Socialism and its sister (PC) Liberalism got Obama and the Democrats elected. This partially derives from a socialist type immigrant increase in recent decades.

Liberalism is polluting and destroying church and morals in western society.

The establishment versions of 'church' are of course being gradually influenced by Liberalism and have been since the sixties. Their policy is ditch the Bible and keep the sin - eg. homosexuality.

By removing God from the authorship of Scripture - and subsequently blaming Moses and man for the "mythological" parts of Scripture, they remove God and embrace the politically correct religion of modern man.

Liberal idolatry is the worship of man containing the conviction that he is much more educated today therefore better able than previous generations to construct a Bible which does not discriminate against anybody. Viz. All sinners are equal whether they belong to church or not, thus their god receives everybody into heaven.

John UK wrote:
Are you hearing me?

But as the Calvinists and the Puritans always teach and say; It is God who in Sovereignty elects and provides the indwelling Holy Spirit - which makes all the difference between the dead and alive.

As for "loving" John - God commands that we Love our neighbour and our enemy.

"13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

John UK wrote:
You really shouldn't argue against the word of God. That makes you an unbelieving rebel.

I demonstrated that your premise is faulty.

My original statement then stands that YOU cannot tell from the outside who is a true believer or not. Which fact shows that your Baptist hypothesis of so called "Believers Baptism" - Is evidently and obviously flawed.

Perhaps it is time for you to go back to the strong Biblical Christians - the Puritans - and learn the facts.

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John UK wrote:
Observe:
1 John 5:1 KJV
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Question is the Mormon a true Christian according to your premise?
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This is one from the Roman Catholics,
Quote; "but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son." Christ, the Son of God made man, is the Father's one, perfect and unsurpassable Word." Roman Catholic site

The REAL trouble is when idiots like this guy Judd opens his mouth and rumbles about things he knows absolutely nothing whatsoever about.

It is no wonder that politicians are seen to be ignorant and out of touch about society and life when they have advisors like Alan Judd.

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I noticed another article in this link which tells us...

"Newsnight presenter Jeremy Paxman’s use of the term “religious hogwash� to introduce the Biblical book of Genesis was “offensive�, a report by the BBC has acknowledged."

"Mr Paxman also referred to those who hold to a literal belief in the Old Testament as “stupid people�."

Heres one for Jeremy Paxman from God...

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good." Psalm 53.