Jim, you know the petrodollar is losing its numero uno place? military being stripped dry. young people have massive debt for school and few jobs, what else do you want from them? oh hundreds of dollars a month? sometimes God's delay in judgment feels like we are doing well, rather its his mercy to give us another day to repent.
I've known people from there on both sides politically. many have had to leave because they aren't safe, not sure that the gentleman improved things, but the apartheid was awful too. it has always sounded to me like a beautiful country.
decades of purposeful targeted eugenics. why have we embraced this madness? besides the spiritual depravity, and the loss of our children, what future does a people have that make themselves sick, weak and unable to reproduce?
we tell young people they are only animals and cannot control themselves.
but in Christ we have the ability to overcome. imagine a generation who shed the lies for Christ, had the blessing of marriage and children.... waited a few years to live righteously, instead of starting out life with the weight of so much sin (fornication, usery, abortion, chemical addictions)??
I talked with a man involved with abortions. he felt these things, agenda 21 and the gmos are necessary, because people need to be eliminated to save the earth.
the philosophies of the day are bereft of morality and sanity, causing harm.
God's law is just and represents a loving way to deal with others. Its not "me, me, me", its about others, and especially Christ.... He truly is the answer, not destroying the birthright of our own!
when an industry becomes so powerful that it passes laws against its competition -- obamacare being a stellar example -- weakening a people can be a benefit to some, as evidenced by modern history (and I'm assuming all of history). free market only works if those in the markets are held equally accountable to sound law and order.
false paradigm splits the people, where some have this utopian idea of huge gov and some of huge capitalism .... I was reading, and we'll come to see if this is true, that now wall street groups are buying the foreclosed homes in mass to rent out (which will basically be foreign investors being our landlords) and then these investments traded as commodities? just as our home loans were traded as commodities (derivative market) that led to massive loans and the home loan bubble and crash... I have no idea about this to be true or not but wouldn't put it passed anyone, no checks and balances.
this is the ending of the American middle class, a unique experiment in land and ownership
capitalism is at odds with free market
we watch our small farmers lamenting UN dicatates, etc that snuffs out their ability to do small markets, swat teaming milk farmers, ridiculous things like that, while products proven to harm are not scrutizined....
mourner, truly we mourn the darkness of the world, the sorrows, the persecutions, but also, do we not give thanks to Christ in all things, for our salvation is assured? is not joy the fruit of the Spirit? do not even the persecuted, in prison for years enjoy close fellowship with the Lord, is there anything that can separate us from the love of Christ? yes, we grieve and we sorrow, but there is an inner joy that holds firm too, we are overcomers in Christ, no? we musn't let the darkness put out the light in us!
to them, end time prophecy has little to do with the perseverance of the saints, keeping the faith in tribulation, forgiveness of sins and the gospel going to the ends of the earth to "bring in the sheaves" or "to see a great harvest" but rather (because of pop movies) is all about a block of land that will not save, could not, and was never meant to save.
and so election must be dealt with.
and what the Kingdom is. what kingdom were we to build, if its an earthly one, then the martyrs of the ME are collateral damage for a more important work in their scaled eyes.
Neil, you've been having a conversation with me and I can tell you I have never read Aquinas or the other guy you are talking about.
I am only reading the bible -- that's it.
I find it humorous that you keep thinking I've read them, I mean, maybe they just read the same bible I did.
I've looked briefly at catholic natural law because of something given to me... and out of curiosity for evangelicals who think taking abortifacients is ok (obvious lack of teaching on implications of Romans 1) -- but their ideas are steeped in the works based theology, seemed they took the bible leisurely -- and I turned it off.
so I was left with the bible, which is what I thought we were talking about, but it seems you've been talking to me about the philosophical historical perspective of natural law while I've been pulling phrases from Romans 1 like "natural use" and saying, look, this chapter is about "natural use".
I don't need volumes and philosophy to see what Romans 1 plainly says. but you do have my curiosity up about Aquinas.
"Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) "
Hebrews 3 -- if we do not enter into salvation "today", then we shall not enter into our rest.
The disciples had all they needed for salvation before Pentecost, but then they were clothed on high to bring the gospel to the world...
we have all we need, but we still gather together with others for a fresh pouring out of God's grace every week. today is the day of salvation. today I praise the Lord, but I will still meet with belivers for a fresh pouring of God's grace in prayer and bible study. There is something about being obedient to the Spirit that gives us a fresh pouring of grace to do His work. THis is the need of the suffering church. And I believe that God blesses the suffering church in ways that the prosperous church can not understand...
maybe some cannot see the sweeping changes in western society. expect nothing less than a spiritual battle within organized religion.
I remember hearing an interview with lutzer regarding the boy scouts takeover. the journalist asked him if he had considered the fact that these changes are part of a worldwide global movement -- and he hadn't.... I'm not sure our evangelical leaders spiritually understand these societal changes. They've been inoculated with stories of pretrib rapture, fighting wores for racial salvation, and waiting for the next election (don't get the currency system, the fall of the housing market, the alignment with rebels, the survll grid, etc) -- simply they cannot speak on the greatest sweeping changes of society perhaps ever seen, because they do not want to offend, where's the fire for Christ? I wanted to ask him, where you all been?
....and yet there are evangelicals getting eradicated too, and this is a muslem country in which freedom of association is not like ours, the Baptists have pulled out of some difficult areas of the ME leaving the harder work to others to continue. the west is refusing to represent her fellow believers because she is in a far worse state than Syrian Christians.... many, many accounts of believers using many opportunities for Christ's name to be known in this, praise God for the persecuted church.
this link regards Lloyd-Jones teaching on the Baptism of the Spirit, if you are interested.
He taught a separate Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Many examples from preachers that we continue to follow today. The gifts seem to him kind of a secondary thing, what matters is being empowered on high for the sanctified life and evangelism, and warns against focusing on them.
John UK, I have a copy of Lloyd Jones right here, "The Baptism and Gifts of the Holy Spirit" -- he preaches straight from the NT as his basis.
"our greatest danger, I feel today, is to quench the Spirit. This is no age to advocate restraint; the church today does not need to be restrained, but to be aroused, to be awakened, to be filled with a spirit of glory, for she is failing in the modern world." p81
"The baptism with the Spirit is always associated primarily and specifically with witness and testimony and service." p81
the result of not being thankful upon seeing the attributes of God is that Provision from God becomes the object of their worship.
the women changed their "natural use into that which is against nature"
the men, leaving the "natural use"
because they did not retain God in their knowledge (the mind corrupted), they became all these evil things.
yes, a protestant will have a hard time with catholic natural law.... but
scripture here is clear, there is a "natural" function or design that God expects us to follow, and hmsxl is an abomination because it perverts the natural order.
there is a natural order to family as well.
two disembodied souls, however, would not be sinning to fall in love I guess. but God's order is body, spirit, soul. he has yet to create a man who is only mind. we are not spirit beings, we are human beings, both physical and spiritual.
there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust -- Acts 24:15
this is central doctrine, physical resurrection.
Christ is King of all things, its not just about getting our thoughts in order, its how we live, and living with a thankful heart is a huge part of the sanctified life. Happy Thanksgiving!