No one can keep covenant outside the Covenant of Grace; no true Covenanter ever did, nor ever will.
Mike wrote: God is a Scot? I thought he was an Englishman.
The God of the Scripture relates to His people through the means of Covenants, that he initiates with men.
Numbers 23:18-19 "And he took up his parable, and said, Rise up, Balak, and hear; hearken unto me, thou son of Zippor: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Who said anything about the end of the world? I must have missed that. Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
I read a sermon on Wednesday evening by John Welwood on this text. He anticipated God's righteous judgment on covenant breakers in this life as did the Apostle Paul; but it is also true "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." I think it good to be ever ready. Rev.14:9-12 " And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." This speaks of eternal readiness to my generation, and the next.
Rax wrote: No I am a Scottish Presbyterian where the covenanters fought and died for this type of church government. The reason I pointed out the reference to Calvin was to show that the Reformers were not all totally against episcopacy.
That's nice; as you mention, some of the earlier Reformers were still reforming. Phil.3:16 "Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing." But later in history our Covenants were clearly against Paganism, Popery, Prelacy, Erastianism, Independency, Sectarianism, and Malignancy. I know of no true Scottish Presbyterian that thinks the Covenants are a mute point. You are Scottish, good for you; that is if you are the faithful to the Covenants and if not you will answer to God and to no other.
Rax wrote: He was not an exclusive or bigoted Presbyterian.
John Calvin was a man. He was used of God, I grant, however it is where Calvin follows the Scripture, we follow Calvin and where he departs from it, we depart from following him.
You are a Prelate and I a Presbyterian. Presbyterianism is the form of Church Government most agreeable to the Scriptures of BOTH the Old and New Testaments. Mr. Rutherford in Lex Rex and Mr. Gillespie in Aaron's Rod Blossoming clearly proved from the Scripture both forms of Government to be preferred, whether in Church or State as separate institutions. You would keep these together to maintain power. It is written: John 19:10-12 "Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? Jesus answered, THOU COULDEST HAVE NO POWER AT ALL AGAINST ME, EXCEPT IT WERE GIVEN THEE FROM ABOVE: THEREFORE HE THAT DELIVERED ME UNTO THEE HATH THE GREATER SIN. And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar." The Crown and the Covenants are Christ's and He will vindicate His own Glory.
As a New Yorker, awaiting the verdict of how the Sovereign God of all the earth, judges it best to execute his decrees, I muse and meditate on the Lord my Righteousness and the Glory that is due to Him ONLY as Creator and Redeemer. God is a Spirit, Infinite, Eternal, Unchangeable in His Being, Wisdom, Power, Holiness, Justice, Goodness and Truth. He need not compromise one attribute at the expense of another. He is Almighty God. Anyone interested in God's historical dealings with this state might want to see http://covenanter.org/JRWillson/tokens.htm 'Tokens of the Divine Displeasure, in the Late Conflagrations in New-York, & other Judgments Illustrated' I read it for the first time in 2008, it was written by a New-York, RP Minister, a faithful and true witness; yet not perfect and sinless. All of Adam's sons, now in the second Adam can understand David in Psalm 51 . Christ is our Righteousness and only hope. Pastor Willson served his generation and mine. Praise ye the Lord. Psalm 90:11-17
Jim Lincoln wrote: as Spurgeon pointed out, '...the State Church, which the great reformers had planted, and which some of them had watered with their blood, presented the spectacle which went far to justify the sarcasm of an eminent writer, that she possessed "A Popish Liturgy, a Calvinistic Creed, and an Arminian Clergy."'
This is not true. The great reformers never planted Prelacy they were vowed against it. There may be some truth in your statement about Prelacy, but it is mixed with a lie. I know of no true martyr who died defending the Anglican Church, but rather the contrary, the Covenanters were executed by the Prelates and the perfidious house of Stewart and there 'brethren' all looked the other way. The prefidious Independents vowed and did not pay, acting against a sect in the Scottish Military that violated there vows; Cromwell gained the upper hand executed the king having lied to the Scottish army. He then turned on the Scottish Presbyterians. Spurgeon as an Englsihman was also under vows to God as the posterity of the Covenanting Puritans who together with Independents and Congregationalists vowed and did not pay. Now that is a serious moral violation, because it is against God. Jim, you need to read some older history books