"The federal government is now $13 trillion in the red, the Treasury Department reported Wednesday, marking the first time the government has sunk that far into debt and putting a sharp point on the spending debate on Capitol Hill. Calculated down to the exact penny, the debt totaled $13,050,826,460,886.97 ....."
I noticed no one had posted on this little news item, so I thought it would be good for your indigestion to have it highlighted.
"Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto: "In God is our trust." And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave"
WOMI wrote: The question is are we guilty in Adam. Has the guilt of Adam's sin imputed unto us? We know that we are guilty of personal sins but does God solidarily see us guilty of the very sin of Adam as our federal head.
If our 'sin/guilt' does not come from Adam/Eve then where does it come from?
If sin/guilt does NOT come from Adam and Eve who were THE human race at that time, albeit all two of them - therefore representative, then that implies that sin stopped with them and did not continue or travel into their posterity, the human race.
BUT 5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me."
The guilt of Adam's sin was imputed and the same spiritual death and corrupt nature with it...... Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as *BY ONE MAN* sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation" 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners"
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in HIS own LIKENESS, after HIS IMAGE; and called his name Seth" Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one."
WOMI wrote: In question form: Did we in Adam receive the consequence or the guilt o original sin?
If all we received was the 'guilt' then we would be sinless.
There needs to be something in the human condition which makes us guilty, and know our guilt, through faith.
"For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
What does the flesh 'contain' which is contrary? If we suggest only 'guilt' then it does not imply that the flesh is spiritually different,(contrary).
Guilt of itself is not the iniquity, it is the result of judgment. If guilt was the iniquity - then Christ would merely have been "guiltless" as opposed to sinless.
In turn God's judgment conveys a knowledge of the intent to become guilty, by an attribute(?) which stems from a form of evil, [identified as the flesh?] contained in the mortal.
Ro 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.